Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear OpenMoko community, the FSO packaging team of the Debian project[1] is happy to announce that we have started to provide installation procedures and packages required to have your FreeRunner[2] run Debian-powered. Is there a link with the emdebian project ? It is not clear to me what's the real difference between emdebian and what you have done, as I know very few about emdebian after all. Just to get some clarification... but very good job, thank you. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Montag, den 01.09.2008, 14:11 +0200 schrieb Olivier Berger: Is there a link with the emdebian project ? It is not clear to me what's the real difference between emdebian and what you have done, as I know very few about emdebian after all. Just to get some clarification... but very good job, thank you. The url is very creative: http://www.emdebian.org/ :-) emdebian, AFAIK, does * provide cross-compilation * reduces package size by removing documentation * changes some compile options to further reduce package size The last point makes it, in corner cases, problematic to mix with the official archive. Also, emdebian does not cover all of the archive yet. At the moment, emdebian does not support python, because python seems to be hard to cross-compile, therefore we base our system for FreeRunner on the official Debian for now. Eventually, when emdebian can run all the apps that we need (well, python should be the only problem), it will also be able to run the FreeRunner specific package, which by then are in the official archive. I’m sure someone, maybe us, maybe the emdebian guys will provide an installer or image based on emdebian. This will give users the choice between the two. I hope that clarifies some points. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Joachim Breitner wrote: At the moment, emdebian does not support python, because python seems to be hard to cross-compile Hmm - OpenEmbedded has no problems cross-compiling python ... Perhaps it's a bit of NIH rather than hardness ;-) -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Montag, den 01.09.2008, 22:11 +0930 schrieb Rod Whitby: Joachim Breitner wrote: At the moment, emdebian does not support python, because python seems to be hard to cross-compile Hmm - OpenEmbedded has no problems cross-compiling python ... Perhaps it's a bit of NIH rather than hardness ;-) I haven’t looked at it myself, but I was told that OpenEmbedded had to patch upstream python quite a bit. The Emdebian guys are going to see what OpenEmbedded did to make it work, as they want the Openmoko guys as a possible user base as well :-) Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: setup - so use x-ui.sh in the illume svn dir (it runs xephyr for you, sets up some modmappings for qtopia - not interesting on a desktop unless you have a desktop x86 build of the qtopia x11 port, and it runs e with the illume profile). Thanks. With x-ui.sh I get an error which I don't seem to be able to copypaste. Screenshot is at http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/illume-issue1.png The module in question is in /home/lindi/installdir/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/linux-gnu-i686/module.so so I probably need to figure out how to configure E to find it there? as for accessing keyboard. even if you have the manual button, it will be disabled.. if you have a usb keyboard plugged in (yes! that code in illume that detects a physical keyboard like bluetooth and/or usb keyboards plugged in) is working! :) luckily for you... there is a config file for that. you need to put a file in ~/.e/e/keyboards for your desktop to work around it's default setup as to what input devices to ignore (eg ignore build in keyboard interfaces that dont actually provide a real keyboard): 9:42AM ~/.e/e/keyboards cat ignore_built_in_keyboards /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/* so just make a file that has that. you'll notice illume ships with one for the system that is: 9:43AM ~ cat /usr/local/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ignore_built_in_keyboards /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_* so this ignores things like ps/2 and at keyboards, but usb keyboards are removable device style keyboards and thus disable the vkbd :) Ok. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:19:07 +0300 Timo Juhani Lindfors [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 1. colors. what's up with your colors? are you on ppc? the 16bit engine assumes identical endianess to the host (for x) and doesnt do any proper changes. 2. looks like you installed illume, but its deifnitely not installed the same place e is installed :) do you have more than 1 install of e? did u install e17 in /opte17 or /usr and install illume with a different prefix? Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: setup - so use x-ui.sh in the illume svn dir (it runs xephyr for you, sets up some modmappings for qtopia - not interesting on a desktop unless you have a desktop x86 build of the qtopia x11 port, and it runs e with the illume profile). Thanks. With x-ui.sh I get an error which I don't seem to be able to copypaste. Screenshot is at http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/illume-issue1.png The module in question is in /home/lindi/installdir/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/linux-gnu-i686/module.so so I probably need to figure out how to configure E to find it there? as for accessing keyboard. even if you have the manual button, it will be disabled.. if you have a usb keyboard plugged in (yes! that code in illume that detects a physical keyboard like bluetooth and/or usb keyboards plugged in) is working! :) luckily for you... there is a config file for that. you need to put a file in ~/.e/e/keyboards for your desktop to work around it's default setup as to what input devices to ignore (eg ignore build in keyboard interfaces that dont actually provide a real keyboard): 9:42AM ~/.e/e/keyboards cat ignore_built_in_keyboards /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/* so just make a file that has that. you'll notice illume ships with one for the system that is: 9:43AM ~ cat /usr/local/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ignore_built_in_keyboards /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_* so this ignores things like ps/2 and at keyboards, but usb keyboards are removable device style keyboards and thus disable the vkbd :) Ok. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. colors. what's up with your colors? are you on ppc? the 16bit engine assumes identical endianess to the host (for x) and doesnt do any proper changes. x86 in debian unstable chroot. 2. looks like you installed illume, but its deifnitely not installed the same place e is installed :) do you have more than 1 install of e? did u install e17 in /opte17 or /usr and install illume with a different prefix? illume and e svn should both be installed to /home/lindi/installdir. I also removed my normal e17 debian package. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:53:10 +0300 Timo Juhani Lindfors [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. colors. what's up with your colors? are you on ppc? the 16bit engine assumes identical endianess to the host (for x) and doesnt do any proper changes. x86 in debian unstable chroot. 2. looks like you installed illume, but its deifnitely not installed the same place e is installed :) do you have more than 1 install of e? did u install e17 in /opte17 or /usr and install illume with a different prefix? illume and e svn should both be installed to /home/lindi/installdir. I also removed my normal e17 debian package. something is up.. somewhere. you'll need to dig a bit - like find out just where illume installed stuff and where all of e installed itself and modules and what differs - it could be that arch/os was detected differently by the autofoo - it shouldn't be - for me its always consistent - in oe's build process too. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Attached is another version of cofigure-uboot.sh. This version can 'only' be run from inside booted freerunner (requires fso-utils which debian already has). Maybe, the choice of external execution or execution from inside debian be a parameter to the scriptbut I am just too lazy :) --Vikas On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:18 AM, Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 22:31 +0200 schrieb arne anka: The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. Correct. The pkg-fso feed works both on i386 and armel, and the fso-utils package makes also sense on i386, for the remote flashing. It maybe also works from the phone itself (see the unused uboot stage of install.sh), but I had weird problems. Bold people with a craze for debugging are welcome to make that work. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeatahttp://people.debian.org/%7Enomeata ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community configure-uboot.sh Description: Bourne shell script ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Is there an ETA on illume being packaged? Is there anything that can be done to help? On Saturday 16 August 2008 10:14:24 Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Samstag, den 16.08.2008, 11:22 +0200 schrieb arne anka: So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read: recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :) i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to be able to use the phone part. at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone only presents that four predefined buttons. Until we can package Illume, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between application. Greetings, Joachim -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Am Mittwoch 20 August 2008 16:33:54 schrieb Daniel Benoy: Is there an ETA on illume being packaged? Is there anything that can be done to help? On Saturday 16 August 2008 10:14:24 Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Samstag, den 16.08.2008, 11:22 +0200 schrieb arne anka: So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read: recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :) i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to be able to use the phone part. at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone only presents that four predefined buttons. Until we can package Illume, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between application. Greetings, Joachim raster said he would maybe do it after moving e to svn - and also, that it wouldn't be too hard. But at least I couldn't get a proper e environment set up here :) Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
What is e exactly? It's a window manager or something right? And it's not available in svn yet so it's hard to package up? On Wednesday 20 August 2008 10:48:23 Marcel wrote: Am Mittwoch 20 August 2008 16:33:54 schrieb Daniel Benoy: Is there an ETA on illume being packaged? Is there anything that can be done to help? On Saturday 16 August 2008 10:14:24 Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Samstag, den 16.08.2008, 11:22 +0200 schrieb arne anka: So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read: recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :) i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to be able to use the phone part. at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone only presents that four predefined buttons. Until we can package Illume, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between application. Greetings, Joachim raster said he would maybe do it after moving e to svn - and also, that it wouldn't be too hard. But at least I couldn't get a proper e environment set up here :) Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, [Cc'ing to illume author.] Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there an ETA on illume being packaged? Is there anything that can be done to help? I compiled e17 svn head and illume using http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide/Installing_Using_CVS on my debian unstable chroot but Configuration - Modules - Illume - Load Module just prints SEGMENTATION FAULT Have you managed to get compile illume? GDB shows that it crashes at #0 0xb7ac8d1a in e_dbus_message_send (conn=0x0, msg=0x814ef20, cb_return=0xb7ac8c30 cb_method_call, timeout=-1, data=0x0) at e_dbus_message.c:70 #1 0xb7ac8dd9 in e_dbus_method_call_send (conn=0x0, msg=0x814ef20, unmarshal_func=0, cb_func=0, free_func=0, timeout=-1, data=0x0) at e_dbus_message.c:115 #2 0xb6e6180d in _system_req_state (state=0xb6e74809 on) at e_pwr.c:87 #3 0xb6e6161a in e_pwr_init () at e_pwr.c:27 #4 0xb6e550ca in e_modapi_init (m=0x821d220) at e_mod_main.c:46 #5 0x080ae7a6 in e_module_enable (m=0x821d220) at e_module.c:265 #6 0x080f0236 in _mod_hash_load (hash=0x85c37e0, key=0x85c3e68 illume, data=0x85c3ea8, fdata=0x0) at e_int_config_modules.c:642 #7 0xb7c1a0e3 in evas_hash_foreach (hash=0x85c37e0, func=0x80f0200 _mod_hash_load, fdata=0x0) at evas_hash.c:459 #8 0x080ef778 in _enable_modules (enable=1) at e_int_config_modules.c:624 #9 0x080f0129 in _btn_cb_load (data=0x8339480, data2=0x0) at e_int_config_modules.c:594 #10 0x080d8689 in _e_wid_activate_hook (obj=0x86d2c20) at e_widget_button.c:164 #11 0xb7ecad39 in edje_match_callback_exec (ppat_signal=0x86de4b8, ppat_source=0x86de098, signal=0x86dd2f8 e,action,click, source=0x8232610 , callbacks=0x86bded0, ed=0x86d2e60) at edje_match.c:393 #12 0xb7ebf26c in _edje_emit_handle (ed=0x86d2e60, sig=0x86dd2f8 e,action,click, src=0x8232610 ) at edje_program.c:1009 #13 0xb7ec8df2 in _edje_message_process (em=0x8802a18) at edje_message_queue.c:548 #14 0xb7ec9567 in _edje_message_queue_process () at edje_message_queue.c:623 #15 0xb7ec9653 in _edje_job (data=0x0) at edje_message_queue.c:108 #16 0xb7eec752 in _ecore_job_event_handler (data=0x0, type=15, ev=0x873ed58) at ecore_job.c:104 #17 0xb7aa793d in _ecore_event_call () at ecore_events.c:429 #18 0xb7aaea95 in _ecore_main_loop_iterate_internal (once_only=0) at ecore_main.c:680 #19 0xb7aaecaf in ecore_main_loop_begin () at ecore_main.c:87 #20 0x0806db62 in main (argc=1, argv=0xbfaa9804) at e_main.c:941 probably because of Error connecting to bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused My unstable chroot does not have access to dbus outside chroot. After sudo mount -o bind /var/run/dbus /sid/var/run/dbus I don't see a crash but I can't figure out how to access the keyboard. Is there some hotkey to activate it? best regards, Timo Lindfors ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
configuring uboot from the phone Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 20.08.2008, 19:30 +0530 schrieb Vikas Saurabh: Attached is another version of cofigure-uboot.sh. This version can 'only' be run from inside booted freerunner (requires fso-utils which debian already has). Maybe, the choice of external execution or execution from inside debian be a parameter to the scriptbut I am just too lazy :) I have had this code already in the installer script, but had problems when testing it: uBoot seemed to be confused by the environment, sometimes it read garbage instead of the first few bytes (the rest was ok). So please test Vikas script, if it works reliably for you. If noone has problems, I’d prefer this method integrated into the installation over the remote one. Thanks, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
I just installed debian on my new 8gb micro sd card. I changed the filesystem to ext3 after partitioning and i also changed the fstab to ext3. But now when i boot i get some warning messages that the ext3 filesystem is mounted as ext2. What else must i change so that the system knows its ext3 and doesn't complain about it? The installation works quite well without any problems so far. Now i see the X screen after my first boot. So far so good. :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I changed the filesystem to ext3 after partitioning and i also changed the fstab to ext3. My guess is that the kernel does not have ext3 support. It is not properly packaged yet so I can't check /boot/config-`uname -r` to make sure though. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
After it boots up the root filesystem is mounted as ext3 how i specified it in the fstab. So it seems that only while booting something is not configured right. Maybe i could ignore this message, but i would be happier if this message doesn't apper. :) Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I changed the filesystem to ext3 after partitioning and i also changed the fstab to ext3. My guess is that the kernel does not have ext3 support. It is not properly packaged yet so I can't check /boot/config-`uname -r` to make sure though. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:50:57 +0300 Timo Juhani Lindfors [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: ok. oops. missed 1 check for system conn. fixed in svn. (segv). as for trynig illume - you ALSO want the illume profile and thus initial config setup - so use x-ui.sh in the illume svn dir (it runs xephyr for you, sets up some modmappings for qtopia - not interesting on a desktop unless you have a desktop x86 build of the qtopia x11 port, and it runs e with the illume profile). as for accessing keyboard. even if you have the manual button, it will be disabled.. if you have a usb keyboard plugged in (yes! that code in illume that detects a physical keyboard like bluetooth and/or usb keyboards plugged in) is working! :) luckily for you... there is a config file for that. you need to put a file in ~/.e/e/keyboards for your desktop to work around it's default setup as to what input devices to ignore (eg ignore build in keyboard interfaces that dont actually provide a real keyboard): 9:42AM ~/.e/e/keyboards cat ignore_built_in_keyboards /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/* so just make a file that has that. you'll notice illume ships with one for the system that is: 9:43AM ~ cat /usr/local/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ignore_built_in_keyboards /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_* so this ignores things like ps/2 and at keyboards, but usb keyboards are removable device style keyboards and thus disable the vkbd :) Hi, [Cc'ing to illume author.] Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there an ETA on illume being packaged? Is there anything that can be done to help? I compiled e17 svn head and illume using http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide/Installing_Using_CVS on my debian unstable chroot but Configuration - Modules - Illume - Load Module just prints SEGMENTATION FAULT Have you managed to get compile illume? GDB shows that it crashes at #0 0xb7ac8d1a in e_dbus_message_send (conn=0x0, msg=0x814ef20, #cb_return=0xb7ac8c30 cb_method_call, timeout=-1, data=0x0) at #e_dbus_message.c:70 1 0xb7ac8dd9 in e_dbus_method_call_send (conn=0x0, #msg=0x814ef20, unmarshal_func=0, cb_func=0, free_func=0, timeout=-1, #data=0x0) at e_dbus_message.c:115 2 0xb6e6180d in _system_req_state #(state=0xb6e74809 on) at e_pwr.c:87 3 0xb6e6161a in e_pwr_init () at #e_pwr.c:27 4 0xb6e550ca in e_modapi_init (m=0x821d220) at e_mod_main.c:46 #5 0x080ae7a6 in e_module_enable (m=0x821d220) at e_module.c:265 6 #0x080f0236 in _mod_hash_load (hash=0x85c37e0, key=0x85c3e68 illume, #data=0x85c3ea8, fdata=0x0) at e_int_config_modules.c:642 7 0xb7c1a0e3 in #evas_hash_foreach (hash=0x85c37e0, func=0x80f0200 _mod_hash_load, #fdata=0x0) at evas_hash.c:459 8 0x080ef778 in _enable_modules (enable=1) at #e_int_config_modules.c:624 9 0x080f0129 in _btn_cb_load (data=0x8339480, #data2=0x0) at e_int_config_modules.c:594 10 0x080d8689 in #_e_wid_activate_hook (obj=0x86d2c20) at e_widget_button.c:164 11 0xb7ecad39 #in edje_match_callback_exec (ppat_signal=0x86de4b8, ppat_source=0x86de098, #signal=0x86dd2f8 e,action,click, source=0x8232610 , callbacks=0x86bded0, #ed=0x86d2e60) at edje_match.c:393 12 0xb7ebf26c in _edje_emit_handle #(ed=0x86d2e60, sig=0x86dd2f8 e,action,click, src=0x8232610 ) at #edje_program.c:1009 13 0xb7ec8df2 in _edje_message_process (em=0x8802a18) at #edje_message_queue.c:548 14 0xb7ec9567 in _edje_message_queue_process () at #edje_message_queue.c:623 15 0xb7ec9653 in _edje_job (data=0x0) at #edje_message_queue.c:108 16 0xb7eec752 in _ecore_job_event_handler #(data=0x0, type=15, ev=0x873ed58) at ecore_job.c:104 17 0xb7aa793d in #_ecore_event_call () at ecore_events.c:429 18 0xb7aaea95 in #_ecore_main_loop_iterate_internal (once_only=0) at ecore_main.c:680 19 #0xb7aaecaf in ecore_main_loop_begin () at ecore_main.c:87 20 0x0806db62 in #main (argc=1, argv=0xbfaa9804) at e_main.c:941 probably because of Error connecting to bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused My unstable chroot does not have access to dbus outside chroot. After sudo mount -o bind /var/run/dbus /sid/var/run/dbus I don't see a crash but I can't figure out how to access the keyboard. Is there some hotkey to activate it? best regards, Timo Lindfors -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Ok i fixed it myself. After reading the Booting from sd card wiki article i managed to install new boot menu entries. One additional for vfat+ext3 and one for ext2+ext3 boot combinations. Now i don't get anymore messages for wrong fs type. :) My xfce is running and now i'm testing the patched input method with the right mouse key which seems to work nicely. :) The only thing i'm missing is how i setup the screensaver method. I want the brightness to dim and after some time to lock the screen like on 2007.2. Anyone know how to do this? At the moment the screen is always in full brightness, which isn't very battery friendly. ;) Ciao, Rainer Fox Mulder wrote: I just installed debian on my new 8gb micro sd card. I changed the filesystem to ext3 after partitioning and i also changed the fstab to ext3. But now when i boot i get some warning messages that the ext3 filesystem is mounted as ext2. What else must i change so that the system knows its ext3 and doesn't complain about it? The installation works quite well without any problems so far. Now i see the X screen after my first boot. So far so good. :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, . Illume needs the latest enlightment libraries, so we can package it as soon as the next e snapshot enters Debian. This will happen after the CVS→SVN change of e, AFAIK. Until then, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between application. This is all a Debian user needs, right :-) And then there will be a Window manager? and the above quick and easy system will be gone?? I suppose it is a waste of the Aux button, but compared with Debian startup on the GTA01 it is a wonderful new world. clare (who really likes the simple and primitive - and fast) Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
the FSO packaging team of the Debian project[1] is happy to announce that we have started to provide installation procedures and packages required to have your FreeRunner[2] run Debian-powered. This is really great news! Hooray for Debian rescuing us from the Freerunner dilemna! ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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PLEASE do not try to improve it . i was not talking about improvements but fixes - recognizing aeo as AltGr is not easy - up/down/left/right are not easily recognizable (at ^, , i expect the respective char to be printed) - at least the extendend keyboard prints every time ? when hitting the ? key, egardles the shift state and (wen holding shift) displaying /. the xml clearly shows /, too. still it doesn't work dunno why these bugs appear, the matchbox-keyboard from 2007.2 does not have them. but the working keyboard.xml from 2007.2 kills the matchbox-keyboard of fso/debian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi Has someone tried to install debian through qtopia? For me, running script stops at the moment, when it prints: E: Qtopia wants to continually access /media/card. You need to stop it with 'killall qpe' and then restart installation! That command restarts x (am I right?), but does not resolve the problem, which appears once again, and again, and.. Any idea how to stop Qtopia from accesing sd card? Greetings! http://www.qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=856forum=16 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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wp wrote: Hi Has someone tried to install debian through qtopia? For me, running script stops at the moment, when it prints: E: Qtopia wants to continually access /media/card. You need to stop it with 'killall qpe' and then restart installation! That command restarts x (am I right?), but does not resolve the problem, which appears once again, and again, and.. Any idea how to stop Qtopia from accesing sd card? I ssh'd into the FR and did /etc/init.d/qpe stop Then installed debian as per the instructions. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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The PIN input seems to hang the phone: you need to run this patch and restart: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/90#comment:2 To install it you need to install package patch I had my apt-get segfaulting on install or upgrade, for example: debian-gta02:~# apt-get install gpsd tangogps Reading package lists... Done Segmentation faulty tree... 50% debian-gta02:~# You solve this by rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin - but for some reason it seems to be segfaulting soon again, but I was able to install nano and patch and now this GPS stuff So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read: recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :) r On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Am Samstag, den 16.08.2008, 05:12 +0300 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: I was able to install it, not a big deal (though you have to read the wiki page carefully). thanks for trying it. If you think you can make the wiki pager clearer in some way, feel free to just fix it. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim Breitner e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.joachim-breitner.de ICQ#: 74513189 Jabber-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read: recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :) i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to be able to use the phone part. at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone only presents that four predefined buttons. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:22 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read: recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :) i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to be able to use the phone part. at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone only presents that four predefined buttons. .. let me know if you find it out. Installing gdm and xfce4 would take approx 85 megs, I only have 70 left after the installation on my kit-512MB card (didn't wanto to empty 8GB one - especially when there's been some sdhc io-reports..) so can't try it yet. Any smaller alternatives that would make sense. General window manager and a menu would be a good start and yes, being able to use phone apps as well. -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:31:22 +0300 Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:22 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read: recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :) i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to be able to use the phone part. at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone only presents that four predefined buttons. .. let me know if you find it out. Installing gdm and xfce4 would take approx 85 megs, I only have 70 left after the installation on my kit-512MB card (didn't wanto to empty 8GB one - especially when there's been some sdhc io-reports..) so can't try it yet. i actually runs on my 8GB sdhdc card and have no problems (excluding problem with missing partition table after some time ...) Any smaller alternatives that would make sense. General window manager and a menu would be a good start and yes, being able to use phone apps as well. XFCE4 would be nice alternative ... but using it by hands (without stylus) would be IMHO pain full ... -- Dariusz Łuksza [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi I just received my FR and I have installed 2008.8 and now Debian. I installed vfat/ext. No problem during the installation :) The interface is very very nice, the only problem I have is that when I try to launch the dialed, the phone freeze for two minutes! :) I installed aptitude so I will keep my system (eh... phone) updated. Keep up this great work! Joachim Breitner wrote: Dear OpenMoko community, the FSO packaging team of the Debian project[1] is happy to announce that we have started to provide installation procedures and packages required to have your FreeRunner[2] run Debian-powered. This means that you can use your favorite tools such as apt-get and the other 20.000 packages on your FreeRunner, including the freesmartphone.org[3] software stack. You can also develop applications for your FreeRunner the “Debian way”. To install Debian onto your MicroSD card, alongside your current Image on the internal Flash, see the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner These will provide you with a minimal Debian installation plus everything required to use zhone. From there on, you are free to modify your system as you wish – with the full power and flexibility of the Debian system. Note that Debian does not try provide yet another software stack (or “Distribution” in the OpenMoko slang) next to 2007.2, 2008.8 or FSO, but rather an alternative base, comparable to OpenEmbedded[3]. We are looking forward to also support other stacks such as the Stable Hybrid Release[4], once they are ready for that. All this is still very new and was created during at the DebConf 8 in Mar de Plata since last week. This means that there are still bugs and other things to improve. You are invited to join the development by subscribing to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list that the Debian team shares with the FSO team. There is also a wiki page[6] with more information on the pkg-fso team, including a TODO section. I’d like to thank Jon “maddog” Hall from Koolu[7] for lending me an additional device for installation tests, and all the other testers at DebConf and elsewhere that helped us to remove at least some of the bugs. But don’t worry – I’m sure there are some bugs left for you! Please send replies and further discussion to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list, but note that you have to subscribe to that list first. Enjoy! Joachim Breitner on behalf of the pkg-fso team: Philipp Kern Jan Lübbe Luca Capello [1] http://www.debian.org [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner [3] http://wiki.openembedded.net/ [4] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release [5] http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards [6] http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-fso [7] http://www.koolu.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIprPQSIAU/I6SkT0RAvbHAJ0S7yr9JEoKODnCwfqsdu4gWFnpfwCdEl+r ipsVAgUOuQekV3qWpMoO3Ro= =FM7J -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Am Samstag 16 August 2008 12:38:59 schrieb Dariusz Łuksza: On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:31:22 +0300 Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:22 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read: recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :) i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to be able to use the phone part. at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone only presents that four predefined buttons. .. let me know if you find it out. Installing gdm and xfce4 would take approx 85 megs, I only have 70 left after the installation on my kit-512MB card (didn't wanto to empty 8GB one - especially when there's been some sdhc io-reports..) so can't try it yet. i actually runs on my 8GB sdhdc card and have no problems (excluding problem with missing partition table after some time ...) Any smaller alternatives that would make sense. General window manager and a menu would be a good start and yes, being able to use phone apps as well. XFCE4 would be nice alternative ... but using it by hands (without stylus) would be IMHO pain full ... What about Illume? Has it already been packaged for Debian? (Can't look it up now, my installation just boots atm) I agree that using real desktop window managers on the neo isn't a good idea... f.e. the taskbar wouldn't work well on the portrait-oriented screen. -Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:04:03 +0200 Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Samstag 16 August 2008 12:38:59 schrieb Dariusz Łuksza: On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:31:22 +0300 Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:22 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read: recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :) i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to be able to use the phone part. at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone only presents that four predefined buttons. .. let me know if you find it out. Installing gdm and xfce4 would take approx 85 megs, I only have 70 left after the installation on my kit-512MB card (didn't wanto to empty 8GB one - especially when there's been some sdhc io-reports..) so can't try it yet. i actually runs on my 8GB sdhdc card and have no problems (excluding problem with missing partition table after some time ...) Any smaller alternatives that would make sense. General window manager and a menu would be a good start and yes, being able to use phone apps as well. XFCE4 would be nice alternative ... but using it by hands (without stylus) would be IMHO pain full ... What about Illume? Has it already been packaged for Debian? (Can't look it up now, my installation just boots atm) I agree that using real desktop window managers on the neo isn't a good idea... f.e. the taskbar wouldn't work well on the portrait-oriented screen. illume is a module for e. e is in debian experimental right now, so as such it'd be a tiny stretch to use/add it. i intend to support illume formally as part of e soon enough, so it'd be viable and give you all the things you need/want. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Installation went fine without any problems here. But I can't give in my pin :( It's not related to this bug: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/90 , but just to make sure I applied the patch but it doesn't solve my problem. If I push the first number nothing happens. But if I push the second number the first and second are printed at the same time. This makes giving in the pin pretty hard. There seems to be a problem with some buffer. The same problem doesn't exists on the plain FSO image so it seems to be related to the debian one. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Rorschach wrote: Installation went fine without any problems here. But I can't give in my pin :( It's not related to this bug: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/90 , but just to make sure I applied the patch but it doesn't solve my problem. If I push the first number nothing happens. But if I push the second number the first and second are printed at the same time. This makes giving in the pin pretty hard. There seems to be a problem with some buffer. The same problem doesn't exists on the plain FSO image so it seems to be related to the debian one. I have a similar problem running Debain FSO, but in the dialer. The first number does not appear until I press the second. The symptom is reversed when I delete number. thatis, the fist and second numbers entered are deleted at the same time. Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:16:58 +1000 Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a similar problem running Debain FSO, but in the dialer. The first number does not appear until I press the second. The symptom is reversed when I delete number. thatis, the fist and second numbers entered are deleted at the same time. Yes, exactly the same thing happens for me! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am Samstag 16 August 2008 14:29:53 schrieb Rorschach: On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:16:58 +1000 Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a similar problem running Debain FSO, but in the dialer. The first number does not appear until I press the second. The symptom is reversed when I delete number. thatis, the fist and second numbers entered are deleted at the same time. Yes, exactly the same thing happens for me! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Isn't this a known bug of FSO/zhone? At least it was, can't find it on trac.freesmartphone.org... Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Rorschach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:16:58 +1000 Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a similar problem running Debain FSO, but in the dialer. The first number does not appear until I press the second. The symptom is reversed when I delete number. thatis, the fist and second numbers entered are deleted at the same time. Yes, exactly the same thing happens for me! I have a variation of this at least when I first tried Debian: PIN was ok but when I started writing the phone number (044..), when I pressed the first 0, I got two. When I pressed backspace, it removed both. Other numbers were ok. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, Am Samstag, den 16.08.2008, 21:10 +1000 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:04:03 +0200 Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: What about Illume? Has it already been packaged for Debian? (Can't look it up now, my installation just boots atm) I agree that using real desktop window managers on the neo isn't a good idea... f.e. the taskbar wouldn't work well on the portrait-oriented screen. illume is a module for e. e is in debian experimental right now, so as such it'd be a tiny stretch to use/add it. i intend to support illume formally as part of e soon enough, so it'd be viable and give you all the things you need/want. Illume needs the latest enlightment libraries, so we can package it as soon as the next e snapshot enters Debian. This will happen after the CVS→SVN change of e, AFAIK. Until then, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between application. This is all a Debian user needs, right :-) Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, Am Samstag, den 16.08.2008, 11:22 +0200 schrieb arne anka: So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read: recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :) i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to be able to use the phone part. at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone only presents that four predefined buttons. Until we can package Illume, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between application. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
The problem is in FSO ( see Michael's post re evas.) The workaround is to precede the number with a few backspaces clare On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Rorschach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:16:58 +1000 Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a similar problem running Debain FSO, but in the dialer. The first number does not appear until I press the second. The symptom is reversed when I delete number. thatis, the fist and second numbers entered are deleted at the same time. Yes, exactly the same thing happens for me! I have a variation of this at least when I first tried Debian: PIN was ok but when I started writing the phone number (044..), when I pressed the first 0, I got two. When I pressed backspace, it removed both. Other numbers were ok. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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OK it was my fault - I used an old uboot version. Now I bought a 4 GB sd card updated uboot and tried again - now it works perfectly. Thx Michael On Friday 15 August 2008 23:25:35 Michael Tansella wrote: That looks good. Please start NAND uboot and select Boot, then you should be able to read an error message that might help us here, although you have to read fast. OK it's a little bit too fast I'll try to record it with my webcam... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Until then, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between application. This is all a Debian user needs, right :-) as long as the keyboard is fully functional ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Risto H. Kurppa, 2008-08-16 12:31:22 +0300 : On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:22 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read: recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :) i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to be able to use the phone part. at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone only presents that four predefined buttons. .. let me know if you find it out. Installing gdm and xfce4 would take approx 85 megs, I only have 70 left after the installation on my kit-512MB card (didn't wanto to empty 8GB one - especially when there's been some sdhc io-reports..) so can't try it yet. Hints to free up some space: - Remove /usr/share/man - Remove /usr/share/doc - Remove unneeded directories in /usr/share/locale/ (mine now contains only the English variants, plus French) The files in there will reappear if you reinstall or upgrade packages, so this is only a temporary trick. Nice results, though: debian-gta02:~# df -h / FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on rootfs462M 287M 151M 66% / debian-gta02:~# Still not small enough to fit into NAND flash, unfortunately. Roland. -- Roland Mas C r ' s d a ue ell r a u i r . -- Signatures à collectionner, série n°1, partie 1/3. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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install localepurge to keep unwanted locales trimmed - Remove unneeded directories in /usr/share/locale/ (mine now contains only the English variants, plus French) The files in there will reappear if you reinstall or upgrade packages, so this is only a temporary trick. Nice results, though: -- Craig Allen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 1:02 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until then, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between application. This is all a Debian user needs, right :-) as long as the keyboard is fully functional ... It is beautiful, simply highlights what you press. doesn't jump it up, predict or otherwise interfere with your typing. PLEASE do not try to improve it . clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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thanks godness, it's weekend! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
As a heads up to everyone, this may not work with an SDHC card. u-boot (to the best of my knowledge) doesn't support SDHC, even though the linux kernel does. So when u-boot goes to read the FAT filesystem and load in the kernel, it fails. One thing that might work (Although it may mess you up in terms of kernel modules and such?) is setting up u-boot to load the kernel from flash (which you use with your openembedded openmoko distribution) and then pointing the kernel command line toward your SDHC Debian root partition. To do this, you will have to boot up u-boot with the prompt. Press and hold the power button, and THEN (after, not before) press and hold the AUX button.. and hold them until you see the the boot prompt. Then connect a USB cable, and if your PC has the right drivers, you should have access to a serial port, such as /dev/ttyACM0 which you can connect to, in order to get a u-boot command line. These commands should get you started: printenv setenv saveenv Notice the menu_# variables. You'll want to make a hybrid which boots exactly the same as internal flash (taking the kernel from flash) except that the root=xyz paramater will be different. I suggest that someone make up a wiki article explaining how to do this while they're figuring it out. (I've already had to do it once myself) On Friday 15 August 2008 12:04:03 Joachim Breitner wrote: Dear OpenMoko community, the FSO packaging team of the Debian project[1] is happy to announce that we have started to provide installation procedures and packages required to have your FreeRunner[2] run Debian-powered. This means that you can use your favorite tools such as apt-get and the other 20.000 packages on your FreeRunner, including the freesmartphone.org[3] software stack. You can also develop applications for your FreeRunner the “Debian way”. To install Debian onto your MicroSD card, alongside your current Image on the internal Flash, see the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner These will provide you with a minimal Debian installation plus everything required to use zhone. From there on, you are free to modify your system as you wish – with the full power and flexibility of the Debian system. Note that Debian does not try provide yet another software stack (or “Distribution” in the OpenMoko slang) next to 2007.2, 2008.8 or FSO, but rather an alternative base, comparable to OpenEmbedded[3]. We are looking forward to also support other stacks such as the Stable Hybrid Release[4], once they are ready for that. All this is still very new and was created during at the DebConf 8 in Mar de Plata since last week. This means that there are still bugs and other things to improve. You are invited to join the development by subscribing to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list that the Debian team shares with the FSO team. There is also a wiki page[6] with more information on the pkg-fso team, including a TODO section. I’d like to thank Jon “maddog” Hall from Koolu[7] for lending me an additional device for installation tests, and all the other testers at DebConf and elsewhere that helped us to remove at least some of the bugs. But don’t worry – I’m sure there are some bugs left for you! Please send replies and further discussion to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list, but note that you have to subscribe to that list first. Enjoy! Joachim Breitner on behalf of the pkg-fso team: Philipp Kern Jan Lübbe Luca Capello [1] http://www.debian.org [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner [3] http://wiki.openembedded.net/ [4] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release [5] http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards [6] http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-fso [7] http://www.koolu.com/ -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Ah, this seems to have more information. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Boot_from_SDHC It says 'u-boot from 2008-07-23 or later' will boot from SDHC. On Friday 15 August 2008 13:41:19 Daniel Benoy wrote: As a heads up to everyone, this may not work with an SDHC card. u-boot (to the best of my knowledge) doesn't support SDHC, even though the linux kernel does. So when u-boot goes to read the FAT filesystem and load in the kernel, it fails. One thing that might work (Although it may mess you up in terms of kernel modules and such?) is setting up u-boot to load the kernel from flash (which you use with your openembedded openmoko distribution) and then pointing the kernel command line toward your SDHC Debian root partition. To do this, you will have to boot up u-boot with the prompt. Press and hold the power button, and THEN (after, not before) press and hold the AUX button.. and hold them until you see the the boot prompt. Then connect a USB cable, and if your PC has the right drivers, you should have access to a serial port, such as /dev/ttyACM0 which you can connect to, in order to get a u-boot command line. These commands should get you started: printenv setenv saveenv Notice the menu_# variables. You'll want to make a hybrid which boots exactly the same as internal flash (taking the kernel from flash) except that the root=xyz paramater will be different. I suggest that someone make up a wiki article explaining how to do this while they're figuring it out. (I've already had to do it once myself) On Friday 15 August 2008 12:04:03 Joachim Breitner wrote: Dear OpenMoko community, the FSO packaging team of the Debian project[1] is happy to announce that we have started to provide installation procedures and packages required to have your FreeRunner[2] run Debian-powered. This means that you can use your favorite tools such as apt-get and the other 20.000 packages on your FreeRunner, including the freesmartphone.org[3] software stack. You can also develop applications for your FreeRunner the “Debian way”. To install Debian onto your MicroSD card, alongside your current Image on the internal Flash, see the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner These will provide you with a minimal Debian installation plus everything required to use zhone. From there on, you are free to modify your system as you wish – with the full power and flexibility of the Debian system. Note that Debian does not try provide yet another software stack (or “Distribution” in the OpenMoko slang) next to 2007.2, 2008.8 or FSO, but rather an alternative base, comparable to OpenEmbedded[3]. We are looking forward to also support other stacks such as the Stable Hybrid Release[4], once they are ready for that. All this is still very new and was created during at the DebConf 8 in Mar de Plata since last week. This means that there are still bugs and other things to improve. You are invited to join the development by subscribing to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list that the Debian team shares with the FSO team. There is also a wiki page[6] with more information on the pkg-fso team, including a TODO section. I’d like to thank Jon “maddog” Hall from Koolu[7] for lending me an additional device for installation tests, and all the other testers at DebConf and elsewhere that helped us to remove at least some of the bugs. But don’t worry – I’m sure there are some bugs left for you! Please send replies and further discussion to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list, but note that you have to subscribe to that list first. Enjoy! Joachim Breitner on behalf of the pkg-fso team: Philipp Kern Jan Lübbe Luca Capello [1] http://www.debian.org [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner [3] http://wiki.openembedded.net/ [4] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release [5] http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards [6] http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-fso [7] http://www.koolu.com/ -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
The installation works without any problems, but i get the following error when I try to use the skript (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner) for adjusting the uboot environment: Dumping current uboot environment dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Resetting USB... Opening USB Device... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=9, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 Merging debian menu entries into uboot environment ./configure-uboot.sh: line 80: uboot-envedit: command not found Where can I get uboot-envedit ? Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
part of fso-utils package thus apt-get install fso-utils if you have all needed repositories added to your sources.list On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Michael Tansella wrote: The installation works without any problems, but i get the following error when I try to use the skript (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner) for adjusting the uboot environment: Dumping current uboot environment dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Resetting USB... Opening USB Device... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=9, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 Merging debian menu entries into uboot environment ./configure-uboot.sh: line 80: uboot-envedit: command not found Where can I get uboot-envedit ? Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 21:34 +0200 schrieb Michael Tansella: The installation works without any problems, but i get the following error when I try to use the skript (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner) for adjusting the uboot environment: Dumping current uboot environment dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Resetting USB... Opening USB Device... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=9, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 Merging debian menu entries into uboot environment ./configure-uboot.sh: line 80: uboot-envedit: command not found Where can I get uboot-envedit ? Sorry, that should be added to the wiki (wanna do that? :-) It’s in the fso-utils packages that is provided by the pkg-fso feed mentioned on the wiki page (or the ./envedit.pl script in the devirginator sources, if that’s easier to find :-)) Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Friday 15 August 2008 22:02:09 Joachim Breitner wrote: Sorry, that should be added to the wiki (wanna do that? :-) It’s in the fso-utils packages that is provided by the pkg-fso feed mentioned on the wiki page (or the ./envedit.pl script in the devirginator sources, if that’s easier to find :-)) Greetings, Joachim The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? The wiki page is secured so I cannot add anything. Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 22:31 +0200 schrieb arne anka: The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. Correct. The pkg-fso feed works both on i386 and armel, and the fso-utils package makes also sense on i386, for the remote flashing. It maybe also works from the phone itself (see the unused “uboot” stage of install.sh), but I had weird problems. Bold people with a craze for debugging are welcome to make that work. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:31:11 +0200 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. no, they are for using it from openmoko. i try use it on my desktop and get an error: E: System is not claiming to be an armv4tl. Are you sure that this is your Openmoko FreeRunner (GTA02)? -- Dariusz Łuksza [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Friday 15 August 2008 22:31:11 arne anka wrote: the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. Thanx that was it. But at the end I wasn't successful anyway. Now when I reboot I see first the Openmoko splash then a white screen then a short vibration and the Openmoko splash again ... If I chose boot from Flash 2008.08 starts correct. I got the following messages when using the script for adjusting the uBoot environment : Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=43, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14 dfuERROR, clearing status Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 bytes_per_hash=5242 Starting download: [##] finished! state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Done! Done modifying uboot environment Any idea? Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. no, they are for using it from openmoko. i try use it on my desktop and get an error: please specify! E: System is not claiming to be an armv4tl. Are you sure that this is your Openmoko FreeRunner (GTA02)? well, you're apparently speaking of something else. the fso-utils package from the apt-lines given in the debian-wiki resolve to x86 and amd64. which lines are you using? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 22:53 +0200 schrieb Michael Tansella: On Friday 15 August 2008 22:31:11 arne anka wrote: the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. Thanx that was it. But at the end I wasn't successful anyway. Now when I reboot I see first the Openmoko splash then a white screen then a short vibration and the Openmoko splash again ... If I chose boot from Flash 2008.08 starts correct. I got the following messages when using the script for adjusting the uBoot environment : Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=43, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14 dfuERROR, clearing status Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 bytes_per_hash=5242 Starting download: [##] finished! state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Done! Done modifying uboot environment That looks good. Please start NAND uboot and select Boot, then you should be able to read an error message that might help us here, although you have to read fast. Greetings, Jochim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
what amount of space is required? due to problems with my 4 gig card (i/o errors because of a bug in openmoko) i use a 512mb card that shipped w/ the fr and right now in debian stage tha card is at it's limit: about 430mb, ~10 left. i will remove the content of /var/cache/apt/archives and /var/cache/bootstrap which should release about 150mb -- but will that cause problems afterwards? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
That looks good. Please start NAND uboot and select Boot, then you should be able to read an error message that might help us here, although you have to read fast. OK it's a little bit too fast I'll try to record it with my webcam... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 23:18 +0200 schrieb arne anka: what amount of space is required? due to problems with my 4 gig card (i/o errors because of a bug in openmoko) i use a 512mb card that shipped w/ the fr and right now in debian stage tha card is at it's limit: about 430mb, ~10 left. i will remove the content of /var/cache/apt/archives and /var/cache/bootstrap which should release about 150mb -- but will that cause problems afterwards? The installation should work fine with 512MB (although it’s a close call). But of course if you want to install more stuff later, you need to do good housekeeping. Greetins, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:58:10 +0200 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. no, they are for using it from openmoko. i try use it on my desktop and get an error: please specify! E: System is not claiming to be an armv4tl. Are you sure that this is your Openmoko FreeRunner (GTA02)? well, you're apparently speaking of something else. the fso-utils package from the apt-lines given in the debian-wiki resolve to x86 and amd64. which lines are you using? i try install debian for FreeRunner on my desktop (which is running under gentoo) on flash card, and get such error, maybe there is some miss understanding of problem case. -- Dariusz Łuksza [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 23:52 +0200 schrieb Dariusz Łuksza: On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:58:10 +0200 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E: System is not claiming to be an armv4tl. Are you sure that this is your Openmoko FreeRunner (GTA02)? well, you're apparently speaking of something else. the fso-utils package from the apt-lines given in the debian-wiki resolve to x86 and amd64. i try install debian for FreeRunner on my desktop (which is running under gentoo) on flash card, and get such error, maybe there is some miss understanding of problem case. Sorry, this is not supported by the script, it’s meant to be ran on an image running on the phone. http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.txt.gismo has some notes on installing it on your desktop, but of course a lot has to be done manually. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
I was able to install it, not a big deal (though you have to read the wiki page carefully). Thank you for this, I'm sure more will follow - for some reason I trust now on debian and 2007.2. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Samstag, den 16.08.2008, 05:12 +0300 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: I was able to install it, not a big deal (though you have to read the wiki page carefully). thanks for trying it. If you think you can make the wiki pager clearer in some way, feel free to just fix it. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim Breitner e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.joachim-breitner.de ICQ#: 74513189 Jabber-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
