Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
On 3/1/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get mplayer, and compile. This is playable with only the software codecs, no windows dlls are involved at all. (or at least it worked with them moved out of the usual place) As to why I picked it - I don't know offhand the switches to make mencoder output ogg. I don't even own a windows box. As far as I can tell, there is no inbuilt ogm multiplexing or ogg audio encoding for mencoder yet, and even then, the format of choice IMHO would be an mkv container, mpeg4 video (either mencoder/ffmpeg's lavc or xvid) and ogg audio. I'll be one happy man when I can do that with 1 mencoder command, and not a script to encode audio separately and multiplex a video segment with an audio segment. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
I added the price breakdown from the presentation to the Wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_much.3F
-Steven
On 2/27/07, Igor Foox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/26/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ole Tange wrote:
I had hoped there was video coverage of the event. When I found out
there was not I asked one of the better seated persons to record the
event using my pocket camera. I have yet to see if the recording is
acceptable.
What is the easiest way to distribute the video?
Thanks to Ole and SpeedEvil (on IRC), the FOSDEM talk is now on
video.google.com - search for openmoko and you'll find it.
Can anyone who was present at FOSDEM tell the rest of us what the
pricing options for the Neo are? There is a slide in the video where
Sean talks about the pricing for the {Regular,Car Kit, Hacker's
Lunchbox} and the included accessories, but he never says the price
outloud, and alas the slides are incomprehensible. :P
Thanks,
Igor
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Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Steven ** wrote:
I added the price breakdown from the presentation to the Wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_much.3F
I uploaded to rapidshare http://rapidshare.com/files/18781887/rect.avi
which is a better encoding of the video - 66M, but with most of the
larger text visible.
With the screen and a little bit to the right of it only.
-Steven
On 2/27/07, Igor Foox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/26/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ole Tange wrote:
I had hoped there was video coverage of the event. When I found
out
there was not I asked one of the better seated persons to
record the
event using my pocket camera. I have yet to see if the
recording is
acceptable.
What is the easiest way to distribute the video?
Thanks to Ole and SpeedEvil (on IRC), the FOSDEM talk is now on
video.google.com - search for openmoko and you'll find it.
Can anyone who was present at FOSDEM tell the rest of us what the
pricing options for the Neo are? There is a slide in the video where
Sean talks about the pricing for the {Regular,Car Kit, Hacker's
Lunchbox} and the included accessories, but he never says the price
outloud, and alas the slides are incomprehensible. :P
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Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 12:45 +, Ian Stirling a écrit : snip I uploaded to rapidshare http://rapidshare.com/files/18781887/rect.avi which is a better encoding of the video - 66M, but with most of the larger text visible. With the screen and a little bit to the right of it only. snip Why not use an open format (.ogg) rather than proprietary one (.avi)? Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
kkr wrote: Why not use an open format (.ogg) rather than proprietary one (.avi)? Regards, Really not trying to start a fight here. But more players support avi than ogg. Therefore I agree with the choice. Open formats and standards are great when they stand on their own merits. Not that ogg isn't better, but the goal is to spread information, therefore we want the most people to be able to view the video. Bottom line is open standards aren't better just because they are open standards. I can't believe this argument comes up even on which video codec is used... No wonder mailing lists can be scary to new comers. All of that to say. They guy did something positive. You criticized. Why should he want to help you in the future? Instead of complaining, re-encode into ogg with your own time and resources and let people have the CHOICE of what they want to use. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
kkr wrote: Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 12:44 -0600, Jonathon Suggs a écrit : kkr wrote: Why not use an open format (.ogg) rather than proprietary one (.avi)? It was not a criticism, only a question! If you felt it as such a criticism, I'm sorry... If I've asked it, it's only: - FOSDEM use too ogg format - because on my linux, I'm unable (yet) to see avi Why? Get mplayer, and compile. This is playable with only the software codecs, no windows dlls are involved at all. (or at least it worked with them moved out of the usual place) As to why I picked it - I don't know offhand the switches to make mencoder output ogg. I don't even own a windows box. (well, strictly speaking, I do have a windows 98 installation on a 15GB disk that was sort-of-working when I put it in a cupboard the best part of a decade ago) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 08:32:38 Rod Whitby wrote: With consumer electronics, you either buy now with the feature set you know at the price you know (and not complain when a better feature set is announced at a lower price the next day), or you wait forever as announcement after announcement of new features keeps you waiting ... There's a big difference between a major feature I really want and some incremental upgrade that while nice is not that important to myself. the other thing everybody wants (if I'm right in thinking what it is and since most seem to share my view of what it is ...) is of the first category to myself. OTOH, I would not care that much for an upgrade of RAM just now... pgpXY4OW1ZlxC.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Rod Whitby schrieb: denis wrote: Paul Bonser schrieb: Sean already said that they will be giving some sort of discount on the v2 phone for those who buy the v1 phone... I know that. But what is the discount? Is it 20% or 50%? I won't buy a phone from which I know there will be a better version available 6 months later. There will *always* be a better phone available 6 months later. With consumer electronics, you either buy now with the feature set you know at the price you know (and not complain when a better feature set is announced at a lower price the next day), or you wait forever as announcement after announcement of new features keeps you waiting ... -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Subject: Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com Date: Tue 27 Feb 07 09:07:37AM +0100 Quoting denis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. I think this pretty sums up the reason why we are more interested in Sean's effort than in Nokia's next release. Carlo -- * Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da parte, * K * Carlo E. Prelz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] che bisogno ci sarebbe * di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine? (Chuang-Tzu) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 09:07, denis wrote: Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. Yeah. I think it is really great that they are so open about these things. At least this way everybody has a choice - either use the simulator to develop your apps, and buy the phone after the hardware upgrade (yes, after they add WIFI, motion detectors, stereo mics, multi-point touch screen and a heart-rate monitor), or if you can afford it, buy one early and upgrade later-on at a reduced price. Any other company would just release the updated phone 2 weeks after you bought yours, and wouldn't offer a trade-in deal... Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Richard Bennett schrieb: On Tuesday 27 February 2007 09:07, denis wrote: Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. Yeah. I think it is really great that they are so open about these things. At least this way everybody has a choice - either use the simulator to develop your apps, and buy the phone after the hardware upgrade (yes, after they add WIFI, motion detectors, stereo mics, multi-point touch screen and a heart-rate monitor), or if you can afford it, buy one early and upgrade later-on at a reduced price. Any other company would just release the updated phone 2 weeks after you bought yours, and wouldn't offer a trade-in deal... Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility for FIC. I don't understand why it is so important to keep the things secret. At the moment I don't see much difference to a normal hardware producer. But let us wait and see if there will be some more details about v2 in the next time. I've decided to wait untill the 4-5 devices are announced and I get to know the specs. Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
denis wrote: Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. I haven't seen Nokia do it. But Handspring / Palm / PalmOne / Access (whatever their Name de Jour is) has been doing this for sometime with the current round of Treos. Very frustrating indeed. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
On 2/26/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ole Tange wrote:
I had hoped there was video coverage of the event. When I found out
there was not I asked one of the better seated persons to record the
event using my pocket camera. I have yet to see if the recording is
acceptable.
What is the easiest way to distribute the video?
Thanks to Ole and SpeedEvil (on IRC), the FOSDEM talk is now on
video.google.com - search for openmoko and you'll find it.
Can anyone who was present at FOSDEM tell the rest of us what the
pricing options for the Neo are? There is a slide in the video where
Sean talks about the pricing for the {Regular,Car Kit, Hacker's
Lunchbox} and the included accessories, but he never says the price
outloud, and alas the slides are incomprehensible. :P
Thanks,
Igor
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Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
If I remember well, the price for the regular device was US$350 and for
the hacker's lunchbox $US200. I don't remember exactly the price of the
car kit, I think it was around US$50
In the Open Embedded booth they had a Neo1973 that I could play with
for around 5 mins!!! Here's my first experience/feedback:
Hardware:
The design is similar to the images we have seen in the web. This one
was white with the orange edge. The only difference was that it said
Nomad instead of Neo1973 below de screen... I couldn't see the
internal board. The mini USB was connected to a laptop, they told me not
to unplug-it otherwise bad things could happen so I stayed close to the
laptop.
Software:
Although the device was not completely functional, I was able to use the
Contacts app and a shell. The UI is beautiful, quite clean and simple,
with the 3 areas well identified: top panel, bottom panel and the
central fullscreen app. The look feel was not yet as the imgs we
have seen in the web, if you have used Matchbox before, you could
realize that it was running there. The performance while navigating
through the folders was really good, the touchscreen was very
responsive!
The contacts software, similar to evolution (not sure if it was
evolution) worked quite well, I was able to add a test user without
any problem (of course, with the help of a stylus that the guy next to
me gave me, thanks!) Only the app start-up was not very fast.
Then, I opened a shell and could entered some commands, this was not
that easy because the virtual keyboard is very very small. I could type
top, uname, had a look at /proc... Of course, X was the must
resource-hungry process (DirectFB came to my mind ;). The kernel running
there was a 2.6.17.
The overall experience was quite good, the device is great!!! Since I
was just able to use a couple of apps, I got worried about the
availability of the others, so I asked Sean if they were on-time for the
March launch and he said that he was confident with the dates!
Regarding the presentation, you can view it at google video and make
your own idea about it, although the slides are not clear. Sean is very
enthusiast and convinced about his ideas and you can perceive it easily,
the whole presentation was very charged with this! Mickey was very clear
and precise too! From the technical point of view, the most important
thing was that OpenMoko provides the _building blocks_ and a _set of
rules_ for creating a new paradigm. Of course, these two things are open
source, so you can create/modified your own blocks/rules and potentially
creating new apps and devices. However, the most important thing, as
Sean said, was the slide regarding their business model, this answered a
lot of questions.
--
Pedro Aguilar
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 11:26 -0500, Igor Foox wrote:
On 2/26/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ole Tange wrote:
I had hoped there was video coverage of the event. When I found out
there was not I asked one of the better seated persons to record the
event using my pocket camera. I have yet to see if the recording is
acceptable.
What is the easiest way to distribute the video?
Thanks to Ole and SpeedEvil (on IRC), the FOSDEM talk is now on
video.google.com - search for openmoko and you'll find it.
Can anyone who was present at FOSDEM tell the rest of us what the
pricing options for the Neo are? There is a slide in the video where
Sean talks about the pricing for the {Regular,Car Kit, Hacker's
Lunchbox} and the included accessories, but he never says the price
outloud, and alas the slides are incomprehensible. :P
Thanks,
Igor
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Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Am Dienstag, 27. Februar 2007 17:43 schrieb Pedro Aguilar: I don't remember exactly the price of the car kit, I think it was around US$50 I think it was US$70, and includes the GSM antenna. Oleg. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 10:52 +0100, denis wrote: Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility for FIC. But if we can't deliver for some reason it would have the inverse effect. Please understand I'm not doing this to irritate you guys, we just don't want to commit on something that we cannot deliver. I don't understand why it is so important to keep the things secret. At the moment I don't see much difference to a normal hardware producer. Thanks for letting us know your opinion. Sorry you feel this way, but there's nothing we can do. But let us wait and see if there will be some more details about v2 in the next time. I've decided to wait untill the 4-5 devices are announced and I get to know the specs. Most of these devices are _not_ phones. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Richard Bennett schrieb: On Monday 26 February 2007 13:20, Rod Whitby wrote: Ole Tange wrote: I had hoped there was video coverage of the event. When I found out there was not I asked one of the better seated persons to record the event using my pocket camera. I have yet to see if the recording is acceptable. What is the easiest way to distribute the video? Thanks to Ole and SpeedEvil (on IRC), the FOSDEM talk is now on video.google.com - search for openmoko and you'll find it. One interesting thing is said at 30:20. Food for speculation... Would they really add *that* so late in the process? Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Yeah that is indeed really interesting. From my point of view it would be fair to keep the community informed about the features that will be added in that v2 of the Neo before selling the developement version. Even a developer will not really be amused about buying two phones in 6 month. Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
denis wrote: Paul Bonser schrieb: Sean already said that they will be giving some sort of discount on the v2 phone for those who buy the v1 phone... I know that. But what is the discount? Is it 20% or 50%? I won't buy a phone from which I know there will be a better version available 6 months later. There will *always* be a better phone available 6 months later. With consumer electronics, you either buy now with the feature set you know at the price you know (and not complain when a better feature set is announced at a lower price the next day), or you wait forever as announcement after announcement of new features keeps you waiting ... -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
