Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-26 Thread Dominik Smogór
I'm happy to be associated with a project that wants to be able to tinker with even the tinest little part of every bit of the code. This goes hand in hand with open standards. No one will stop you from loading whatever plugins become available. But I for one don't want to pay the Adobe

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-23 Thread Peter A Trotter
On 22/03/07, Dossy Shiobara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007.03.22, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am obviously not against open source, but this religious stuff is like the Taliban. Hank, I think you just invoked Godwin's Law 2.0. -- Dossy Hehe, that's my favourite. Zero to

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
Gnash would probably be of no interest to any shipping a commercial product as the GPL license of it will conflict with enabling mp3 and flash video support. swfdec is LGPL though so as long as the mp3 and flash video support comes from external libraries it will be fine. Christian On Wed,

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Steven **
How does the GPL prevent mp3 and flash video support? -Steven On 3/22/07, Christian F.K. Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnash would probably be of no interest to any shipping a commercial product as the GPL license of it will conflict with enabling mp3 and flash video support. swfdec is

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Frank de Lange
Steven ** wrote: How does the GPL prevent mp3 and flash video support? -Steven On 3/22/07, Christian F.K. Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnash would probably be of no interest to any shipping a commercial product as the GPL license of it will conflict with enabling mp3 and flash video

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Nils Faerber
Christian F.K. Schaller schrieb: Gnash would probably be of no interest to any shipping a commercial product as the GPL license of it will conflict with enabling mp3 and flash video support. swfdec is LGPL though so as long as the mp3 and flash video support comes from external libraries it

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Edwin Lock
I have flash on my nokia 770, that works fine and its an ARM9 if I'm correct? So why not use the implementation that nokia has? It works just fine for me.. Greetings, Edwin Lock ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
Hi Nils, Been discussing this with various organizations over the last few years as part of working with distributions and embedded makers and the response of most lawyers involved is that they don't think the combination of non-free GStreamer plugin + LGPL GStreamer framework + GPL application is

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
Sure, if you are making this device and only targeting areas where the patents do not apply then its fine. But FIC for instance I assume will try to ship their products in US/Canada/Australia and large parts of Europe where patents on these things are in effect. See my reply to Nils for a more

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia czwartek, 22 marca 2007, Edwin Lock napisał: I have flash on my nokia 770, that works fine and its an ARM9 if I'm correct? So why not use the implementation that nokia has? It works just fine for me.. Nokia paid to have Flash on Nokia 770/n800. You can't use it on other devices without

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Brad Pitcher
The reason we can't do that is because that's proprietary flash built into opera-mini. We don't want either of those in OpenMoko. -Brad On 3/22/07, Edwin Lock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have flash on my nokia 770, that works fine and its an ARM9 if I'm correct? So why not use the

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread hank williams
The flash situation is interesting. I spend a large part of my time doing flash development, and the pervasiveness and importance of the flash platform creates a really serious problem with the religious perspective about everything openmoko being open source. Flash is a critical element of the

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Brad Pitcher
On 3/22/07, Edwin Lock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you say we don't want... you really mean YOU don't want... Correct. Thank you for the clarification. I'm all for using open source software (obviously since I am on the maillist and going to get the Neo). But I'm not going to

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Philippe De Swert
Hi, First of all I do not intend to flame you. So no hard feelings towards you. However there are some important points regarding flash that lots of people tend to ignore. The flash situation is interesting. I spend a large part of my time doing flash development, and the pervasiveness and

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Henryk Plötz
Moin, Am Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:31:03 -0400 schrieb hank williams: As I see it, not having a real version of flash makes openmoko much less disruptively competitive than it might otherwise be. Developing apps with flash really allows for the creation of much more sophisticated software much

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread hank williams
On 3/22/07, Philippe De Swert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, First of all I do not intend to flame you. So no hard feelings towards you. However there are some important points regarding flash that lots of people tend to ignore. So you admit being one of those evil people that make websites

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread hank williams
On 3/22/07, Henryk Plötz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moin, Am Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:31:03 -0400 schrieb hank williams: As I see it, not having a real version of flash makes openmoko much less disruptively competitive than it might otherwise be. Developing apps with flash really allows for the

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread esw
So this is exactly what Adobe wanted. They have a group of dedicated users like Hank who demand flash support. And they also hold all the marbles when it comes to bringing flash to a particular platform. Manufacturers such as Nokia are/feel forced to provide flash on their internet tablet, and

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2007.03.22, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am obviously not against open source, but this religious stuff is like the Taliban. Hank, I think you just invoked Godwin's Law 2.0. -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Philippe De Swert
Hi, First of all apologies for my webmail client who broke the threading. I am at home now where I do not need it, so hopefully this will be respected now. On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 13:28 -0400, hank williams wrote: So you admit being one of those evil people that make

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 22 March 2007 17:33, hank williams wrote: On 3/22/07, Henryk Plötz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moin, Am Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:31:03 -0400 schrieb hank williams: As I see it, not having a real version of flash makes openmoko much less disruptively competitive than it might

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-21 Thread Ole Tange
On 3/19/07, Frank de Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you want Flash use Gnash. At FOSDEM I had a chat with Rob Savoye. He is one of the lead Gnash developers. He was very interested in porting Gnash to the Neo1973. If you want to help him join the Gnash project. /Ole

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-21 Thread Brad Pitcher
Or swfdec would be nice. The latest version supports YouTube videos. :) Regardless which free flash player is used, it will need to be made to work with minimo. Minimo still doesn't have an interface for installing extensions as of now, but it seems that extensions can be made for minimo and

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-19 Thread Martin Raißle
As far as I know there is not even an adobe flashplayer for amd64 on linux .. why should there be one for ARM ? In addition the adobe flashplayer is not free .. maybe we use swfdec or gnash .. of course they do not have the same funtionality but they will do the job :) martin

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-19 Thread Frank de Lange
Martin Raißle wrote: As far as I know there is not even an adobe flashplayer for amd64 on linux .. why should there be one for ARM ? In addition the adobe flashplayer is not free .. maybe we use swfdec or gnash .. of course they do not have the same funtionality but they will do the job :) And