RE: Hardware update
So, if it doesn't cause too much trouble, may you describe these reasons? Or is there anything on the wiki? (Sorry I cannot check it myself right now.) Daniel On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:39:58 -0700, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FreeRunner uses a 500 Mhz CPU. The board design is rated to 400 Mhz. So, if people check CPU processing specs they will see 500MHz. Operationally, we limit it to 400 Mhz. For a varety of reasons. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pfeiffer Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:43 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Hardware update Alexander Frøyseth writes: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? I've never heard any projection that openmoko was ever going to run on 400 or 500 MHz -- in fact, I'd never heard of that GSM band, and googled to find it! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
It was on the list a few weeks ago - the main reason is the ram divisor - clocking the cpu higher means clocking the ram lower, means lowering the total throughput. So it's a question of requirements. Lowering the ramclock for having the cpu at a higher speed is not worth it. Another point is the power consumption at 500 MHz. Not worth it, too. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Daniel Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if it doesn't cause too much trouble, may you describe these reasons? Or is there anything on the wiki? (Sorry I cannot check it myself right now.) Daniel On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:39:58 -0700, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FreeRunner uses a 500 Mhz CPU. The board design is rated to 400 Mhz. So, if people check CPU processing specs they will see 500MHz. Operationally, we limit it to 400 Mhz. For a varety of reasons. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pfeiffer Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:43 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Hardware update Alexander Frøyseth writes: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? I've never heard any projection that openmoko was ever going to run on 400 or 500 MHz -- in fact, I'd never heard of that GSM band, and googled to find it! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from 62.159.37.130 [62.159.37.130] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:03:53 +0200 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I see. Thank you! On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 16:24:53 +0200, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was on the list a few weeks ago - the main reason is the ram divisor - clocking the cpu higher means clocking the ram lower, means lowering the total throughput. So it's a question of requirements. Lowering the ramclock for having the cpu at a higher speed is not worth it. Another point is the power consumption at 500 MHz. Not worth it, too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Hardware update
The reasons are twofold. 1. The board was designed to operate at 400MHZ. It was designed to run at 400Mhz because the CPU we chose was rated at 400MHz. So running faster than 400MHZ is NOT within the design spec. The phone will ship with a 500MHZ processor because that is what we can buy. Simple. we ordered 400 MHZ. we designed to 400Mhz, and the part we can physically purchase is 500MHZ. So, if I say its 400MHZ and somebody checks the chip, they will say HEY it's 500MHZ and if I say its 500MHZ and somebody checks the speed it runs at they will say HEY its 400 Mhz 2. Even if I could run it at 500Mhz the battery life would suffer. So. We designed it to run at 400. All the cpus are rated at 500. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Spies Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:01 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: Hardware update So, if it doesn't cause too much trouble, may you describe these reasons? Or is there anything on the wiki? (Sorry I cannot check it myself right now.) Daniel On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:39:58 -0700, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FreeRunner uses a 500 Mhz CPU. The board design is rated to 400 Mhz. So, if people check CPU processing specs they will see 500MHz. Operationally, we limit it to 400 Mhz. For a varety of reasons. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pfeiffer Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:43 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Hardware update Alexander Frøyseth writes: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? I've never heard any projection that openmoko was ever going to run on 400 or 500 MHz -- in fact, I'd never heard of that GSM band, and googled to find it! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
Thank you for that post. This clear things up a bit. steve skrev: The reasons are twofold. 1. The board was designed to operate at 400MHZ. It was designed to run at 400Mhz because the CPU we chose was rated at 400MHz. So running faster than 400MHZ is NOT within the design spec. The phone will ship with a 500MHZ processor because that is what we can buy. Simple. we ordered 400 MHZ. we designed to 400Mhz, and the part we can physically purchase is 500MHZ. So, if I say its 400MHZ and somebody checks the chip, they will say HEY it's 500MHZ and if I say its 500MHZ and somebody checks the speed it runs at they will say HEY its 400 Mhz 2. Even if I could run it at 500Mhz the battery life would suffer. So. We designed it to run at 400. All the cpus are rated at 500. Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
Hi Steven, It is my understanding that this is the intention, but I haven't yet received positive confirmation. I'll try to get an answer soon. Michael Steven Kurylo wrote: PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within the next few days. A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they are mass producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time. Are they being produced at the same time or will we have to wait a few months for the second version? Thank you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
All 850 and 900 Mhz versions are being produced at the same time. -Sean Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Steven, It is my understanding that this is the intention, but I haven't yet received positive confirmation. I'll try to get an answer soon. Michael Steven Kurylo wrote: PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within the next few days. A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they are mass producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time. Are they being produced at the same time or will we have to wait a few months for the second version? Thank you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Hardware update
The FreeRunner uses a 500 Mhz CPU. The board design is rated to 400 Mhz. So, if people check CPU processing specs they will see 500MHz. Operationally, we limit it to 400 Mhz. For a varety of reasons. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pfeiffer Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:43 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Hardware update Alexander Frøyseth writes: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? I've never heard any projection that openmoko was ever going to run on 400 or 500 MHz -- in fact, I'd never heard of that GSM band, and googled to find it! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
Am Mo 7. April 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo: PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within the next few days. A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they are mass producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time. Are they being produced at the same time or will we have to wait a few months for the second version? Thank you. -- Steven Kurylo AFAIK, PVT is done for an equal amount of 850MHz and 900MHz devices. Also think I remember some statement saying start of purchase is same day worldwide. HTH jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
Soo I can choose from 400/500 MHz and 850/900 MHz when I buy the phone? Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Am Mo 7. April 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo: PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within the next few days. A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they are mass producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time. Are they being produced at the same time or will we have to wait a few months for the second version? Thank you. -- Steven Kurylo AFAIK, PVT is done for an equal amount of 850MHz and 900MHz devices. Also think I remember some statement saying start of purchase is same day worldwide. HTH jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
No, you can chose between 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 MHz. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soo I can choose from 400/500 MHz and 850/900 MHz when I buy the phone? Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Am Mo 7. April 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo: PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within the next few days. A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they are mass producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time. Are they being produced at the same time or will we have to wait a few months for the second version? Thank you. -- Steven Kurylo AFAIK, PVT is done for an equal amount of 850MHz and 900MHz devices. Also think I remember some statement saying start of purchase is same day worldwide. HTH jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? or? thomasg skrev: No, you can chose between 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 MHz. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soo I can choose from 400/500 MHz and 850/900 MHz when I buy the phone? Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Am Mo 7. April 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo: PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within the next few days. A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they are mass producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time. Are they being produced at the same time or will we have to wait a few months for the second version? Thank you. -- Steven Kurylo AFAIK, PVT is done for an equal amount of 850MHz and 900MHz devices. Also think I remember some statement saying start of purchase is same day worldwide. HTH jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
It never was, from what I recall. The original plan was for a quad-band phone, but due to manufacturing issues, they ended up needing to do two tri-band phones. -- Jacob Thebault-Spieker Cell: (207) 717-5114 Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? or? thomasg skrev: No, you can chose between 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 MHz. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soo I can choose from 400/500 MHz and 850/900 MHz when I buy the phone? Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Am Mo 7. April 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo: PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within the next few days. A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they are mass producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time. Are they being produced at the same time or will we have to wait a few months for the second version? Thank you. -- Steven Kurylo AFAIK, PVT is done for an equal amount of 850MHz and 900MHz devices. Also think I remember some statement saying start of purchase is same day worldwide. HTH jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? I think you're confusing concepts. We're talking cellular bands. Are you talking 400/500 cpu frequency? -- Steven Kurylo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
Okey Now I feel pretty stupid When I am hearing MHz I am thinking CPU and not GSM xD Hehe Sorry about that Jacob Thebault-Spieker skrev: It never was, from what I recall. The original plan was for a quad-band phone, but due to manufacturing issues, they ended up needing to do two tri-band phones. -- Jacob Thebault-Spieker Cell: (207) 717-5114 Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? or? thomasg skrev: No, you can chose between 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 MHz. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soo I can choose from 400/500 MHz and 850/900 MHz when I buy the phone? Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Am Mo 7. April 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo: PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within the next few days. A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they are mass producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time. Are they being produced at the same time or will we have to wait a few months for the second version? Thank you. -- Steven Kurylo AFAIK, PVT is done for an equal amount of 850MHz and 900MHz devices. Also think I remember some statement saying start of purchase is same day worldwide. HTH jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
Alexander Frøyseth writes: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? I've never heard any projection that openmoko was ever going to run on 400 or 500 MHz -- in fact, I'd never heard of that GSM band, and googled to find it! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
Yes xD I discovered for some minutes ago. I feel pretty stupid xD Sorry for that. Steven Kurylo skrev: On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? I think you're confusing concepts. We're talking cellular bands. Are you talking 400/500 cpu frequency? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
Alexander Frøyseth wrote on 04/07/2008 09:20 PM: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? or? thomasg skrev: No, you can chose between 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 MHz. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soo I can choose from 400/500 MHz and 850/900 MHz when I buy the phone? Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Am Mo 7. April 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo: PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within the next few days. A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they are mass producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time. Are they being produced at the same time or will we have to wait a few months for the second version? Thank you. -- Steven Kurylo AFAIK, PVT is done for an equal amount of 850MHz and 900MHz devices. Also think I remember some statement saying start of purchase is same day worldwide. HTH jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I think you're mixing up the CPU frequenzy with the frequenzy the GSM chip uses! 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 MHz concerns the GSM chip on the Neo (to connect to your telephone provider) and 400MHz is the Speed of the CPU! _ Georg ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
Alexander Frøyseth wrote on 04/07/2008 09:44 PM: Yes xD I discovered for some minutes ago. I feel pretty stupid xD Sorry for that. Steven Kurylo skrev: On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? I think you're confusing concepts. We're talking cellular bands. Are you talking 400/500 cpu frequency? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Don't worry, you're not the first one.. There've been some others who posted about the same thing to the list some time ago.. _Georg ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
