Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
Hi Tobias, Just wanted to say thank you. Great idea ! Greetings, Steven -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Introducing-http%3A--www.opkg.org-tp1321934p1351330.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
very good work, many thanks On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: [...] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
I just updated the site. More information is available here: http://www.opkg.org/posting_1.html On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:08, Tick Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rod, Your points are very true. Actually, we have a lot of discussion about these internally. When I am trying to create the community repository, we meet some issues. There were some open issues. 1. Dependency: * Wrong/None Dependency The accuracy of dependency really matters. * Out of date: It is very hard to find out if the package is out of date or not. * Different ABI: Some people may release packages with different toolchain, and this may cause many difficult problem, and sometimes very hard to find out. 2. Security issues: When we got a package, we will need to take a look of it's source code, and make sure the package is not harmful. For those very good projects, I'd love/encourage to put them into feeds of our build system, and so that they will having less above problems. We want to provide a platform that everyone can share whatever they want to share legally, and also what shared through Openmoko should be workable and runs well at least on Openmoko's Om2008.8. Therefore, we have community repository to put these packages. I realize that, creating a BB file and building system with OE, sometimes is a high barrier from interaction with many developers. (Thanks mokoMakefile, it indeed helps a lot of people.) Many developers actually do not care about how the whole system built, they just want to develop what they are interested in. (And they should not have to worry about other issues) Therefore we provide meta-toolchain. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain. For those projects, developers may just want to pack their own packages and release. Other some may be data, themes... etc. If they are good enough and work well on current system, I'd love to put them into community repository. I also encourage developers create their own bb files, and so that it can be build by our build system, and even be ported to many machine very easily. That way they can promote their own brain-child greatly. We also know there are many many ebullient hackers wants to release their own distributions/repository. We love that. And we want to create an easy way for them to release and promote their repositories. But for those repositories, we cannot guarantee those are compatible for our distribution. Hackers will need to take care of that themselves. To summarize: If my info were not wrong or outdated. There *will* be three ways to release packages/repositories through Openmoko. 1. Through our build system, hackers provides (or ask us (but we are lazy)) bb files and put them into OE. 2. University repository: Putting packages that satisfy the following conditions: a. Open source, and legal. (If they were execuable files, GPL License is prefered.) b. Runs well on our distribution(s). c. Do no evil. If we found any package does not satisfy any above conditions, we will remove that immediately. 3. Multiverse repository: Putting packages of repositories. Let people download those packages and adding repositories. (Above is unfinished yet, I need to push someone to do this more.) Praise on Tobias's work. It's really a very good way to find out useful packages. This web site can be the best collection of useful packages (for Searching). It can also becomes one of the best community repository. If it maintains well. We do very happy to see this, and appreciate. Cheers, Tick On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:43:14PM +1030, Rod Whitby wrote: Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/10/12 Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. great stuff, found some interesting things there already would you be interested in turning it into a true repository? with an entry for the .conf file for opkg? It really is a sad commentary on the state of official Openmoko repositories that this question is even asked. The state of affairs *should* be that you just get the application name from opkg.org, and then type opkg install name on whatever distribution you are running (or select the application name from the GUI installer application on the device) and it installs flawlessly from the official feeds for that distribution. Have we all given up on that scenario (which is commonplace in other community projects) and must resort to even more third-party repositories which do nothing more than mirror bits and pieces of all the existing disparate repositories? Please, let's make this the best site for *finding* new applications and deciding which ones to install, but hook it into the existing repositories and improve them instead of creating yet more repositories to confuse people, become out of date, and cause upgrade nightmares when they are not consistent with the base images
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just updated the site. More information is available here: http://www.opkg.org/posting_1.html Thanks for the RSS's and other updates. Can you still link the OPKG logo to take the user to the front page, at the moment it's not a link. Thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
Wanted to do that days ago! Thanks for reminding me. Risto H. Kurppa schrieb: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just updated the site. More information is available here: http://www.opkg.org/posting_1.html Thanks for the RSS's and other updates. Can you still link the OPKG logo to take the user to the front page, at the moment it's not a link. Thanks! r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
no, you need to use opkg. from your freerunner, try: opkg install web link to file this will download the file, install any dependencies (assuming opkg can find them in your feeds) and install the package 2008/10/17 BS - João Vieira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: how this works in the portal www.opkg.org? i click over the .ipk files with a webbrowser of openmoko and it installs it on the fly? On Thursday 16 October 2008, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just updated the site. More information is available here: http://www.opkg.org/posting_1.html Thanks for the RSS's and other updates. Can you still link the OPKG logo to take the user to the front page, at the moment it's not a link. Thanks! r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Thank you for reporting this bug. It has been fixed. Dear Tobias, Regardless of many contrarian and critical opinions posted here, I think you have done a great job in creating the site and giving people a quick way to look up available applications. You own the opkg.com domain, and if someone has a problem with it, they should have thought of buying it up first. I am sure of your intentions, and I know they are good. If people bother you too much about fragmenting and possible malware and such, you can just provide two links to each software: one to the package on your site, and one to the 'official' repository. You can also put in a disclaimer, and tell the paranoid to use the official package. Do not be discouraged by negative opinions. The most marginal are usually the most strident. And for sake of ease, please put the category list on top. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
Hi Rod, Your points are very true. Actually, we have a lot of discussion about these internally. When I am trying to create the community repository, we meet some issues. There were some open issues. 1. Dependency: * Wrong/None Dependency The accuracy of dependency really matters. * Out of date: It is very hard to find out if the package is out of date or not. * Different ABI: Some people may release packages with different toolchain, and this may cause many difficult problem, and sometimes very hard to find out. 2. Security issues: When we got a package, we will need to take a look of it's source code, and make sure the package is not harmful. For those very good projects, I'd love/encourage to put them into feeds of our build system, and so that they will having less above problems. We want to provide a platform that everyone can share whatever they want to share legally, and also what shared through Openmoko should be workable and runs well at least on Openmoko's Om2008.8. Therefore, we have community repository to put these packages. I realize that, creating a BB file and building system with OE, sometimes is a high barrier from interaction with many developers. (Thanks mokoMakefile, it indeed helps a lot of people.) Many developers actually do not care about how the whole system built, they just want to develop what they are interested in. (And they should not have to worry about other issues) Therefore we provide meta-toolchain. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain. For those projects, developers may just want to pack their own packages and release. Other some may be data, themes... etc. If they are good enough and work well on current system, I'd love to put them into community repository. I also encourage developers create their own bb files, and so that it can be build by our build system, and even be ported to many machine very easily. That way they can promote their own brain-child greatly. We also know there are many many ebullient hackers wants to release their own distributions/repository. We love that. And we want to create an easy way for them to release and promote their repositories. But for those repositories, we cannot guarantee those are compatible for our distribution. Hackers will need to take care of that themselves. To summarize: If my info were not wrong or outdated. There *will* be three ways to release packages/repositories through Openmoko. 1. Through our build system, hackers provides (or ask us (but we are lazy)) bb files and put them into OE. 2. University repository: Putting packages that satisfy the following conditions: a. Open source, and legal. (If they were execuable files, GPL License is prefered.) b. Runs well on our distribution(s). c. Do no evil. If we found any package does not satisfy any above conditions, we will remove that immediately. 3. Multiverse repository: Putting packages of repositories. Let people download those packages and adding repositories. (Above is unfinished yet, I need to push someone to do this more.) Praise on Tobias's work. It's really a very good way to find out useful packages. This web site can be the best collection of useful packages (for Searching). It can also becomes one of the best community repository. If it maintains well. We do very happy to see this, and appreciate. Cheers, Tick On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:43:14PM +1030, Rod Whitby wrote: Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/10/12 Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. great stuff, found some interesting things there already would you be interested in turning it into a true repository? with an entry for the .conf file for opkg? It really is a sad commentary on the state of official Openmoko repositories that this question is even asked. The state of affairs *should* be that you just get the application name from opkg.org, and then type opkg install name on whatever distribution you are running (or select the application name from the GUI installer application on the device) and it installs flawlessly from the official feeds for that distribution. Have we all given up on that scenario (which is commonplace in other community projects) and must resort to even more third-party repositories which do nothing more than mirror bits and pieces of all the existing disparate repositories? Please, let's make this the best site for *finding* new applications and deciding which ones to install, but hook it into the existing repositories and improve them instead of creating yet more repositories to confuse people, become out of date, and cause upgrade nightmares when they are not consistent with the base images ... -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Digital
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
2008/10/12 Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. great stuff, found some interesting things there already would you be interested in turning it into a true repository? with an entry for the .conf file for opkg? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/10/12 Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. great stuff, found some interesting things there already would you be interested in turning it into a true repository? with an entry for the .conf file for opkg? It really is a sad commentary on the state of official Openmoko repositories that this question is even asked. The state of affairs *should* be that you just get the application name from opkg.org, and then type opkg install name on whatever distribution you are running (or select the application name from the GUI installer application on the device) and it installs flawlessly from the official feeds for that distribution. Have we all given up on that scenario (which is commonplace in other community projects) and must resort to even more third-party repositories which do nothing more than mirror bits and pieces of all the existing disparate repositories? Please, let's make this the best site for *finding* new applications and deciding which ones to install, but hook it into the existing repositories and improve them instead of creating yet more repositories to confuse people, become out of date, and cause upgrade nightmares when they are not consistent with the base images ... -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
2008/10/13 Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It really is a sad commentary on the state of official Openmoko repositories that this question is even asked. The state of affairs *should* be that you just get the application name from opkg.org, and then type opkg install name on whatever distribution you are running (or select the application name from the GUI installer application on the device) and it installs flawlessly from the official feeds for that distribution. oh, you're completely right to be entirely honest, i was asking for two reasons - one, to suggest to Tobias to do this, but also to prompt openmoko to 'head him off at the pass', so to speak, and do it themselves i fear of these two, only the former will happen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I discover 4 useful applications just by browsing this website for 5min... kudos to you, this is awesome ! Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
Stroller wrote: On 13 Oct 2008, at 08:13, Rod Whitby wrote: ... The state of affairs *should* be that you just get the application name from opkg.org, and then type opkg install name on whatever distribution you are running (or select the application name from the GUI installer application on the device) and it installs flawlessly from the official feeds for that distribution. That requires exiting the web-browser using the CLI. Aren't people asking for immediate installation through the GUI of the browser? OK, add ... or click on the link to run the normal GUI application installer which already points to the official repositories to the above. The point is not how convenient it is, since you can easily fix that in one place. The point is how disparate and fragmented the community resources become if you don't continuously fight against entropy. Diversity driven by well-informed intention is good. Fragmentation caused by barriers or simply entropy is not. -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
On 13 Oct 2008, at 08:13, Rod Whitby wrote: ... The state of affairs *should* be that you just get the application name from opkg.org, and then type opkg install name on whatever distribution you are running (or select the application name from the GUI installer application on the device) and it installs flawlessly from the official feeds for that distribution. That requires exiting the web-browser using the CLI. Aren't people asking for immediate installation through the GUI of the browser? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Rod Diversity driven by well-informed intention is good. Fragmentation caused by barriers or simply entropy is not. That captures my thoughts very well. Rod Whitby wrote: Stroller wrote: On 13 Oct 2008, at 08:13, Rod Whitby wrote: ... The state of affairs *should* be that you just get the application name from opkg.org, and then type opkg install name on whatever distribution you are running (or select the application name from the GUI installer application on the device) and it installs flawlessly from the official feeds for that distribution. That requires exiting the web-browser using the CLI. Aren't people asking for immediate installation through the GUI of the browser? OK, add ... or click on the link to run the normal GUI application installer which already points to the official repositories to the above. The point is not how convenient it is, since you can easily fix that in one place. The point is how disparate and fragmented the community resources become if you don't continuously fight against entropy. Diversity driven by well-informed intention is good. Fragmentation caused by barriers or simply entropy is not. -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
I go on the site and the first thing i see is a popup that shows that the site was partly hacked with javascript comment entrys. It is not very good if the comment is interpreted as html code. :( The hack disables the left category menu. Only with help of firefox and noscript i can disable the hack locally and get the menu back. Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2008/10/13 Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] I go on the site and the first thing i see is a popup that shows that the site was partly hacked with javascript comment entrys. It is not very good if the comment is interpreted as html code. :( The hack disables the left category menu. Only with help of firefox and noscript i can disable the hack locally and get the menu back. Ciao, Rainer It was me but I contacted the author of the site and he fixed the 2 bugs... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Thank you for reporting this bug. It has been fixed. Thomas Bertani schrieb: 2008/10/13 Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I go on the site and the first thing i see is a popup that shows that the site was partly hacked with javascript comment entrys. It is not very good if the comment is interpreted as html code. :( The hack disables the left category menu. Only with help of firefox and noscript i can disable the hack locally and get the menu back. Ciao, Rainer It was me but I contacted the author of the site and he fixed the 2 bugs... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Fox Mulder schrieb: I go on the site and the first thing i see is a popup that shows that the site was partly hacked with javascript comment entrys. It is not very good if the comment is interpreted as html code. :( The hack disables the left category menu. Only with help of firefox and noscript i can disable the hack locally and get the menu back. Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
Hi Tobias, Great job. I am very glad to see a web site like this. I have two questions. 1. Do you want to create a repository, and so that opkg can access your repository directory? You may want to see http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/ If your repository is ready to go, people can create packages pointing to your web site, and then download packages from your repository via opkg directly. 2. IMHO www.opkg.org seems a little bit general, It may confuse some users. Do your consider a more precise name? Cheers, Tick On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:30:06AM +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: Hello everyone, I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. I know, some time ago there was someone other who planned to do something like this. But it's been a long time since then. I don't think they are working on it anymore... It just confirms what everyone is saying about Openmoko: Everything is unfinished and takes forever to be done. In my opinion that's not true. All of you do a really great job. So I wanted to give my contribution to the community and build that Homepage. There is a lot to improve on the site. These are (some of) my targets: * add Search-Box * improve «Package-Detail»-Screen * improve Home-Screen Everybody is able to post new packages or edit packages. Just register and log in. It would be great if all of you would help getting the database populated. I added just a few packages, but I know there are more! If you find any kind of bugs on the page (espacially spelling mistakes) feel free to contact me. My first language is German - not English (I think you realized that lines ago...). I'm also happy if you send me your ideas and opinions! Thank you. Regards, Tobias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
I had this idea too some times ago and I started a project but I haven't time to finish it... 2008/10/12 Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. I know, some time ago there was someone other who planned to do something like this. But it's been a long time since then. I don't think they are working on it anymore... It just confirms what everyone is saying about Openmoko: Everything is unfinished and takes forever to be done. In my opinion that's not true. All of you do a really great job. So I wanted to give my contribution to the community and build that Homepage. There is a lot to improve on the site. These are (some of) my targets: * add Search-Box * improve «Package-Detail»-Screen * improve Home-Screen Everybody is able to post new packages or edit packages. Just register and log in. It would be great if all of you would help getting the database populated. I added just a few packages, but I know there are more! If you find any kind of bugs on the page (espacially spelling mistakes) feel free to contact me. My first language is German - not English (I think you realized that lines ago...). I'm also happy if you send me your ideas and opinions! Thank you. Regards, Tobias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
Great job Tobias!! A great site! One of my favourite sites for Ubuntu is getdeb where you can easily download install new .deb packages, you do the same for Openmoko. Wow! As far as I know, getdeb is open source so you might be able to use some parts of their code. Maybe you already do :) I really hope that all usable ipk:s would find their way there from projects.openmoko: it's a pain to go through all projects there. On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great work, Tobias! I have one suggestion: add information about required dependencies, and the distribution that the package is compatible with. I second this. My wish would be a RSS feed of new items there. Way to go! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Tobias Kündig wrote: I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. I don't want to rain on your parade, cause it's a great service you've set up, but the problem is that .ipk (and now .opk) is used for *many* more different embedded devices than the Openmoko phones. So your domain name may be just a bit too general :-) But hey, you got the domain first, so you get to choose how to use it. So, can I add .ipks for the nslu2 or the wrt54g or the zaurus or the Treo 650 to your database? -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello everyone, I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. I know, some time ago there was someone other who planned to do something like this. But it's been a long time since then. I don't think they are working on it anymore... It just confirms what everyone is saying about Openmoko: Everything is unfinished and takes forever to be done. In my opinion that's not true. All of you do a really great job. So I wanted to give my contribution to the community and build that Homepage. There is a lot to improve on the site. These are (some of) my targets: * add Search-Box * improve «Package-Detail»-Screen * improve Home-Screen Everybody is able to post new packages or edit packages. Just register and log in. It would be great if all of you would help getting the database populated. I added just a few packages, but I know there are more! If you find any kind of bugs on the page (espacially spelling mistakes) feel free to contact me. My first language is German - not English (I think you realized that lines ago...). I'm also happy if you send me your ideas and opinions! Great work, Tobias! I have one suggestion: add information about required dependencies, and the distribution that the package is compatible with. Another one: get the category list on top. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
2008/10/12 Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello everyone, I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. I know, some time ago there was someone other who planned to do something like this. But it's been a long time since then. I don't think they are working on it anymore... It just confirms what everyone is saying about Openmoko: Everything is unfinished and takes forever to be done. In my opinion that's not true. All of you do a really great job. So I wanted to give my contribution to the community and build that Homepage. There is a lot to improve on the site. These are (some of) my targets: * add Search-Box * improve «Package-Detail»-Screen * improve Home-Screen Everybody is able to post new packages or edit packages. Just register and log in. It would be great if all of you would help getting the database populated. I added just a few packages, but I know there are more! If you find any kind of bugs on the page (espacially spelling mistakes) feel free to contact me. My first language is German - not English (I think you realized that lines ago...). I'm also happy if you send me your ideas and opinions! Thank you. Regards, Tobias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Very good job! Thank you! Davide ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Tobias Kündig wrote: I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org Great job!! Paul -- If there were no schools to take the children away from home part of the time, the insane asylum would be filled with mothers. -Edgar Watson Howe http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2008/10/12 Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org That's a really neat site already. Kudos! Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Nice work, if you will provide a repository with all packages from site, it will be excelent :) dos Tobias Kündig wrote: I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
Very nice site, indeed. I would suggest that you include license information and source code downloads. Also, as someone already mentioned, it would be great to have a repository of all your packages. On Sunday 12 October 2008 11:30:06 Tobias Kündig wrote: Hello everyone, I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. I know, some time ago there was someone other who planned to do something like this. But it's been a long time since then. I don't think they are working on it anymore... It just confirms what everyone is saying about Openmoko: Everything is unfinished and takes forever to be done. In my opinion that's not true. All of you do a really great job. So I wanted to give my contribution to the community and build that Homepage. There is a lot to improve on the site. These are (some of) my targets: * add Search-Box * improve «Package-Detail»-Screen * improve Home-Screen Everybody is able to post new packages or edit packages. Just register and log in. It would be great if all of you would help getting the database populated. I added just a few packages, but I know there are more! If you find any kind of bugs on the page (espacially spelling mistakes) feel free to contact me. My first language is German - not English (I think you realized that lines ago...). I'm also happy if you send me your ideas and opinions! Thank you. Regards, Tobias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
On 12.10.2008 at 11:30:06, Tobias Kündig wrote: Hello everyone, I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. I know, some time ago there was someone other who planned to do something like this. But it's been a long time since then. I don't think they are working on it anymore... It just confirms what everyone is saying about Openmoko: Everything is unfinished and takes forever to be done. In my opinion that's not true. All of you do a really great job. So I wanted to give my contribution to the community and build that Homepage. That's great! Thanks for investing the time to do the homepage. There is a lot to improve on the site. These are (some of) my targets: * add Search-Box * improve «Package-Detail»-Screen * improve Home-Screen What about providing an ATOM feed [1] with the latest packages? -- Fabian [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATOM ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Michael Zanetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, as someone already mentioned, it would be great to have a repository of all your packages. Isn't the community repository doing more or less this? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
On Sunday 12 October 2008 15:36:59 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Michael Zanetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, as someone already mentioned, it would be great to have a repository of all your packages. Isn't the community repository doing more or less this? Hmmm... yes. Probably it would be an idea to combine the community repos and this page somehow... So one could browse the site and install the packages from the community repos. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
please fix bugs before to annount the site... there are a lot of bugs... like the one clinking on something like this http://www.opkg.org/inc/ajax/rate.php?id=3v=-1(poor numptyphysics -.-') ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Thomas Bertani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please fix bugs before to annount the site... there are a lot of bugs... like the one clinking on something like this http://www.opkg.org/inc/ajax/rate.php?id=3v=-1 (poor numptyphysics -.-') If this applyes to all software.. well.. You've heard this 'release early, release often' thing and this stuff about community, bug reporting and so on.. So: thanks for pointing out a bug (that most likely will eventually be fixed..) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
nice work Tobias Kündig wrote: Hello everyone, I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. I know, some time ago there was someone other who planned to do something like this. But it's been a long time since then. I don't think they are working on it anymore... It just confirms what everyone is saying about Openmoko: Everything is unfinished and takes forever to be done. In my opinion that's not true. All of you do a really great job. So I wanted to give my contribution to the community and build that Homepage. There is a lot to improve on the site. These are (some of) my targets: * add Search-Box * improve «Package-Detail»-Screen * improve Home-Screen Everybody is able to post new packages or edit packages. Just register and log in. It would be great if all of you would help getting the database populated. I added just a few packages, but I know there are more! If you find any kind of bugs on the page (espacially spelling mistakes) feel free to contact me. My first language is German - not English (I think you realized that lines ago...). I'm also happy if you send me your ideas and opinions! Thank you. Regards, Tobias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
So now we can install stuff from OPKG (ssh to your phone and then copy the link from opkg.org and then opkg install http://www.opkg.org/asdasdasdasdasd.ipk) or from the community repo (opkg install asdasdasd) At the moment I don't see these connected. On Freerunner I can't see me going to okpg.org to search for new cool software and then click the link on the mobile browser to download the file and then use CLI or some graphical installer tool (is there any around?). I don't even know if the browsers support downloading.. I think it's great that opkg.org gives the applications more visibility: user doesn't have to see previous releases, number of svn revisions for this release and so on. Find the software you want, click and install is what's needed. So to make this useful on Freerunner (not only desktop) we need a web browser that's able to open .ipk links with an installer or the .ipk files in opkg.org are useless and people install stuff from community repos (unless there will be an opkg repository) What do you think? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:26:56PM +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: So now we can install stuff from OPKG (ssh to your phone and then copy the link from opkg.org and then opkg install http://www.opkg.org/asdasdasdasdasd.ipk) or from the community repo (opkg install asdasdasd) At the moment I don't see these connected. On Freerunner I can't see me going to okpg.org to search for new cool software and then click the link on the mobile browser to download the file and then use CLI or some graphical installer tool (is there any around?). I don't even know if the browsers support downloading.. I think it's great that opkg.org gives the applications more visibility: user doesn't have to see previous releases, number of svn revisions for this release and so on. Find the software you want, click and install is what's needed. So to make this useful on Freerunner (not only desktop) we need a web browser that's able to open .ipk links with an installer or the .ipk files in opkg.org are useless and people install stuff from community repos (unless there will be an opkg repository) What do you think? If you want viruses sure, yeah, go ahead :) The packages would better be installable only if signed by a key the user has installed himself (by default, of course, OM's repo key should be included). Like Debian and Fedora do, for instance... Rui -- Today is Setting Orange, the 66th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
we need a web browser that's able to open .ipk links with an installer or the .ipk files in opkg.org are useless and people install stuff from community repos (unless there will be an opkg repository) What do you think? r Maybe something like apturl where you can install software from the repos by clicking on an apt://$package url on a website. As it only installs software from already configured repos you don't risk installing software from unknown sources. solar.george signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: I don't even know if the browsers support downloading.. Links supports... and wget ;D ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Risto H. Kurppa wrote: I don't even know if the browsers support downloading.. Links supports... and wget ;D Hey, isn't this supposed to be a portal where people can see all available software, categorized, with user feedback and all? If there is so much trouble about possible viruses and inability to download etc., the packages can be easily installed through opkg from the OM repositories anyway. In case of packages that are still part of developing projects, hardly anybody is going to try them directly on the phone, especially given the current state of connectivity. People are most probably going to use their regular computers and install packages via SSH, so let us not make the website too complicated. Still, I do support Risto: the browser in Qtextended does not support downloads, and it does not let you view the url to a link, so you can't even wget stuff without divinely inspired guesswork. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
