2009/7/20 Giovanni pino.o...@gmail.com
MIPS is a great architecture and I am sure that it will have a bright
future.
Looking even brighter already:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/mips_android_port_open_sourced/
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Wolfgang
Are you a mechanical engineer? Or do you know some that are interested in
joining to work on a free design and/or can do some coding too? :-)
I`m a qualified mechanical engineer, currently finishing my Masters degree.
Although I have some experience in solid modelling, I`m not that
john wrote:
[snip]
...look at new areas such as hackable wearable
computing. Thus I am interested in seeing things get smaller and
cheaper and more hackable and not getting more shiny!
+1
Gilles
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steven mosher wrote:
2. Build a Copyleft version of the Iphone from scratch. pass me
400Million and I'll get right
on it! But you can't just build the iPhone, you have to build what
apple will ship 18 months
from now to be competitive.
Heh, I'd do it for 40 ;-)
But I think
Hi
With virtually every movie that depicts an even slightly futuristic
world showing video telephony, it's no surprise that some people do
start to believe that this will be part of the future ...
With that in mind, we could ask ourselves what are the roads not
taken in the guided
2009/7/25 pike pike-openm...@kw.nl
Ofcourse, you cant expect people to jump
into a conference call every moment. But
if you could 'add' a person during a call,
that would help. It would be possible if
only one of the connected devices could
do that.
just dreaming..
Not really, with voip
[ Changed the subject, for we've veered off-topic. ]
pike wrote:
So, what did science fiction *miss* ?
Actually, very little :) One thing that could make voice telecommunication
a lot more attractive would be an avatar who listens and understands.
Voice mail makes many people uncomfortable
Hi
Okay, that's a far-out idea. Something closer to home: if you don't need
video telephony, you don't need rapidly updating color images. So, put
e-paper into those phones. Maybe even the well-established grayscale type.
It probably still updates quickly enough that you could even doodle on
pike wrote:
strange, i've never seen it in day-to-day usage.
can't do it on my phone afaik ?
It's certainly one of the more obscure features :) You should be
able to use it by making the first call, then call the next party
and join the calls, and so on. Not sure if any of the Openmoko
distros
Actually one of the things I would like to do with a NanoNote is turn
it into a dedicated Twitter client! I think opinion will always be
divided on form factor. I have owned many devices from the Psion
Series II through to the iPhone but I still like Zaurus clamshell
designs. I also like the idea
2009/7/24 Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de
In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with
Linux installed ?
I hope you are talking just about the design. Physical keyboard is way
better if you're typing a lot. Even small. The screen is protected when it's
in your
just few comments from a European! :)
Its just FINE that you base your company in China.
China is worldwide a synonym of superior quality and most advanced
technology in terms of electronics and they are catching up extremely fast
with the rest of the industrial activities.
I wouldn't care about
On Friday 24 July 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
3. the PDA clam-shell form factor is obsolete
Not a single one commented negatively about the clamshell.
Psion Plc. invent the clamshell and set the top-level of usable keyboard
verses form-factor with Series 3 twenty years ago.
Then
Tony,
just a few misconceptions - Qi is global, same as Openmoko. Headquarter in
San Francisco, RD in Taiwan, Germany, USA. Production in China.
About patents - we care a lot. Qi Hardware is Copyleft Hardware.
How could we think that this would work if we didn't respect intellectual
property? We
On Friday 24 July 2009, Tony Berth wrote:
I wouldn't care about Sisvel. Let them try to sue you in ... China :) What
Sisvel 'defines' is useless and they know that. How may chinese companies
were sued anyway? :)
Christoph's problem is that as a reseller he's the one that gets sued, or has
his
Exactly,
As I've said before people do a dis service to values of openess by these
point comparisons
between iPhone and everything else. But if that comparison must be made
then
let the first bullet point be this: Open versus Closed. That said if the
goal is to create
an iPhone clone
Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@qi-hardware.com writes:
Do you know other free 3D tools?
http://irc.esben-stien.name/mediawiki/index.php/NURBS
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Am 21.07.2009 um 22:52 schrieb steven mosher:
Glad you noticed that Werner. When we went over the keyboard vi
was on my mind.
So next year on April 1st the company will be relaunched as vi-
hardware :)
Some corollary:
vi = vi-ntage
Real programmers do everything in vi (e.g.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:47:47AM -0700, steven mosher wrote:
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop
by and say hello.
http://www.qi-hardware.com/
Heh, it seems like I'm not in your target sets, but good luck in this venture!
:)
Rui
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On Tuesday 21 July 2009 17:24:56 Shaz wrote:
We (academic RnD) need a community effort and an effort that can compete
with iPhone and Windows mobiles. OHA and LIMO kind of efforts but that are
not as free as freedom and sort of not really open :) Can't this community
aim at working at that
Yes, that would be a great april fools joke.
Vintage is very trendy
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10021523-1.html
hehe
Werner, small keyboards, vi. It's an inside joke. Or rather a hat tip to a
good man, great
programmer, and founder of OM.
On that note, it's not kosher to use
Thanks for your kind words.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.orgwrote:
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:47:47AM -0700, steven mosher wrote:
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new
venture.Drop
by and say hello.
One thing is not clear to me - does the NanoNote have a touchscreen
(in addition to QWERTY) or not?
Nikolaus
Am 20.07.2009 um 17:47 schrieb steven mosher:
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new
venture.
Drop by and say hello.
http://www.qi-hardware.com/
Steve
no touch screen. I've got a post on features coming out tommorrow
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org
wrote:
One thing is not clear to me - does the NanoNote have a touchscreen (in
addition to QWERTY) or not?
Nikolaus
Am 20.07.2009 um 17:47
AFAIK no it don't have it in the first version.
2009/7/21 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org:
One thing is not clear to me - does the NanoNote have a touchscreen (in
addition to QWERTY) or not?
Nikolaus
Am 20.07.2009 um 17:47 schrieb steven mosher:
A while back Wolfgang mentioned
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:18 PM, GNUtoo gnu...@no-log.org wrote:
On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:47 -0700, steven mosher wrote:
It would be a great device...It has usb-2.0...wow(I hope it works
fine...not like on my bug device( http://www.buglabs.net/ ) where most
of the USB device I have work...but
opps forgot battery life. Michael shiloh has my unit. When I get some time
I'll just test it.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:57 PM, steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:18 PM, GNUtoo gnu...@no-log.org wrote:
On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:47 -0700, steven mosher wrote:
Ouch!
So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to
position any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large
enough trackpad somewhere?
What I wonder is how it will compare to this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipit_Wireless_Messenger_(Z2)
and its
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org
wrote:
Ouch!
So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to position
any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large enough trackpad
somewhere?
There is a 4 way key that can be used
Am 21.07.2009 um 10:52 schrieb steven mosher:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org
wrote:
Ouch!
So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to
position any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large
enough trackpad
inlined
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@computer.orgwrote:
Am 21.07.2009 um 10:52 schrieb steven mosher:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@computer.org wrote:
Ouch!
So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM, steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.comwrote:
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop
by and say hello.
This is good news. Congrats and good luck. By the way how are you guys
planning to go along with OpenMoko efforts?Are
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
most FOSS. Unless we restrict the Non-G-UI to commandline and
ncurses.
I noticed that is has an escape key. So vi will be fine. What else
could one possibly wish for, except that more GUI designers would
draw their inspiration from the grace and style of vi ? :-)
Shaz,
(cross-posting to develo...@lists.qi-hardware.com, if you have more Qi-specific
questions please ask me over there)
This is good news. Congrats and good luck. By the way how are you guys
planning to go along with OpenMoko efforts?
Both Openmoko and Qi believe in free technology, so for
Werner,
you can mark my words - I am becoming a real mutt fan now.
Unless someone else is faster, I will port mutt over to the NanoNote and
use it as my offline email device :-)
Next time I come visit you in Buenos Aires this will work!
Wolfgang
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 08:27:02AM -0300, Werner
Am 21.07.2009 um 13:27 schrieb Werner Almesberger:
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
most FOSS. Unless we restrict the Non-G-UI to commandline and
ncurses.
I noticed that is has an escape key. So vi will be fine. What else
could one possibly wish for, except that more GUI designers would
Christoph,
wow I like your list!
Old mistakes:
#1 Believing in the community? No comment.
#2 Not only do we 'announce' products that are not for sale, but in addition
we have an open roadmap and design the products based on community feedback.
#3 We don't need an MPEG-patent license because we
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wolfgang
Spraulwolfg...@qi-hardware.com wrote:
Shaz,
(cross-posting to develo...@lists.qi-hardware.com, if you have more
Qi-specific
questions please ask me over there)
This is good news. Congrats and good luck. By the way how are you guys
planning to go
#2 Not only do we 'announce' products that are not for sale, but in
addition we have an open roadmap and design the products based on
community feedback.
A comment on this:
Of course designing a product with as much input and feedback from your
community of customers is important. But when I
Am Dienstag, 21. Juli 2009 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to
position any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large
enough trackpad somewhere?
A pointing stick is much smaller...
(And don't tell me a touchpad is
maddog,
thanks for your thoughtful reply!
Fortunately the mp3 issue (as a continued example) can be met other
ways. Since the designs are open, the addition of an mp3 codec by a VAR
(and payment of that royalty in jurisdictions where it is required) is
something that could be done even
Rafael,
(ex-OM as well) has found some serious problems with HeeksCAD already, that
he says prohibit him from doing effective work to prepare for plastic
injection. Oh well...
This a surprise to me, as i didn't know this mechanical tool.
Are you a mechanical engineer? Or do you know some
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Wolfgang Spraul
wolfg...@qi-hardware.comwrote:
Christoph,
wow I like your list!
Old mistakes:
#1 Believing in the community? No comment.
#2 Not only do we 'announce' products that are not for sale, but in
addition
we have an open roadmap and design the
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wolfgang
Spraulwolfg...@qi-hardware.com wrote:
For mechanical design, it's even harder. Werner thinks HeeksCAD is the best
candidate, so Qi is looking into that now. Our mechanical engineer Tully
(ex-OM as well) has found some serious problems with HeeksCAD
The best candidate (the most serious open source software) would be
wildcat: http://wildcat-cad.blogspot.com/
http://code.google.com/p/wildcat-cad/source/list
How about QCaD ( http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html )
or electric for electrical design
(
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Patryk Benderzpatryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote:
The best candidate (the most serious open source software) would be
wildcat: http://wildcat-cad.blogspot.com/
http://code.google.com/p/wildcat-cad/source/list
How about QCaD ( http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html )
inlined
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Shaz shazal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM, steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.comwrote:
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new
venture.Drop
by and say hello.
This is good news. Congrats and good
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:47:01PM -0700, steven mosher wrote:
no touch screen. I've got a post on features coming out tommorrow
Perhaps someone figures out how to retrofit a touch screen. Here's an
example of doing so on the Eee PC:
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:47:47AM -0700, steven mosher wrote:
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop
by and say hello.
Congratulations on getting there!
http://www.qi-hardware.com/
LOL. My first thought was quarter-inch hardware. :-)
I
Thanks christoph.
Please feel free to sign up over on the developer list at qi and post
comments there.
Inlined repsonses.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.dewrote:
Hi,
my thoughts to Qi / NanoBook:
Mistakes repeated from Openmoko times:
1. you believe
2009/7/21 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com
2. you base on made in China (synonym for crap in Europe)
Iphone is made in China.
Which confirms Christoph's point :-)
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Glad you noticed that Werner. When we went over the keyboard vi was on my
mind. generally I tried to think of the things I could do with the device
rather than the things one could not
obviously do.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.orgwrote:
Dr. H. Nikolaus
2009/7/21 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm:
2009/7/21 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com
2. you base on made in China (synonym for crap in Europe)
Iphone is made in China.
Which confirms Christoph's point :-)
LOL XD
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hehe. glad somebody has a sense of humor.
But seriously when I was kid made in japan meant crap, as a young adult
made in taiwan
meant crap ( there were some budding geniuses who felt Nvidia was DOOMED
because they used
TSMC ). To be sure if you do not control the quality at any manufacturing
Laszlo,
excellent link to wildcat, thanks!
Free mechanical tools are the weakest part (aside from free IC design tools),
so this may take a while until it becomes a real production option but it's
definitely on the radar.
I will follow up on wildcat in a little bit.
Best Regards,
Wolfgang
On Tue,
2009/7/20 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.
Drop by and say hello.
http://www.qi-hardware.com/
Congratulations on the launch of Qi Hardware!
First thoughts: the space bar looks a little small.[1] That's a very
Congrats! Kudos for going clamshell!
John.
2009/7/20 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com:
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.
Drop by and say hello.
http://www.qi-hardware.com/
Steve
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For the first device we wanted to be 100% sure that we had fully
functioning hardware, so we left the ID alone, and just focused on a good
keyboard layout ( given the keys we had)
and getting linux to boot. If we start with that solid base and have a
good engineering process
then improving the
Dnia 2009-07-20, pon o godzinie 08:47 -0700, steven mosher pisze:
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new
Not so far ago... you managed to start pretty quickly :)
Congratulations!
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For the NanoNote line of products we will stick with Clamshell. That
doesn't mean otherproduct lines would be under the same restriction, but if
it's a NanoNote, then it's a clamshell.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM, john jptmo...@gmail.com wrote:
Congrats! Kudos for going clamshell!
John.
You can read more here
http://linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mids/29263-openmoko-layoffs-lead-to-new-open-hardware-venture
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM, john jptmo...@gmail.com wrote:
Congrats! Kudos for going clamshell!
John.
2009/7/20 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com:
A while
Congrats Steve!
Kosa
- Un mundo mejor es posible -
steven mosher wrote:
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.
Drop by and say hello.
http://www.qi-hardware.com/
Steve
thx.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Kosa k...@piradio.org wrote:
Congrats Steve!
Kosa
- Un mundo mejor es posible -
steven mosher wrote:
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new
venture.
Drop by and say hello.
http://www.qi-hardware.com/
Steve
is there any reason for using mips?
KP
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:27 AM, steven moshermosherste...@gmail.com wrote:
thx.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Kosa k...@piradio.org wrote:
Congrats Steve!
Kosa
- Un mundo mejor es posible -
steven mosher wrote:
A while back Wolfgang
There are two reasons, one pragmatic the other strategic.
On the practical side we selected a device that we could open. So, of all
the devices we
looked at that could serve as the basis of a good roadmap, the device that
presented
itself was mips based. On the strategic side the Mips
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM, steven moshermosherste...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.qi-hardware.com/
Sorry for being ignorant, but who are the target group?
I, for myself would not buy a device like this. It resembles like
the old manager calculator... (my mom had one like 15 years ago or
Ah,
you are using MIPS? Yes, digging around shows an Ingenic JZ4720.
That is great since we already offer a low-cost Linux-Mini-Notebook
(7'' screen, QWERTY WLAN) which uses the bigger brother JZ4730. We
have Debian running on it and it is called Letux 400.
And there is a small but nice
Dear Steven,
are you going to use the Loongson CPU for your MIPS architecture?
I'm happily using a Lemote Fulong for more than one year with Debian and
Slackware on it.
MIPS is a great architecture and I am sure that it will have a bright
future.
Congratulations for your new company!
Best
Thanks for the comment. Perhaps you should repost it over on the blogs so
everyone can benefit.
See below.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Laszlo KREKACS
laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM, steven moshermosherste...@gmail.com
wrote:
Done. Drop mirko a line at mi...@qi-hardware.com and he will add you to
the blog roll.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org
wrote:
Ah,
you are using MIPS? Yes, digging around shows an Ingenic JZ4720.
That is great since we already offer a low-cost
any general price range and is the usb port OTG for both client host?
it looks neat and if the price is good, i'd mount one in my car for
sensor gadget stuff
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On 7/20/09, David Ford da...@blue-labs.org wrote:
any general price range and is the usb port OTG for both client host?
Question++
I'm interested in programming *on* something like that, and my
girlfriend is interested in learning programming when she see what I'm
doing on my Freerunner ;)
I'm interested in programming *on* something like that, and my
girlfriend is interested in learning programming when she see what I'm
doing on my Freerunner ;) Keyboard seems to be ok for programming, so
i'm generally interested.
girlfriend++
Does she have a sister? :P
That's cool. It's kinda funny every female I have showed the device to
wants one. And they alreadyown Iphones and blackberry's. perfect for my
purse! weird I didnt expect that. One's learning
PHP .. it would be her Personal Hack Pad. hehe.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
Hi Steve,
Congratulations! Sounds like a very interesting project.
The geek in me is say - W00t - when can I get one!
Unfortunately, the product manager in me is sounding a bit more like
Laszlo: raising questions like: What's the business model - are you
targeting end-users, or are you
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Warren Baird
wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.cawrote:
Hi Steve,
Congratulations! Sounds like a very interesting project.
The geek in me is say - W00t - when can I get one!
Yup. same reaction of every geek I've showed it to.
Unfortunately, the product
steven mosher wrote:
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop
by and say hello.
And so it has begun ... congratulations and good luck !
May the source be with you :-)
- Werner
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM, steven moshermosherste...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Steven for the explanation. I do hope the best for your company.
Done. Drop mirko a line at mi...@qi-hardware.com and he will add you
to the blog roll.
Is mirko the same Mirko Lindner who is used to work
On 20 Jul 2009, at 22:47, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM, steven
moshermosherste...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Steven for the explanation. I do hope the best for your
company.
Done. Drop mirko a line at mi...@qi-hardware.com and he will add
you
to the
Thanks Werner,
Your project is a great inspiration for us. A lot of people just want to
walk away from the dream of a truly open phone or just mouth platitudes
about turning things over to the community. You actually
picked up the ball and got in the game. Your project is on the blog roll and
Last night the hairdresser told me he want to learn programming, even pay for
training :)
steven mosher wrote:
That's cool. It's kinda funny every female I have showed the device to
wants one. And they alreadyown Iphones and blackberry's. perfect for my
purse! weird I didnt expect that.
Nice geek gadget!!
(i also would like to have one)
Do you have protypes and a working kernel? I could not stop my
internal engieering questions!! ;)
My mainly question, rather that what is the target audience, what do
you have in mind when you design the NanoNote? Some Assistant?
One important
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Go ahead and report at qi-hardware, so I can share the answers with
others.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Rafael Campos meth...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice geek gadget!!
(i also would like to have one)
Do you have protypes and a working kernel? I could not stop my
internal engieering
On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:47 -0700, steven mosher wrote:
It would be a great device...It has usb-2.0...wow(I hope it works
fine...not like on my bug device( http://www.buglabs.net/ ) where most
of the USB device I have work...but not my usb tv card)
but...unfortunately it has 320x240 screen and
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