Re: Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Hi. Just for reference, I filed a ticket about this issue : http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1933 Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Anyway, it seems it's rather unstable in the first times the system is | brought up, and stabilizes after a while. | If I unplug the USB cable when I lose IP connectivity, and replug | after 1/2 seconds, then it becomes more stable. Well maybe the fact | that I'm running a ping 192.168.0.202 continously helps also at that | stage : it may help maintain connectivity somehow ? Just to confirm that I experienced a similar behaviour with 2008.8 running from flash too :( Maybe I'll be able to provide more diagnostics once I'm more confident with the networking setup in 2008.8. -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Olivier Berger wrote: Now, I have found a way to boot to OM 2008.8 from SD (actually VFAT + EXT3). But I'm too unable to use network over USB now (works fine if rebooting to 2007.2 in flash). Hi, I've just received my Freerunner yesterday. FYI, I'm able to boot to OM 2008.8 from SD and to use use network over USB with Windows XP ( with VFAT and EXT3 as described here ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#Preparing_the_SD_card and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card ) Today, I try the Raster version of OM 2008.8 ( http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ ) from SD and I can't use network over USB anymore. Best regards, Yves Mahe ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
How could you make distinction about that? Should the client check a box for saying they are enthusiast? I think that, since it seems that Qtopia has some problems too, the FR should come with their branded software, the one that is intended to be used in the future. The product is not readied for normal consumer, and I think that normal consumer are not buying it anyway. IMHO, of course. And calling you anormal was not my intention, of course. Is 'next batch of Freerunners' referring to further units destined for developers and enthusiasts, or units targeting consumers? For the former: I'd think OM2008.08, 'opkg upgrade'd past a few irritations, with developer-friendly keyboard (g) and Terminal. These people should easily be up to the task of flashing to whatever they wish, though a tool (ncurses and gui lin/win) to manage flashing, store and index possibly multiple backups, etc would be handy. For the latter: Qtopia, with a one-click 'installer' on CD or thumbdrive that lets user backup flash to desktop, flash OM2008.08 from media, look for newest OS images on net, etc. If OM2008.08 has acquired a bit more maturity, I'd consider it for consumers, with Qtopia being the default interface the user sees, but not just Qtopia apps accessible in the installer. j On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:00:48 -0700, Steve Mosher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was actually an option we considered. Michele Renda wrote: Ship with nothing and everyone put what want So nobody can say it is not a complete software :) steve wrote: Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. discuss. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Charles Pax *Sent:* Friday, August 08, 2008 12:24 PM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release Will this be shipping with the next batch of Freerunners? -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:12:03 +0200 (CEST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How could you make distinction about that? Should the client check a box for saying they are enthusiast? He said that it would depend on who the Openmoko team thinks is the target group. I'd +1 the ship FR without any images idea. That would send out a pretty clear message. Because seriously, letting Joe Sixpack easily use the device every day is still many months away. By then, you can retarget your device to normal consumers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
That was actually an option we considered. Michele Renda wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ship with nothing and everyone put what want So nobody can say it is not a complete software :) steve wrote: Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. discuss. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Charles Pax *Sent:* Friday, August 08, 2008 12:24 PM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release Will this be shipping with the next batch of Freerunners? -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIn+hnSIAU/I6SkT0RAncMAKCBi0LLq8D+Dw/8DkP/aEhdAlmbZQCfclHz GWje2yvrJS9EXdC4dUpnH0w= =Ee/g -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Is 'next batch of Freerunners' referring to further units destined for developers and enthusiasts, or units targeting consumers? For the former: I'd think OM2008.08, 'opkg upgrade'd past a few irritations, with developer-friendly keyboard (g) and Terminal. These people should easily be up to the task of flashing to whatever they wish, though a tool (ncurses and gui lin/win) to manage flashing, store and index possibly multiple backups, etc would be handy. For the latter: Qtopia, with a one-click 'installer' on CD or thumbdrive that lets user backup flash to desktop, flash OM2008.08 from media, look for newest OS images on net, etc. If OM2008.08 has acquired a bit more maturity, I'd consider it for consumers, with Qtopia being the default interface the user sees, but not just Qtopia apps accessible in the installer. j On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:00:48 -0700, Steve Mosher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was actually an option we considered. Michele Renda wrote: Ship with nothing and everyone put what want So nobody can say it is not a complete software :) steve wrote: Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. discuss. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Charles Pax *Sent:* Friday, August 08, 2008 12:24 PM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release Will this be shipping with the next batch of Freerunners? -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Von: Marc Bantle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wolfgang Spraul wrote: 1. how many people want this? +1 +1 2. does anyone in the community step up and compile the distribution for GTA01? (there will be some work: size reduction, GPS chip, etc) I'd be fine with a tar.gz - image to put on SD-card. So size reduction is not necessarily an issue. Actually I'd rather have the complete 2008.08 suite. How are other GTA01 users thinc about that? +1 cheers -homyx -- for Windows problems reboot for Linux problems be root ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:48 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For GTA01, we have no big plan yet but we will look at it next. The biggest problem that stops us is that we are extremely low on GTA01 phones :-) I am only aware of 1 (ONE) functioning GTA01 in the Taipei office. A bit hard to do development and testing that way. Next week we will look at the Om 2008.8 on GTA01 situation: There must have been many of them at one time; did you sell or otherwise get rid of all of those? Don't any of the developers have their own? As someone else suggested maybe some people in the community would be able to return them if you need more for development. Not having bought a Freerunner yet, yes I'm very interested in being able to run the latest stuff on my GTA01. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Wolfgang Spraul wrote: 1. how many people want this? +1 2. does anyone in the community step up and compile the distribution for GTA01? (there will be some work: size reduction, GPS chip, etc) I'd be fine with a tar.gz - image to put on SD-card. So size reduction is not necessarily an issue. Actually I'd rather have the complete 2008.08 suite. How are other GTA01 users thinc about that? Marc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
I'd be fine with a tar.gz - image to put on SD-card. So size reduction is not necessarily an issue. Actually I'd rather have the complete 2008.08 suite. How are other GTA01 users thinc about that? Marc I like the idea too .. and I'm perfectly content with booting my neo1973 from SD card .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (re GTA01) I'd be fine with a tar.gz - image to put on SD-card. So I like the idea too .. and I'm perfectly content with booting my neo1973 from SD card .. +1 clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ship with nothing and everyone put what want So nobody can say it is not a complete software :) steve wrote: Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. discuss. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Charles Pax *Sent:* Friday, August 08, 2008 12:24 PM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release Will this be shipping with the next batch of Freerunners? -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIn+hnSIAU/I6SkT0RAncMAKCBi0LLq8D+Dw/8DkP/aEhdAlmbZQCfclHz GWje2yvrJS9EXdC4dUpnH0w= =Ee/g -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Ship with nothing and everyone put what want So nobody can say it is not a complete software :) Ship with *all* available distributions on the *SD Card*, and include a script that lets you copy your desired distribution to flash once you've checked them all out .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ship with nothing and everyone put what want So nobody can say it is not a complete software :) Ship with *all* available distributions on the *SD Card*, and include a script that lets you copy your desired distribution to flash once you've checked them all out .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community +1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
steve wrote: Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. 4. Ship bare metal and let the users choose. Why not embrace choice? -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
I'm curious about this theme of yours. -Steven On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest changing the gtk theme to something that doesn't mess up visibility of rendering like it has and matches the rest of the theme better (I have a theme if anyone wants it). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
I guess it's pretty flaky :( But still I see some (slow) progress ;) It really could be related to the USB ports on your PC .. if for some reason your PC is not happy with the power-state changes demanded by the Freerunner, then it will reset the USB hard layer, and this has the effect that your internal USB GUID changes, confusing the usb- ethernet driver, and thus giving you inconsistent services. If its at all possible, try running some sort of USB diagnostic app on your PC while this is all going on or check your log files for USB-related messages in the meantime .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I kept trying, rebooted, tested, again, again, unplugged USB, | replugged... and TADA, at some point it magically worked ! | | I've typed-in a few commands, got networking (opkg update completed), | did a few more things... and ... it's now gone :( | | # ping 192.168.0.202 | PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data. | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable | | no kernel message on desktop side : usb not unplugged... | | I guess it's pretty flaky :( But still I see some (slow) progress ;) | | I guess screen will be my friend. I would first guess this is simply the ifconfig to set Freerunner-side IP getting messed with. I really did not see flakiness of Ethernet over USB and I understood there is new scheme for managing IP allocation in this new rootfs. If anyone with a debug board sees this behaviour, just logging in on the debug serial console and doing ifconfig usb0 / route - -n would clear it up if it is that. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkieoFEACgkQOjLpvpq7dMokCgCfQuBWnoEa56g0Qw2O2KZImRrC +K4An3dP5fzVn5kvsELnycT6IDQSBfhZ =R/wR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess it's pretty flaky :( But still I see some (slow) progress ;) It really could be related to the USB ports on your PC .. if for some reason your PC is not happy with the power-state changes demanded by the Freerunner, then it will reset the USB hard layer, and this has the effect that your internal USB GUID changes, confusing the usb- ethernet driver, and thus giving you inconsistent services. If its at all possible, try running some sort of USB diagnostic app on your PC while this is all going on or check your log files for USB-related messages in the meantime .. I don't believe so, as I've not had these issues with 2007.7, but it would be running from flash, whereas I have the problems with 2008.8 running from SD... maybe that's why ? Thanks anyway. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I kept trying, rebooted, tested, again, again, unplugged USB, | replugged... and TADA, at some point it magically worked ! | | I've typed-in a few commands, got networking (opkg update completed), | did a few more things... and ... it's now gone :( | | # ping 192.168.0.202 | PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data. | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable | | no kernel message on desktop side : usb not unplugged... | | I guess it's pretty flaky :( But still I see some (slow) progress ;) | | I guess screen will be my friend. I would first guess this is simply the ifconfig to set Freerunner-side IP getting messed with. I really did not see flakiness of Ethernet over USB and I understood there is new scheme for managing IP allocation in this new rootfs. If anyone with a debug board sees this behaviour, just logging in on the debug serial console and doing ifconfig usb0 / route -n would clear it up if it is that. Thanks for the feedback. Notice that I'm running 2008.8 from SD so that may change some behaviour vs running it from flash, explaining the network problems. Anyway, it seems it's rather unstable in the first times the system is brought up, and stabilizes after a while. If I unplug the USB cable when I lose IP connectivity, and replug after 1/2 seconds, then it becomes more stable. Well maybe the fact that I'm running a ping 192.168.0.202 continously helps also at that stage : it may help maintain connectivity somehow ? Anyway, I guess I'll be able to test 2008.8 from flash soon, and may be able to tell if that's better. In the meantime, 'screen -R -D' is my friend ;) Hope this helps. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Anyway, it seems it's rather unstable in the first times the system is | brought up, and stabilizes after a while. | If I unplug the USB cable when I lose IP connectivity, and replug | after 1/2 seconds, then it becomes more stable. Well maybe the fact | that I'm running a ping 192.168.0.202 continously helps also at that | stage : it may help maintain connectivity somehow ? This is also quite compatible with the idea the issue is around ip allocation on Freerunner side: when you remove and replug you will be doing something radical on the usb0 on Freerunner side (I guess the semantic is link down / link up, and logical usb0 network device stays there the whole while). But still then whatever deals with IP allocation can be triggered to reapply static IP or do DHCP request, etc and make the issue go away. | Anyway, I guess I'll be able to test 2008.8 from flash soon, and may | be able to tell if that's better. | | In the meantime, 'screen -R -D' is my friend ;) | | Hope this helps. Well no doubt your issue is real, I guess it is not underlying link though because I use it heavily with 2008.08 out of the picture here and it is OK. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkifTRsACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpwAQCfa5JNPU+2RzUrVZ4mZteuRw1u G+8An2lD6o5FliOmG58VUOVL4JHceMMu =/u3s -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Anyway, it seems it's rather unstable in the first times the system is | brought up, and stabilizes after a while. | If I unplug the USB cable when I lose IP connectivity, and replug | after 1/2 seconds, then it becomes more stable. Well maybe the fact | that I'm running a ping 192.168.0.202 continously helps also at that | stage : it may help maintain connectivity somehow ? This is also quite compatible with the idea the issue is around ip allocation on Freerunner side: when you remove and replug you will be doing something radical on the usb0 on Freerunner side (I guess the semantic is link down / link up, and logical usb0 network device stays there the whole while). But still then whatever deals with IP allocation can be triggered to reapply static IP or do DHCP request, etc and make the issue go away. | Anyway, I guess I'll be able to test 2008.8 from flash soon, and may | be able to tell if that's better. | | In the meantime, 'screen -R -D' is my friend ;) | | Hope this helps. Well no doubt your issue is real, I guess it is not underlying link though because I use it heavily with 2008.08 out of the picture here and it is OK. -Andy Just to confirm that I experienced a similar behaviour with 2008.8 running from flash too :( Maybe I'll be able to provide more diagnostics once I'm more confident with the networking setup in 2008.8. My 2 cents, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. discuss. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Pax Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:24 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release Will this be shipping with the next batch of Freerunners? -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
I think Qtopia. It's nice to open the box and get to play around with some features. Afterwards, people can make informed choices to go with another distribution. Cheers! Justin On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 7:53 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. discuss. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Pax Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:24 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release Will this be shipping with the next batch of Freerunners? -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 19:53 -0700, steve wrote: Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. What are the plans for FSO? Are there any issues with moving some of its features into OM2008.8 - maybe integrate the OM2008.8 dialer with the FSO phone server. I think OM2008.8 may be a good choice because it allows use of both gtk and qt apps and gives insight to where things are moving. I would suggest changing the gtk theme to something that doesn't mess up visibility of rendering like it has and matches the rest of the theme better (I have a theme if anyone wants it). Plain qtopia doesn't use x windows and you miss out on a bunch of good apps like tango. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:23 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. discuss. 2007.2 with tango GPS, Wi-fi GUI and media player installed for now Move to 2008.8 at a later date when it is more stable. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Noah Romer wrote: William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed uImage is the kernel. You will need to re-flash a u-boot image to the u-boot partition. Try this one: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr50+dc633f4be2527f844158aa5085c278b0c3039d3f-r0.bin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Hi Noah, No, It's kernel image. If you indeed reflash u-boot with kernel image. I think you will need a debug board. Regard, Tick On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:19:51PM -0700, Noah Romer wrote: William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed and on the screen of my Freerunner, it says, End of write exceeds partition end. Should I just re-flash the 2007.2 u-boot image? Thanks. -- Noah Romer | Knowledge is power. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available | Power corrupts. by finger or email | ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Martin Šenkeřík [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe can help reflashing your u-boot with some actual version... Thanks for the suggestion. Haven't tried that, but instead, I changed u-boot env to add a new menu entry including init=/sbin/init. It went a bit further this time : kernel boots and I can see the booting splash screen (with boots and progress bar), although the X server wasn't started, I guess : I get a black screen. I updated the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Add_uboot_boot_entry to show an example menu with the init kernel arg. Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? I've just tried and install it like that on the SD's ext3 partition, and copied the kernel to the first partition (VFAT). But after booting, I'm stuck with a : Kernel panic - not syncing: No int found. Try passing init= option to kernel. Too bad :( I'll have to flash ? -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Tick Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Noah, No, It's kernel image. If you indeed reflash u-boot with kernel image. I think you will need a debug board. Regard, Tick Or just boot into NOR U-boot nand erase u-boot and flash a new U-boot in using dfu-utils? Is this not what the NOR u0boot is for? Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? Yes, I do. Initially, I had a running Qtopia on the said microsd (small vfat partition with uImage.bin, big ext2 one with rootfs expanded on it, the normal way if I guess). And it was booting fine. Then I just replaced the uImage by the one in yesterday's announcement, and I cleaned the rootfs and expanded the .tar.gz provided by I-don't-remember-who on the ML a few hours later. The first boot was somewhat messy, but it might be from my lack of experience with ASU (I started with suspending instead of closing apps, to give an example). From there, it worked fine for the hour or of testing I submited it to. I guess it won't help much, but hell... good luck with it. -- Olivier M. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? I did too. I replaced my ASU image on a third ext3 partition on my SD card. (format partition, copy tar file in /tmp, untar 2008.8 rootfs into partition) uImage.bin is on a first FAT partition (didn't try yet to use kernel on ext3 partition, maybe it works now that I had uboot updated). Or I even boot using uImage kernel from SDRAM and then rootfs on /mmcblk0p3 But the first few boots I could not have USB networking working -at all-. Now it works, but I don't really know what was wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I changed u-boot env to add a new menu entry including init=/sbin/init. It went a bit further this time : kernel boots and I can see the booting splash screen (with boots and progress bar), although the X server wasn't started, I guess : I get a black screen. I updated the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Add_uboot_boot_entry to show an example menu with the init kernel arg. Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? To follow-up on that issue. It seems that after having failed initially, I tried again (nothing changed), and this time, the X server started allright. I even was able to input the pin (hard with that strange keyboard), and place/receive calls. Success, I declare ! Now, I'll have to update http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8#Download to update details on how to boot it from SD. Thanks for the feedbacks received. It helped me keep on trying ;-) Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Oh Sorry, Yes you are right, there is an Nor uboot for this case. Thanks for correct me. Cheers, Tick On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 11:41:25AM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Tick Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Noah, No, It's kernel image. If you indeed reflash u-boot with kernel image. I think you will need a debug board. Regard, Tick Or just boot into NOR U-boot nand erase u-boot and flash a new U-boot in using dfu-utils? Is this not what the NOR u0boot is for? Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
[snip: me not paying attention and all sorts of folks being helpfull] Ah. It's much happier now. Thanks. -- Noah Romer | Knowledge is power. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available | Power corrupts. by finger or email | ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? | | I did too. I replaced my ASU image on a third ext3 partition on my SD card. | (format partition, copy tar file in /tmp, untar 2008.8 rootfs into partition) | | uImage.bin is on a first FAT partition (didn't try yet to use kernel | on ext3 partition, maybe it works now that I had uboot updated). | Or I even boot using uImage kernel from SDRAM and then rootfs on /mmcblk0p3 | | But the first few boots I could not have USB networking working -at | all-. Now it works, but I don't really know what was wrong. Yes current U-Boot is OK with ext3 parsing to bring the kernel in. If you updated your U-Boot partway through your testing, for a while we put out a U-Boot version that had 50% chance per boot to break USB functionality for the whole session. So I you updated it a few weeks ago and then today, it can be that. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkid/GkACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqioQCfQpoCdE4RHhVL4KVjCawMleTR 9F0AoIXXQD6bSd2USJLYfXhBis5Ho5P7 =dyxz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
|
| But the first few boots I could not have USB networking working -at
| all-. Now it works, but I don't really know what was wrong.
If you updated your U-Boot partway through your testing, for a while we
put out a U-Boot version that had 50% chance per boot to break USB
functionality for the whole session. So I you updated it a few weeks
ago and then today, it can be that.
Well, I'm afraid there could be something else.
Now, I have found a way to boot to OM 2008.8 from SD (actually VFAT +
EXT3).
But I'm too unable to use network over USB now (works fine if
rebooting to 2007.2 in flash).
lsusb reports :
Bus 002 Device 105: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko
Neo1973 kernel cdc_ether USB network
which is fine.
Network on desktop side is correct, but no ping nor ssh find valid
route to destination (192.168.0.202) :(
Still my u-boot is pretty recent :
U-Boot 1.3.2+gitr18+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb (Aug 4 2008 -
02:33:52)
I'm booting with the following env :
bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200
console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot
bootcmd=setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; nand read.e 0x3200
kernel 0x20; bootm 0x3200
bootdelay=1
menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base}
rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit;
fatload mmc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200
menu_2=Set console to USB: setenv stdin usbtty; setenv stdout usbtty; setenv
stderr usbtty
menu_3=Set console to serial: setenv stdin serial; setenv stdout serial; setenv
stderr serial
menu_4=Set console to USB: setenv stdin usbtty; setenv stdout usbtty; setenv
stderr usbtty
menu_5=Set console to serial: setenv stdin serial; setenv stdout serial; setenv
stderr serial
menu_6=Reboot: reset
menu_8=Power off: neo1973 power-off
mtdids=nor0=physmap-flash,nand0=neo1973-nand
mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0f6a(rootfs)
quiet=1
sd_image_name=uImage.bin
splashimage=nand read.e 0x3200 splash 0x5000; unzip 0x3200 0x880
0x96000
stderr=usbtty
stdin=usbtty
stdout=usbtty
usbtty=cdc_acm
menu_9=Boot 200808 from microSD (FAT+ext2): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base}
rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} init=/sbin/init ro;
mmcinit; fatload mmc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200
boot_menu_timeout=9
bootargs=roofstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=tty0 console=ttySAC2,115200
loglevel=8
mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x0004(u-boot_env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x0004(factory),0x0f6a(rootfs)
init=/etc/startup
partition=nor0,0
mtddevnum=0
mtddevname=nor
pcb_rev=0x000
pcf50633_int1=0x80
pcf50633_int2=0x02
Environment size: 1871/262140 bytes
with menu_9 (which only adds init=/sbin/init, as you can see)...
Any idea why USB may still be broken ? Maybe since it's running from
SD instead of from flash ?
Don't tell me we need another hadware fix because of SD access ? ;-)
I actually have no other ideas for diagnostic (no terminal nor other
network connection ;( ).
Best regards,
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Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Now, I have found a way to boot to OM 2008.8 from SD (actually VFAT + | EXT3). | | But I'm too unable to use network over USB now (works fine if | rebooting to 2007.2 in flash). | | lsusb reports : | Bus 002 Device 105: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko Neo1973 kernel cdc_ether USB network | which is fine. Yes if you get that far, it is not the U-Boot problem and no missing modules issue either, so as you say something else. Other people mentioned it after update to 2008.8 but for them it went away. | Network on desktop side is correct, but no ping nor ssh find valid | route to destination (192.168.0.202) :( What does it say for ifconfig usb0 route -n on your host? Also any dmesg that involves USB connection action. | Any idea why USB may still be broken ? Maybe since it's running from | SD instead of from flash ? | | Don't tell me we need another hadware fix because of SD access ? ;-) Oooh no I don't see that one coming :-) USB is not broken since the enumeration action is good, the Ethernet over USB stuff has been stable for a good while: something else is broken for example allocation of IP address on Freerunner side will make this kind of trouble. I recall they were talking about Conman or similar for IP allocation of interfaces maybe it involves that somehow (--- pure guess) | I actually have no other ideas for diagnostic (no terminal nor other | network connection ;( ). A debug board gets you out of that but otherwise... :-/ - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkieDj8ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMp5fwCaAxVS8Qr5gk3oCuJCS4itidtU PnUAnAt87sEcheXkR0RARcaiuTWzY+xl =9pih -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | But the first few boots I could not have USB networking working -at | all-. Now it works, but I don't really know what was wrong. If you updated your U-Boot partway through your testing, for a while we put out a U-Boot version that had 50% chance per boot to break USB functionality for the whole session. So I you updated it a few weeks ago and then today, it can be that. Well, I'm afraid there could be something else. Now, I have found a way to boot to OM 2008.8 from SD (actually VFAT + EXT3). But I'm too unable to use network over USB now (works fine if rebooting to 2007.2 in flash). Still my u-boot is pretty recent : U-Boot 1.3.2+gitr18+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb (Aug 4 2008 - 02:33:52) Any idea why USB may still be broken ? Maybe since it's running from SD instead of from flash ? I kept trying, rebooted, tested, again, again, unplugged USB, replugged... and TADA, at some point it magically worked ! I've typed-in a few commands, got networking (opkg update completed), did a few more things... and ... it's now gone :( # ping 192.168.0.202 PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data. From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable no kernel message on desktop side : usb not unplugged... I guess it's pretty flaky :( But still I see some (slow) progress ;) I guess screen will be my friend. Regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
William Lai wrote: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin One should note that these images are most likely only working with freerunners. At least this is what i think after looking at the file size of the root image. Not very surprising since no ASU build ever worked for me on gta01 even these built for gta01. People, please don't forget Neo 1993! Why abandone the naming scheme for images? -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Congratulations to Openmoko and every one involved, Great Job! I am in office today just for your email (fast internet). you have made my day. -GK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Maybe I should add that the binary Om 2008.8 release is for GTA02 only right now. For GTA01, we have no big plan yet but we will look at it next. The biggest problem that stops us is that we are extremely low on GTA01 phones :-) I am only aware of 1 (ONE) functioning GTA01 in the Taipei office. A bit hard to do development and testing that way. Next week we will look at the Om 2008.8 on GTA01 situation: 1. how many people want this? 2. does anyone in the community step up and compile the distribution for GTA01? (there will be some work: size reduction, GPS chip, etc) 3. can we support or do that from Taipei, do we find enough working GTA01? 4. how much work is it and how fast can we do it? Also, the files on http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/ are a bit confusing. There are 4 files there, but actually only 2. The other 2 are symlinks. The symlinks have no 'gta02' in the name giving you the impression it could be for GTA01 - but it isn't :-) So there are only 2 files, and they only work for GTA02: kernel: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uImage.bin rootfs: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.rootfs.jffs2 Finally, don't ask me where an updated u-boot is. I think we will add it shortly. Best Regards, Wolfgang On Aug 8, 2008, at 7:03 PM, William Lai wrote: Dear Community, We are proud to announce the release of Om 2008.8 for public reviewing. It represents our current state of development over the last 6 months. We came a long way before achieving this milestone. Here is what you can expect: - A stable and working phone stack realized by using Qtopia. - A new and flexible window manager [Illume] that broadens our support for the different graphic libraries, including GTK+ and more. - The whole system software has been reworked which leads to a very fast and reliable suspend resume, LED control and power management. - A graphical frontend [Installer] for package management as installing, removing or updating applications via repositories. - Also included is an application which combines GPS and SMS [Locations] for easy sharing of locations among friends. For detailed information about Om 2008.8 (including instructions, references and currently known issues) check out our wiki at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 Please consider this a next step towards an open end user ready mobile platform. We are not there yet but we will continue working towards that direction. We invite you to install our latest release and give feedback: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin Soon after our release we will publish frequent snapshots of our builds to give you the possibility to follow our development and latest fixes. You can join forces with our QA team by submitting bug reports and/or patches to make the platform as robust as possible. We are excited about this release and look forward to moving together towards upcoming milestones. Best Regards, Openmoko Team ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Le vendredi 08 août 2008 à 19:48 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul a écrit : Maybe I should add that the binary Om 2008.8 release is for GTA02 only right now. For GTA01, we have no big plan yet but we will look at it next. The biggest problem that stops us is that we are extremely low on GTA01 phones :-) I am only aware of 1 (ONE) functioning GTA01 in the Taipei office. A bit hard to do development and testing that way. Next week we will look at the Om 2008.8 on GTA01 situation: 1. how many people want this? 2. does anyone in the community step up and compile the distribution for GTA01? (there will be some work: size reduction, GPS chip, etc) 3. can we support or do that from Taipei, do we find enough working GTA01? 4. how much work is it and how fast can we do it? I really like to have the Om2008.08 on my GTA01. -- Alexandre ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
hi there, leo.studer wrote: Just installed, I must be stupid because I can't see how to shift the keyboard towards figures, so actually I can't enter my SIM pin... that's strange, I must have missed something obvious... Ganesha Krishna wrote: Congratulations to Openmoko and every one involved, Great Job! I am in office today just for your email (fast internet). you have made my day. -GK same here, i can't figure how to pass on numbers so i can't insert pin for sim use, no gsm test is possible... maybe i can't add me to stupid group? also, very congrats to the team, the work appear fantastic, at least at first impression. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Openmoko-Om-2008.8-Release-tp680370p680439.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Maybe I should add that the binary Om 2008.8 release is for GTA02 only right now. Thank you for clearing that. 1. how many people want this? Me :) 3. can we support or do that from Taipei, do we find enough working GTA01? I would happyly exchange mine for a freerunner. *g* -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Sugacapra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi there, leo.studer wrote: Just installed, I must be stupid because I can't see how to shift the keyboard towards figures, so actually I can't enter my SIM pin... that's strange, I must have missed something obvious... Try flicking the keyboard up (sliding your finger up quickly in the keyboard) rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
The same. I was waiting for this day thinking that it will be also version for GTA01. Alexandre Ghisoli wrote: Le vendredi 08 août 2008 à 19:48 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul a écrit : Maybe I should add that the binary Om 2008.8 release is for GTA02 only right now. For GTA01, we have no big plan yet but we will look at it next. The biggest problem that stops us is that we are extremely low on GTA01 phones :-) I am only aware of 1 (ONE) functioning GTA01 in the Taipei office. A bit hard to do development and testing that way. Next week we will look at the Om 2008.8 on GTA01 situation: 1. how many people want this? 2. does anyone in the community step up and compile the distribution for GTA01? (there will be some work: size reduction, GPS chip, etc) 3. can we support or do that from Taipei, do we find enough working GTA01? 4. how much work is it and how fast can we do it? I really like to have the Om2008.08 on my GTA01. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
[quote] Try flicking the keyboard up (sliding your finger up quickly in the keyboard) rakshat [/quote] whoa! thanks a lot and outstanding ! is the first h effect i see truly on my FR :D -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Openmoko-Om-2008.8-Release-tp680370p680457.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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a tar.gz file would be very useful for booting from SD card... On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Sugacapra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [quote] Try flicking the keyboard up (sliding your finger up quickly in the keyboard) rakshat [/quote] whoa! thanks a lot and outstanding ! is the first h effect i see truly on my FR :D -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Openmoko-Om-2008.8-Release-tp680370p680457.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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whoa! thanks a lot and outstanding ! is the first h effect i see truly on my FR :D I like this image so far, it's starting to feel like a real operating system - a*HUGE* thanks from me to everyone involved. Two questions though, related to h effects: 1) Is this the first release to incorporate xglamo? 2) Is this about the best graphic performance we can expect from the Glamo/Freerunner? (not that it's particularly bad, it's just not perfect and I want to know where to set the bar :) ) Aaron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 19:03 +0800, William Lai wrote: Dear Community, We are proud to announce the release of Om 2008.8 for public reviewing. It represents our current state of development over the last 6 months. We came a long way before achieving this milestone. YAA HOO! snip Soon after our release we will publish frequent snapshots of our builds to give you the possibility to follow our development and latest fixes. You can join forces with our QA team by submitting bug reports and/or patches to make the platform as robust as possible. Will it also be possible to follow development through package updates? Thanks for all the work! digger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a tar.gz file would be very useful for booting from SD card... I guess you may convert the contents of the JFFS2 to a tarball by following bits explained here : http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage/ In particular somthing like this on a desktop GNU/Linux (if you run 2.6 kernel) : mknod /tmp/mtdblock0 b 31 0 modprobe loop losetup /dev/loop0 Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 modprobe mtdblock modprobe block2mtd echo /dev/loop0 /sys/module/block2mtd/parameters/block2mtd modprobe jffs2 mount -t jffs2 /tmp/mtdblock0 /media/jffs2 USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISKS ;) Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a tar.gz file would be very useful for booting from SD card... I guess you may convert the contents of the JFFS2 to a tarball by following bits explained here : http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage/ In particular somthing like this on a desktop GNU/Linux (if you run 2.6 kernel) : mknod /tmp/mtdblock0 b 31 0 modprobe loop losetup /dev/loop0 Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 modprobe mtdblock modprobe block2mtd echo /dev/loop0 /sys/module/block2mtd/parameters/block2mtd modprobe jffs2 mount -t jffs2 /tmp/mtdblock0 /media/jffs2 USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISKS ;) I've just tried and install it like that on the SD's ext3 partition, and copied the kernel to the first partition (VFAT). But after booting, I'm stuck with a : Kernel panic - not syncing: No int found. Try passing init= option to kernel. Too bad :( I'll have to flash ? Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Maybe can help reflashing your u-boot with some actual version... On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a tar.gz file would be very useful for booting from SD card... I guess you may convert the contents of the JFFS2 to a tarball by following bits explained here : http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage/ In particular somthing like this on a desktop GNU/Linux (if you run 2.6 kernel) : mknod /tmp/mtdblock0 b 31 0 modprobe loop losetup /dev/loop0 Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 modprobe mtdblock modprobe block2mtd echo /dev/loop0 /sys/module/block2mtd/parameters/block2mtd modprobe jffs2 mount -t jffs2 /tmp/mtdblock0 /media/jffs2 USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISKS ;) I've just tried and install it like that on the SD's ext3 partition, and copied the kernel to the first partition (VFAT). But after booting, I'm stuck with a : Kernel panic - not syncing: No int found. Try passing init= option to kernel. Too bad :( I'll have to flash ? Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
I just change from FSO to OM 2008.8 and I think keyboard is not good as in FSO. I mean, i need full-qwerty-with enter and backspace and arrows. Keyboard layout switching with sliding works great. Backspacing with sliding is cool but I think there should be button too. I installed illume-conf, why there are no preinstalled keyboard? I installed xterm and openmoko-terminal2. When I'm typing, the text not go to terminal, instead it is collected top of keyboard and goes untill I choose them. -AR -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Openmoko-Om-2008.8-Release-tp680370p680819.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 02:27:41PM +0200, Yorick Moko wrote: a tar.gz file would be very useful for booting from SD card... Hi, I put the tar.gz file and hopes it helps :-) http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.rootfs.tar.gz by the way, is uboot file necessary ? Best Regards, -Ju1ian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, by the way, is uboot file necessary ? I think it would be nice to have everything in one place. :-) Marek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Friday 08 August 2008 13:03:32 William Lai wrote: Dear Community, We are proud to announce the release of Om 2008.8 for public reviewing. It represents our current state of development over the last 6 months. We came a long way before achieving this milestone. Here is what you can expect: I think this should be additionally announced at the announce mailing list. Thanks for everything Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Thanks for the update but its got a few issues. For starters why was the terminal removed from the default image? This is a beta linux device, there are a ton of time having a terminal is a good thing. And I'm not always someplace I can plug it in. Second, whats with the constant run to hibernate in 6 seconds? Even if plugged into USB, it hibernates. And why does it drop the USB-net connection when it hibernates? While this release is prettier, I haven't been able to even make one call with it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Will this be shipping with the next batch of Freerunners? -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
People, please don't forget Neo 1993! +1 from me .. i have two neo's, one of them is broken, and i -still- hang on to hope that they will be useful somehow .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
a tar.gz file would be very useful for booting from SD card... yeah in fact i would favour a less dfu-util'y approach to these public releases, and say .. make the boot-from-SD the norm, rather than an exception, leaving dfu-.. for 'factory default boot config'. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed and on the screen of my Freerunner, it says, End of write exceeds partition end. Should I just re-flash the 2007.2 u-boot image? Thanks. -- Noah Romer | Knowledge is power. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available | Power corrupts. by finger or email | ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
uImage is the kernel not uBoot. dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin -Nick Noah Romer wrote: using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed and on the screen of my Freerunner, it says, End of write exceeds partition end. Should I just re-flash the 2007.2 u-boot image? Thanks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
2008/8/8 Noah Romer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed and on the screen of my Freerunner, it says, End of write exceeds partition end. Should I just re-flash the 2007.2 u-boot image? Thanks. -- Noah Romer | Knowledge is power. snip I believe that is the kernel image. I'm using a u-boot image from the buildhost ... I think this one, but I'm not positive: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Noah Romer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it Thats the kernel. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
