Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
[...]
Thanks for this. Where exactly did you change it? I grepped 'Os' and 'O2'
in openembedded/recipes/qt4/* but found neither.
-O seems no to be set in CFLAGS under qt4/
I do not know if this is the right way, just digged in bitbake sources
and added to local.conf the line:
FULL_OPTIMIZATION_pn-qt4-x11-free = -fexpensive-optimizations
-fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -O2
Niko
Hi Niko!
Thanks a lot, that did it! I wonder why it is not integrated by default though.
...definition and registration of FSOResourceStatus struct ...
I also try to connect to the ResourceChanged signal from ousaged which has a
more complex signature and it reports that signal would not exist.
I use the following code to display all signals/methods on ousaged interface:
usageInterface = new QDBusInterface(org.freesmartphone.ousaged,
/org/freesmartphone/Usage, org.freesmartphone.Usage,
QDBusConnection::systemBus(), this);
if(usageInterface-isValid()) {
const QMetaObject* metaObject = usageInterface-metaObject();
qDebug() \norg.freesmartphone.Usage methods:;
for(int i = metaObject-methodOffset(); i
metaObject-methodCount(); ++i)
qDebug()
QString::fromLatin1(metaObject-method(i).signature()) [
(metaObject-method(i).methodType()==1?signal:method) ];
connect(usageInterface,
SIGNAL(ResourceChanged(FSOResourceStatus)), this,
SLOT(handleStatusChange(FSOResourceStatus)));
}
output is:
org.freesmartphone.Usage methods:
GetResourcePolicy(QString) [ method ]
GetResourceState(QString) [ method ]
GetResourceUsers(QString) [ method ]
ListResources() [ method ]
Reboot() [ method ]
RegisterResource(QString,QDBusObjectPath) [ method ]
ReleaseResource(QString) [ method ]
RequestResource(QString) [ method ]
ResourceAvailable(QString,bool) [ signal ]
SetResourcePolicy(QString,QString) [ method ]
Shutdown() [ method ]
Suspend() [ method ]
SystemAction(QString) [ signal ]
UnregisterResource(QString) [ method ]
initResources() [ method ]
Object::connect: No such signal
org::freesmartphone::Usage::ResourceChanged(FSOResourceStatus)
As you can see, the ResourceChanged signal is not listed (neither on my FR nor
on my PC), but with qdbusviewer I can connect to it and receive the signal:
Received signal from :1.17, path /org/freesmartphone/Usage, interface
org.freesmartphone.Usage, member ResourceChanged
Arguments: GPS, true, [Argument: a{sv} {policy = [Variant(QString):
auto], refcount = [Variant(int): 1]}]
Any ideas how I can investigate further?
Thanks.
Christian
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Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
[...] As you can see, the ResourceChanged signal is not listed (neither on my FR nor on my PC), but with qdbusviewer I can connect to it and receive the signal: It seems the signature is wrong. In a my working snippet I used (with QDBusConnection::connect): dbus-connect(OUSAGED_SERVICE,OUSAGED_PATH,OUSAGED_INTERFACE,ResourceChanged,this,SLOT(resourceChanged(QString,bool,QVariantMap))); where resourceChanged has the following signature: void resourceChanged(QString name, bool state, QVariantMap attributes); Hoping it helps. Niko Thanks. Using QDBusConnection did it. Using this signature (QString,bool,QVariantMap) with my dbus interface does not work though. My struct (FSOResourceStatus) was defined as QString,bool,MapQVariant but did not work. Nevertheless, using only a connection and no struct but Qt datatypes directly as you stated above does the job. But it still makes me wonder why it does not work with a QDBusInterface... Cheers, Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Christian Rüb christian.r...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Nevertheless, using only a connection and no struct but Qt datatypes directly as you stated above does the job. But it still makes me wonder why it does not work with a QDBusInterface... It may be that the qdbusinterface constructor has problem in parsing the dbus signature to autocreate the right slot, but it looks strange to me too, as the three types should be natively supported by qtdbus module, should ask on the qt-interest list. Niko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
I'm late but I have both QtExtended 4.4.3 and QtEmbedded 4.5 on shr running a program using QtDBus. Mickael. Nicola Mfb a écrit : On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Christian Rüb christian.r...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Nevertheless, using only a connection and no struct but Qt datatypes directly as you stated above does the job. But it still makes me wonder why it does not work with a QDBusInterface... It may be that the qdbusinterface constructor has problem in parsing the dbus signature to autocreate the right slot, but it looks strange to me too, as the three types should be natively supported by qtdbus module, should ask on the qt-interest list. Niko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
Am Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 schrieb Christian Rüb: Hi, I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem Code snippet: ... deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default, org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device, QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); ... connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int))); I want to pass the signal on to use it somewhere else in my application... now when starting my application I get: Object::connect: No such signal org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int) but mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy lists: [SIGNAL]org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.FixStatusChanged( i:fixstatus ) Do you have any idea what is going wrong? You can find the full code here: http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qgpslog;a=blob;f=src/gypsy.cpp;h=27014f72b3705c6439e10d9130c8c03f8cd9bfdf;hb=HEAD Thanks for any help. Cheers, Christian Sorry for replying to myself, but after installing fso on my laptop and starting my application there the signal connection DOES work. So I guess it's related with Qt on my Freerunner... I tested it with GPS Dummy device and received the FixStatusChanged signal. Also dbusviewer showed objects paths and signals/methods there. I built Qt4 for SHR-unstable with SHR Makefile, Qt 4.5.2. Does anyone have a Qt version running on SHR where connection signals DOES work? Thanks, Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Christian Rüb christian.r...@gmx.net wrote: [...] I built Qt4 for SHR-unstable with SHR Makefile, Qt 4.5.2. Does anyone have a Qt version running on SHR where connection signals DOES work? Just a shot in the dark. Building Qt on shr some time ago (but already on the shr/merge branch) resulted in unstable behaviour, I had to replace -Os with -O2 as suggested from a gentle guy having the same issue on gentoo. I reported that on oe.dev, but do not know if it was applyed, and above all if it's related to your problem. Anyway I'm using a lot dbus with qt and got no problem, cannot help much with QDBusInterface, I use QDBusConnection::connect directly. Finally you may use QMetaObject to retrieve the full list of signals exported by the QDBusInterface, this may help in debugging. Regards Niko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
[...] I built Qt4 for SHR-unstable with SHR Makefile, Qt 4.5.2. Does anyone have a Qt version running on SHR where connection signals DOES work? Just a shot in the dark. Building Qt on shr some time ago (but already on the shr/merge branch) resulted in unstable behaviour, I had to replace -Os with -O2 as suggested from a gentle guy having the same issue on gentoo. I reported that on oe.dev, but do not know if it was applyed, and above all if it's related to your problem. Anyway I'm using a lot dbus with qt and got no problem, cannot help much with QDBusInterface, I use QDBusConnection::connect directly. Finally you may use QMetaObject to retrieve the full list of signals exported by the QDBusInterface, this may help in debugging. Regards Niko Thanks for this. Where exactly did you change it? I grepped 'Os' and 'O2' in openembedded/recipes/qt4/* but found neither. -O seems no to be set in CFLAGS under qt4/ Cheers, Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Christian Rüb christian.r...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Thanks for this. Where exactly did you change it? I grepped 'Os' and 'O2' in openembedded/recipes/qt4/* but found neither. -O seems no to be set in CFLAGS under qt4/ I do not know if this is the right way, just digged in bitbake sources and added to local.conf the line: FULL_OPTIMIZATION_pn-qt4-x11-free = -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -O2 Niko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
Hi, I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem Code snippet: ... deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default, org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device, QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); ... connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int))); I want to pass the signal on to use it somewhere else in my application... now when starting my application I get: Object::connect: No such signal org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int) but mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy lists: [SIGNAL]org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.FixStatusChanged( i:fixstatus ) Do you have any idea what is going wrong? You can find the full code here: http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qgpslog;a=blob;f=src/gypsy.cpp;h=27014f72b3705c6439e10d9130c8c03f8cd9bfdf;hb=HEAD Thanks for any help. Cheers, Christian Hi! Quick response, I don't have a lot of time, here is an example of connection to fso in Qt : m_db_ressourceManager = new QDBusInterface(org.freesmartphone.ogpsd, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy,, QDBusConnection::systemBus()); connect (m_db_ressourceManager,SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)),this,SLOT(fixStatusChanged(int))); Try : new QDBusInterface(org. freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default, , QDBusConnection::systemBus()); Then connect to the signal. Many dbus examples are in the Qalee tree : http://think-free83.homelinux.org/project/qalee/trunk/ And on the wiki there is some informations : http://www.qalee.org -- -- Openmoko phone gui : http://www.qalee.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
On Friday 08 January 2010 12:52:14 Christian Rüb wrote: Hi, I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem Code snippet: ... deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default, org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device, QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); ... connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int))); try this: ... deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy, /default, org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device, QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); Qt doesn't need the full path for the node again. Here you find some very useful QtDBus examples: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials#D-Bus Not sure if you know about qdbusviewer. It comes with your Qt4 installation and helps you a lot debugging and understanding DBus. Hope this helps. Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
In Qt you must connect a signal to a slot. Looking your code : connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int))); You try to connect a signal to a signal ! It should be : connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SLOT(fixChanged(int))); Be careful you fixChanged(int) method is declared as slot in your header Christophe M a écrit : Hi, I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem Code snippet: ... deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default, org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device, QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); ... connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int))); I want to pass the signal on to use it somewhere else in my application... now when starting my application I get: Object::connect: No such signal org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int) but mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy lists: [SIGNAL]org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.FixStatusChanged( i:fixstatus ) Do you have any idea what is going wrong? You can find the full code here: http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qgpslog;a=blob;f=src/gypsy.cpp;h=27014f72b3705c6439e10d9130c8c03f8cd9bfdf;hb=HEAD Thanks for any help. Cheers, Christian Hi! Quick response, I don't have a lot of time, here is an example of connection to fso in Qt : m_db_ressourceManager = new QDBusInterface(org.freesmartphone.ogpsd, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy,, QDBusConnection::systemBus()); connect (m_db_ressourceManager,SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)),this,SLOT(fixStatusChanged(int))); Try : new QDBusInterface(org. freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default, , QDBusConnection::systemBus()); Then connect to the signal. Many dbus examples are in the Qalee tree : http://think-free83.homelinux.org/project/qalee/trunk/ And on the wiki there is some informations : http://www.qalee.org -- -- Openmoko phone gui : http://www.qalee.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
On Friday, 8. January 2010 13:01:40 Christophe M wrote: Hi, I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem Code snippet: ... deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default, org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device, QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); ... connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int))); I want to pass the signal on to use it somewhere else in my application... now when starting my application I get: Object::connect: No such signal org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int) but mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy lists: [SIGNAL]org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.FixStatusChanged( i:fixstatus ) Do you have any idea what is going wrong? You can find the full code here: http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qgpslog;a=blob;f=src/gypsy.cpp;h=27014f72b3705c6439e10d9130c8c03f8cd9bfdf;hb=HEAD Thanks for any help. Cheers, Christian Hi! Quick response, I don't have a lot of time, here is an example of connection to fso in Qt : m_db_ressourceManager = new QDBusInterface(org.freesmartphone.ogpsd, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy,, QDBusConnection::systemBus()); connect (m_db_ressourceManager,SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)),this,SLOT(fixStatusChanged(int))); Try : new QDBusInterface(org. freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default, , QDBusConnection::systemBus()); Then connect to the signal. Many dbus examples are in the Qalee tree : http://think-free83.homelinux.org/project/qalee/trunk/ And on the wiki there is some informations : http://www.qalee.org Thanks for this - so you are using a different object path - will try this later. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
Hi, thanks for your reply, but it is possible to connect a signal to a signal [1] and that is exactly what I want. It is even possible to connect a signal directly to another signal. [1] http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/signalsandslots.html On Friday, 8. January 2010 13:27:32 Mickael Labrousse wrote: In Qt you must connect a signal to a slot. Looking your code : connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int))); You try to connect a signal to a signal ! It should be : connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SLOT(fixChanged(int))); Be careful you fixChanged(int) method is declared as slot in your header ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
I didn't know, my bad ;) Christian Rüb a écrit : Hi, thanks for your reply, but it is possible to connect a signal to a signal [1] and that is exactly what I want. It is even possible to connect a signal directly to another signal. [1] http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/signalsandslots.html On Friday, 8. January 2010 13:27:32 Mickael Labrousse wrote: In Qt you must connect a signal to a slot. Looking your code : connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int))); You try to connect a signal to a signal ! It should be : connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SLOT(fixChanged(int))); Be careful you fixChanged(int) method is declared as slot in your header ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
Am Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 schrieb Christophe M: Hi, I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem Code snippet: ... deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default, org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device, QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); ... connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int))); I want to pass the signal on to use it somewhere else in my application... now when starting my application I get: Object::connect: No such signal org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int) but mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy lists: [SIGNAL]org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.FixStatusChanged( i:fixstatus ) Do you have any idea what is going wrong? You can find the full code here: http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qgpslog;a=blob;f=src/gypsy.cpp;h=27014f72b3705c6439e10d9130c8c03f8cd9bfdf;hb=HEAD Thanks for any help. Cheers, Christian Hi! Quick response, I don't have a lot of time, here is an example of connection to fso in Qt : m_db_ressourceManager = new QDBusInterface(org.freesmartphone.ogpsd, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy,, QDBusConnection::systemBus()); connect (m_db_ressourceManager,SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)),this,SLOT(fixStatusChanged(int))); Try : new QDBusInterface(org. freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default, , QDBusConnection::systemBus()); Then connect to the signal. Many dbus examples are in the Qalee tree : http://think-free83.homelinux.org/project/qalee/trunk/ And on the wiki there is some informations : http://www.qalee.org I tried: QDBusInterface *m_db_ressourceManager = new QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy,, QDBusConnection::systemBus()); QDBusMessage message = m_db_ressourceManager-call(GetPosition); qDebug() message message; connect (m_db_ressourceManager,SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)),this,SLOT(showFix(int))); but get: message QDBusMessage(type=Error, service=, error name=org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied, error message=Rejected send message, 4 matched rules; type=method_call, sender=:1.42 (uid=0 pid=2202 comm=./qgpslog) interface=(unset) member=GetPosition error name=(unset) requested_reply=0 destination=org.freedesktop.Gypsy (uid=0 pid=1554 comm=python)), signature=, contents=([]) ) Object::connect: No such signal QDBusInterface::FixStatusChanged(int) I also tried to to change my interface to use org.freesmartphone.ogpsd as service name and tried different settings for object path: /default /org/freedesktop/Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default None with success. Note I am using SHR unstable and compiled qt 4.5.2 from OE without modifications. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT and dbus - no such signal
Am Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 schrieb Michael Zanetti: On Friday 08 January 2010 12:52:14 Christian Rüb wrote: Hi, I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem Code snippet: ... deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default, org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device, QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); ... connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int))); try this: ... deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy, /default, org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device, QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); Qt doesn't need the full path for the node again. Here you find some very useful QtDBus examples: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials#D-Bus Not sure if you know about qdbusviewer. It comes with your Qt4 installation and helps you a lot debugging and understanding DBus. Hope this helps. Michael Thanks Michael, tried your suggestion: deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy, /default, org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device, QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int))); qDebug() testcall deviceInterface-call(GetFixStatus); the result was the same :( Object::connect: No such signal org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int) I already came across the page you mentioned - that's where I got connect to a dbus signal from... Yes, I know qdbusviewer, I tried it on my Freerunner but it does not dispaly anything but the service names :( same for qdbus Calling a method on the above interface also gives an error: testcall QDBusMessage(type=Error, service=, error name=org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod, error message=Method GetFixStatus with signature on interface org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device doesn't exist , signature=, contents=([]) ) trying with deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface(org.freedesktop.Gypsy, /org/freedesktop/Gypsy, org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device, QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int))); qDebug() testcall deviceInterface-call(GetFixStatus); I get: Object::connect: No such signal org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int) testcall QDBusMessage(type=MethodReturn, service=:1.15, signature=i, contents=(1) ) So at least the function call works here - but not the signal. Any ideas? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
