Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-03-02 Thread Helge Hafting
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i really suggest you have a better look at the code. it uses timepoints. Good advice. Critic based on assumptions isn't good enough. Still, the problem remain. The user interface is a bit on the slow side. And it doesn't have to - simplified themes are

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-03-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:44:12 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i really suggest you have a better look at the code. it uses timepoints. Good advice. Critic based on assumptions isn't good enough. Still, the problem remain. The user

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-03-02 Thread Petr Vanek
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:44:01 +1100 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com (CH(R) wrote: remember you are just getting e's default upstream theme - it actually works just fine on the more modern devices i have (omap3, 6410 etc.) Raster, what devices are those? Do they feature a gsm

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-03-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:01:51 +0100 Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz said: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:44:01 +1100 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com (CH(R) wrote: remember you are just getting e's default upstream theme - it actually works just fine on the more modern devices i have

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-03-02 Thread Petr Vanek
Raster, what devices are those? Do they feature a gsm device too? maybe. maybe not. this is the point where you will just be guessing. :) :) OK, i understand. cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-03-01 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Joel Newkirk wrote: BTW - the speed with which those icons scroll is how fast the main Illume icons /should/ be able to be dragged, but with the Illume theme as it currently stands (with FSO M5 and SHR at least) each 'desktop' icon is adorned with multiple transparent PNG files layered to

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:31:43 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:43:59 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: [...] As I said, I'm guessing, but when I removed the extra PNG images and leav just

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:43:00 -0500 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us said: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:43:59 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: With the default.edj theme (Illume doesn't override it for Fileman, which includes Illume icons) every icon

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Once again I write about something I shouldn't write about at all since I don't know how it works. I could be very, very wrong here... just guessing: I got a feeling that no calculation (no effects) is faster than this optimal code. OM2008.0808 and earlier was quite fast and I think adding all

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-27 Thread robert lazarski
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:31:43 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Joel Newkirk wrote: When I try to impress people with the FR, I show them cool apps like linball. Not the icon interface.

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-27 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Xavier Cremaschi wrote: 3. SHR Panels : some panels in 'Settings' hang when I click on them (GSM/operators for example) I'd suggest you to use the Software-X11-16 engine also for elementary and not only for Enlightenment (where can be set by the configuration - Advanced - engine). To use it

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-27 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 21:26, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net wrote: ELM_ENGINE=x16 No - it should be: ELM_ENGINE=x11-16 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-27 Thread Hendrik Siedelmann
2009/2/27, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 21:26, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net wrote: ELM_ENGINE=x16 No - it should be: ELM_ENGINE=x11-16 x11-16, x16, software-16-x11, software_16_x11 will all work ... hendrik

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:13:39 -0300 robert lazarski robertlazar...@gmail.com said: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:31:43 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Joel Newkirk wrote: When I try

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:16:39 +0100 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen quat...@gmail.com said: Once again I write about something I shouldn't write about at all since I don't know how it works. I could be very, very wrong here... just guessing: I got a feeling that no calculation (no effects) is

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-26 Thread Helge Hafting
Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Helge Hafting a écrit : Remove the file /etc/freesmartphone/persist/ogpsd.pickle then, restart frameword or just reboot. (Restarting frameworkd sometimes cause trouble with the phone side instead). ogpsd.pickle is where gps information is saved in order to speed up

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-26 Thread Pander
Helge Hafting wrote: Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Helge Hafting a écrit : Remove the file /etc/freesmartphone/persist/ogpsd.pickle then, restart frameword or just reboot. (Restarting frameworkd sometimes cause trouble with the phone side instead). ogpsd.pickle is where gps information is saved

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-26 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:49, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Is openmoko-agpsui still an up to date tool for SHR to manage the GPS operation? No. Use Zhone for that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-26 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
Helge Hafting a écrit : For example: telnet localhost gpsd r You should get at least one message per second after hitting enter after the r - whether you have a fix or not. Already done, 1 msg/second, always the same (no fix inside, no numerical values) You may also want to try grep

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-26 Thread Helge Hafting
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:43:59 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: [...] As I said, I'm guessing, but when I removed the extra PNG images and leav just one, enlightenment average CPU drops and the display is more responsive. The glass

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-26 Thread William Kenworthy
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 11:31 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:43:59 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: ... the good ones as well. :-( Maybe we ought to use a modified duke nukem as an app launcher

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-26 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:31:43 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:43:59 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: [...] As I said, I'm guessing, but when I removed the extra PNG images and leav

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-26 Thread Hendrik Siedelmann
2009/2/26 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no: Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:43:59 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: [...] As I said, I'm guessing, but when I removed the extra PNG images and leav just one, enlightenment average CPU drops

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-25 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
Carl Lobo a écrit : Is fso-gpsd running? Try restarting it from Settings/Services. GPS seems to be working fine for me with my last update on Monday.. Yes of course, - date and timezone ok - persist file removed - fso-gpsd restarted - no concurrent gpsd running - telnet localhost 2947 ok but

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-25 Thread Helge Hafting
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:19:37 +0800 HouYu Li kara...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds amazing. But where can we get the serenity.edj theme??? Nowhere right now, I'm working on it. I've gotten a few thing just how I want them, others as yet untouched, and occasional bugs.

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-25 Thread Helge Hafting
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:32:09 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Yorick Moko wrote: I (and surely others) am working on a leaner, faster theme - any eye-candy that distinctly impacts the user experience should NOT be default, and in this case we desperately

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-25 Thread Helge Hafting
Fernando Martins wrote: Xavier Cremaschi wrote: I cannot make it working. Hardware is ok since it worked with Om2008.8, timezone/time is good, but no fix... 'telnet localhost 2947' always output same 'empty' data. Someone recently (2 weeks ago or so) posted some steps to solve this.

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-25 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:50, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Remove the file /etc/freesmartphone/persist/ogpsd.pickle then, restart frameword or just reboot. (Restarting frameworkd sometimes cause trouble with the phone side instead). I've just commited to shr-settings ability to

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-25 Thread Petr Vanek
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:10:12 +0100 Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com (JT) wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:50, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Remove the file /etc/freesmartphone/persist/ogpsd.pickle then, restart frameword or just reboot. (Restarting frameworkd sometimes cause

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-25 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 13:18, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: just curious - how long does it take for it to boil all through the way into packages for opkg uppgrade? (of course i can get a git snapshot immediately) I don't know, but package is now updated in my repo (compatible with

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-25 Thread Petr Vanek
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:24:18 +0100 Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com (JT) wrote: cd /etc/opkg wget http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/feed/shr-unstable-pl.conf Dziękuję bardzo :) btw watch for the line wraps whoever wants to use the above :) uff, these are tons of updates!

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-25 Thread Leonti Bielski
Finally I found a repo with working links-x11! Dziękuję indeed. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:24:18 +0100 Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com (JT) wrote: cd /etc/opkg wget

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-25 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
Helge Hafting a écrit : Remove the file /etc/freesmartphone/persist/ogpsd.pickle then, restart frameword or just reboot. (Restarting frameworkd sometimes cause trouble with the phone side instead). ogpsd.pickle is where gps information is saved in order to speed up the next activation of

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-25 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:43:59 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: With the default.edj theme (Illume doesn't override it for Fileman, which includes Illume icons) every icon on the 'desktop' initially displays just the icon image, be it png, jpg, animated

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-24 Thread Helge Hafting
Russell Hay wrote: Just FYI - if you use the arrows on either end of the 'submenu' you only get Display Look Screen Input ...but you CAN swipe left or right across them to reveal the additional options.. Damn well hidden though! Indeed. I now found the advanced setting. The

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-24 Thread Helge Hafting
Yorick Moko wrote: I (and surely others) am working on a leaner, faster theme - any eye-candy that distinctly impacts the user experience should NOT be default, and in this case we desperately need a simple and fast theme as the default or the immediate impression users will get is: Damn,

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-24 Thread Helge Hafting
Carl Lobo wrote: Which ones are good candidates? - disable drop shadow - framerate to 25 or 24 (whar is default for movies?) Disabling drop shadow reduced cpu usage for me. But I had to manually rename (could have deleted it) the module.dropshadow.cfg in both

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-24 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
1. wifi : Wifi Mofi hangs when I run it 3. SHR Panels : some panels in 'Settings' hang when I click on them (GSM/operators for example) 4. Everything is slow Seem better since yesterday evening upgrade, but it still very hard to scroll on desktop. 2. gps : GPS cannot fix I cannot

GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-24 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:32:09 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Yorick Moko wrote: I (and surely others) am working on a leaner, faster theme - any eye-candy that distinctly impacts the user experience should NOT be default, and in this case we desperately need a simple and

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-24 Thread Fernando Martins
Xavier Cremaschi wrote: I cannot make it working. Hardware is ok since it worked with Om2008.8, timezone/time is good, but no fix... 'telnet localhost 2947' always output same 'empty' data. Someone recently (2 weeks ago or so) posted some steps to solve this. Unfortunately I didn't

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-24 Thread HouYu Li
Sounds amazing. But where can we get the serenity.edj theme??? On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:32:09 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Yorick Moko wrote: I (and surely others) am working on a leaner, faster

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-24 Thread Carl Lobo
Is fso-gpsd running? Try restarting it from Settings/Services. GPS seems to be working fine for me with my last update on Monday.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-24 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:19:37 +0800 HouYu Li kara...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds amazing. But where can we get the serenity.edj theme??? Nowhere right now, I'm working on it. I've gotten a few thing just how I want them, others as yet untouched, and occasional bugs. Started with illume.edj,

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes
This is apparently an issue with recent SHR/FSO, my not quite perfect fix was to go into the illume settings thingy (i.e. the wrench menu) and set the framerate to 5 rather than 30, turn off drop shadows, and to change the render mode from software to software_16. I don't have the freerunner

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Paul
I don't have the freerunner nearby, so I can't check where in the menu you find these things, but I think the framerate is at the bottom of the first menu, the drop shadow under appearance or similar near the end, and the render engine in the advance tab of this? Can anyone confirm? You

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes
Ah - what I forgot to mention is that this brought illume down to about 5-8% - which is ok-ish, but not great when it's idle and really just sitting there. The rasterman has previously said it has been at about 0.2% when idle. Also, there is a ticket for this:

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:14, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com wrote: I have some problems with : 1. wifi : Wifi Mofi hangs when I run it 2. gps : GPS cannot fix 3. SHR Panels : some panels in 'Settings' hang when I click on them (GSM/operators for example) 4. Everything is slow 1.

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Nicola Mfb
2009/2/23, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com: [...] About another things - change render mode to software_16, unload drop shadow module and maybe change framerate. This is becoming boring... why is it not the default? Nicola ___ Openmoko

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Helge Hafting
Paul wrote: I don't have the freerunner nearby, so I can't check where in the menu you find these things, but I think the framerate is at the bottom of the first menu, the drop shadow under appearance or similar near the end, and the render engine in the advance tab of this? Can anyone

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes
The UI here is not so intuitive, but you might find that the menu bar has arrows at the side that brings up more options? in either case, the advanced thing is a sub menu, have you looked under screen? I use plain FSO, but I guess illume is the same? - Gunnar Helge Hafting wrote: Paul wrote:

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
I can hit the wrench and see: Display Look Screen Input No advanced at all. You can scroll horizontally. I have lots of item in this bar in my SHR (unstable installed yesterday) Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Yorick Moko
i have shr unstable from 09/02 and i can confirm that there is no advance entry under screen the top bar only shows: display look screen and input I know there used to be an option to change the software rendering, but can't find it on this image... y On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Xavier

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Helge Hafting
Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes wrote: The UI here is not so intuitive, but you might find that the menu bar has arrows at the side that brings up more options? I know about those, and I need them to see the Input item. There is nothing more hidden to the right of that though. in either case, the

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes
So I wonder - would it be safe to tell opkg about the FSO repository as well, and upgrade to get the newest from both places? Or will that likely break most of the stuff I care about, such as phone and gps functionality? I'm afraid I have no idea. Try it and see? :) I wonder if the illume

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Russell Hay
Just FYI - if you use the arrows on either end of the 'submenu' you only get Display Look Screen Input ...but you CAN swipe left or right across them to reveal the additional options.. Damn well hidden though! 2009/2/23 Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grim...@dfki.de So I wonder - would

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Pander
Nicola Mfb wrote: 2009/2/23, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com: [...] About another things - change render mode to software_16, unload drop shadow module and maybe change framerate. This is becoming boring... why is it not the default? Could somebody please collect all these

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Leonti Bielski
I'm not sure It's a good idea for everyone. Personally I prefer SOFTWARE engine and not SOFTWARE_16 because of quality of image. Leonti On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Nicola Mfb wrote: 2009/2/23, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com: [...] About

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Pander
Which ones are good candidates? - disable drop shadow - framerate to 25 or 24 (whar is default for movies?) - Leonti Bielski wrote: I'm not sure It's a good idea for everyone. Personally I prefer SOFTWARE engine and not SOFTWARE_16 because of quality of image. Leonti On Mon, Feb 23,

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread xChris
I think that framerate is for the illume and not for media players, right? Pander-2 wrote: Which ones are good candidates? - disable drop shadow - framerate to 25 or 24 (whar is default for movies?) - ... -- View this message in context:

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Joel Newkirk
For those looking for the 'Advanced' settings: Grab and drag the row of icons at the top from right to left and you should find, altogether: Display Look Screen Input Language Settings Advanced Extensions AFAIK the arrows don't even work, when you tap the right-hand arrow you are effectively

Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?

2009-02-23 Thread Yorick Moko
I (and surely others) am working on a leaner, faster theme - any eye-candy that distinctly impacts the user experience should NOT be default, and in this case we desperately need a simple and fast theme as the default or the immediate impression users will get is: Damn, this is slow! nice