Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-20 Thread Steve Mosher
bingo Michele Renda wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This type of comments are the type of comment that I hate most of all. Please let the people to work in peace, and if you want to make an appoint, please make in a constructive way. We all was knowing that OM

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-20 Thread Paul Buede
Since we're top posting... I just want to throw in that I really like OM 2008.8. After seeing all the problems people had with it when it came out I went to the newest Qtopia but I had issues with reception and using devices like headsets/speakerphone. I then decided to try OM 2008.8. At first the

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-15 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Fights, flamewars and other disputes are part of a live community, so Not the good part. Collaboration, cooperation, and positive attitudes are the only thing that really count. Most of what I read on our community

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
pfff... this rant is pointless. Do you prefer to see unterminated but promising software NOW, or finished, not evolving software in LONG future? buggy software is just a way to non buggy software. At least you can see what is done now. If you don't like it, go back to your iphone/windows

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This type of comments are the type of comment that I hate most of all. Please let the people to work in peace, and if you want to make an appoint, please make in a constructive way. We all was knowing that OM 2008.8 was in very early development,

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Cédric Berger
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:54, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pfff... this rant is pointless. Do you prefer to see unterminated but promising software NOW, or finished, not evolving software in LONG future? buggy software is just a way to non buggy software. At least you can

Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread BrendaWang
Wendy 提到: Dear community, here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 was released. We simply forgot to send this report to a public list because we were too busy with the release preparations. Sorry. More details about our bugs can be found in our bug tracker

Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Dale Maggee
Wendy, I'd really like to be notified when these bugs are fixed, specifically: - Some of the testing phone can not make phone calls but can receive/send SMS??? (With alert messageno network) - Two of our phone can not wake up from suspend time. These are the two major issues which made me

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
It's easy to blame an announcement. Openmoko NEVER said any software realeased as now was 100% ready for daily customer use. When it will become, be sure the announcement and publicity will be far greater than anyone we had up to now. Keeping hope is good, but expecting what was never promised

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 +1 Sébastien Lorquet wrote: It's easy to blame an announcement. Openmoko NEVER said any software realeased as now was 100% ready for daily customer use. When it will become, be sure the announcement and publicity will be far greater than

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Norbert Hartl
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 12:25 +0200, Sébastien Lorquet wrote: It's easy to blame an announcement. +10 Openmoko NEVER said any software realeased as now was 100% ready for daily customer use. I don't think that counts. This no excuse because people automatically expect things. So you don't

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Marek Lindner
On Wednesday, 13. August 2008 18:02:35 Michele Renda wrote: People like you bring firms to have a close development process. Following our new trac culture: +1 Marek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Norbert Hartl
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 20:20 +1000, Dale Maggee wrote: Wendy, I'd really like to be notified when these bugs are fixed, specifically: - Some of the testing phone can not make phone calls but can receive/send SMS??? (With alert messageno network) - Two of our phone can not wake up from

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Olivier Berger
Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This type of comments are the type of comment that I hate most of all. Please let the people to work in peace, and if you want to make an appoint, please make in a constructive way. We all was knowing that OM 2008.8 was in very early development, and

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Olivier Berger wrote: Please re-read http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025619.html ! Hi Oliver Usually I do this 2-3 times, because I am not an enlgish native speaker. And with written text usually is a bit more difficult

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Olivier Berger
Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Be sure that this won't stop me from trying to be as constructive as I can in other technical areas. I apologize if I said you was not constructive, but according me is very important to let them to understand we want to be with them, and not against

Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread zing
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:01:13 +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:01:13 +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote: You can subscribe to the ticket. Just enter your username in the CC field of the ticket and you get a mail when ever the ticket changes. do you actually see a cc field/button where

Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread zing
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:05:37 +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 23:00 +, zing wrote: On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:01:13 +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:01:13 +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote: You can subscribe to the ticket. Just enter your username in the CC

Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Wendy
Hi Dale, thanks for your support, we'll make our test report more clear. About notifying those important bugs, we'll also put into our next test report. Regards, Wendy On Wednesday 13 August 2008 18:20:18 Dale Maggee wrote: Wendy, I'd really like to be notified when these bugs are fixed,

Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-12 Thread Olivier Berger
Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear community, here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 was released. We simply forgot to send this report to a public list because we were too busy with the release preparations. Sorry. SNIP Due to all these critical major bugs,

Re: Software Status Update

2008-07-08 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:38:21 +0200 Audrius Meskauskas [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: GTK is under LGPL and Qtopia is under GPL. This may mean nothing for the individual developer, but under GTK we may expect more commercial, proprietary applications appearing. One can buy commercial license for

Re: Software Status Update

2008-07-06 Thread Audrius Meskauskas
GTK is under LGPL and Qtopia is under GPL. This may mean nothing for the individual developer, but under GTK we may expect more commercial, proprietary applications appearing. One can buy commercial license for Qtopia as well but this costs money. It is up to you to decide if more proprietary

Re: Software Status Update

2008-07-06 Thread arne anka
Most modern Linux distributions would run both QT and GTK applications. Keeping this may not be just a purely technical decision. It may make a lot of sense to do the same on OpenMoko. fso addresses exactly this request. ___ Openmoko community

Re: Software Status Update

2008-07-06 Thread Tim Niemeyer
Hallo arne, * arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06-07-08 19:43]: Most modern Linux distributions would run both QT and GTK applications. Keeping this may not be just a purely technical decision. It may make a lot of sense to do the same on OpenMoko. fso addresses exactly this request. Hmm?

Re: Software Status Update

2008-07-06 Thread arne anka
Keeping this may not be just a purely technical decision. It may make a lot of sense to do the same on OpenMoko. fso addresses exactly this request. Hmm? This is new for me, can you explain this? FSO is middleware only, and has nothing to do with QT or GTK! exactly. the 2007.2 and the

Re: Software Status - Shall I buy or shall I wait?

2008-07-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Ingmar RIeger wrote: Hello, I'm watching the OpenMoko Project for more than a year. And now with a available Phone with W-Lan I'm thinking, if I shall buy it now. I often read the list the last weeks but not everything is clear to me now. I'll write a list of Questions what isn't clear for

Re: Software Status - Shall I buy or shall I wait?

2008-07-01 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 01 July 2008, Ingmar RIeger wrote: Hello, I'm watching the OpenMoko Project for more than a year. And now with a available Phone with W-Lan I'm thinking, if I shall buy it now. I often read the list the last weeks but not everything is clear to me now. I'll write a list of

Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships?

2008-05-28 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mo 26. Mai 2008 schrieb Steffen Winkler: stupid question: but for what stands ASU? Abgas Sonder Untersuchung - hey you're no German guy?! ;-) maybe we should find a better name - yea it's hard with all these Spanish and German ambiguities. Let's wait and see what's next... LOL. Siemens

Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships?

2008-05-25 Thread Sebastian Reichel
hi, it was said some days ago in the mailing list, that ASU is not the software which is shipped with the phone. But the first Freerunners, which are shipped are still not for the average user - they are for developers, which are able to update their phones. Am Sonntag, den 25.05.2008, 12:35

Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships?

2008-05-25 Thread Federico Lorenzi
From mails to this list, AFAIK the answer is no. On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am NOT asking if mass production has started. I am asking if OpenMoko has frozen a release to load into the microSD cards. It seems to me that the unit can come off

Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships?

2008-05-25 Thread Kevin Dean
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am NOT asking if mass production has started. I am asking if OpenMoko has frozen a release to load into the microSD cards. It seems to me that the unit can come off the line, and that one of the final steps before

Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships?

2008-05-25 Thread Sebastian Reichel
 Am Montag, den 26.05.2008, 00:26 +0200 schrieb Detructor: You don't have to be a developer to update a Freerunner...the phone is for advanced end users (advanced - advanced knowledge of IT) I did not say (or at least I did'nt want to) that developers are the only ones who are able to update

RE: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships?

2008-05-25 Thread steve
The stndard openmoko software has been frozen for RTM. a while back. Basically we decided to focus on key functionality ( dialer, SMS, contacts) get that key functionality to a gold master status. do the RTM and then move on to the new software. So, the phones that come out first will

RE: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships?

2008-05-25 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
steve writes: The stndard openmoko software has been frozen for RTM. a while back. Which snapshot is that? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-19 Thread Stefan Gojan
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) schrieb: On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:56:41 +0200 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 5/15/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People that want to use Qt prob. prefer Qtopia over OM, so I think GTK is the only correct

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-19 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 19 May 2008 08:17:27 +0200 Stefan Gojan [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) schrieb: On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:56:41 +0200 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 5/15/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People that

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-16 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 16 May 2008 07:56:22 +0200 cedric cellier [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: as such the software update has both qtopia on it as well as enlightenment as the wm - yes, some apps use etk too. native look really doesn't exist. there is no one homogeneous toolkit. qt has no changes made to

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-16 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Hi raster,Seems that some lag has delay your mail in my inbox, so righ now the answer is clear Use whatever you like and feel confortable :) I already know I can develop even in a teoricaly costumized ncurse if I want it meanwhile It has been specified as dependency and installed before the app

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-16 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 16 May 2008 06:55:45 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: note the neo has enough ram to handle several at once with ease. EFL tends to be significantly smaller than gtk in footprint memory-wise, and you have the luxury of using several anyway. 128m of ram is

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-16 Thread cedric cellier
-[ Fri, May 16, 2008 at 04:54:48PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler ] And we are supposed to think that the lack of homogeneous look n feel is a bonus ? it's up to you. you can uninstall whatever you don't like. Of course, as I can code everything myself up to the kernel if I like to. But the

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-16 Thread Stroller
On 16 May 2008, at 02:07, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:05:23 +0200 (CEST) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Sorry me if this has been said in other post, but if gtk is not the default graphical library what library gonna be ETK the official

Standardizing data store across toolkits (SMS, PIM data, playlist, etc) [Re: Software Status Update]

2008-05-16 Thread MartinG
On Friday 16 May 2008 03:26:06 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2008 01:44:59 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: ... choose the toolkit you like. i really do not like the whole mindset of we must program in language X

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Sorry me if this has been said in other post, but if gtk is not the default graphical library what library gonna be ETK the official one? Just to document me for future apps(ideas) in mind --- Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I was wondering about that too. Personally I would rather

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Tim Shannon
Hm, this is all new to me. Has anyone tried grabbing the qtopia keyboard and using it with openmoko? If the libraries are all there, it shouldn't be a problem right? On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:05 AM, David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry me if this has been said in other post,

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I think gtk should definitely be part of the platform. As far as I know the Java Swing hooks are for gtk. Since its shipping with Java it should be able to use the gtk, right? Plus as far as I can tell the ruby and python hooks for gtk are slightly cleaner and easier than working with qt. So

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/15/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People that want to use Qt prob. prefer Qtopia over OM, so I think GTK is the only correct thing. Just a comment on what I wrote: I think people should use what they like, but that if anything should be official, it should be GTK+.

RE: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread steve
) Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:43 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Software Status Update steve wrote: It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done on the software side. Frankly, I am not able to answer any detailed questions on it because

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Chris Wright
2008/5/15 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 5/15/08, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think gtk should definitely be part of the platform. As far as I know the Java Swing hooks are for gtk. Since its shipping with Java it should be able to use the gtk, right? Plus as

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread Stroller
Found what?!??! Why I try following Marco's link here I just get a big directory listing, and it's not at all obvious what video he is referring to. Stroller. On 15 May 2008, at 18:58, steve wrote: HA, you found it. ... Do you mean something like this [1] (flash player required)?

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread Brad Pitcher
I would have to guess that he is referring to the video that requires flash: freerunner1.4.swf It looks REALLY good. Stroller wrote: Found what?!??! Why I try following Marco's link here I just get a big directory listing, and it's not at all obvious what video he is referring to.

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: as such the software update has both qtopia on it as well as enlightenment as the wm - yes, some apps use etk too. native look really doesn't exist. there is no one homogeneous toolkit. qt has no changes made to its look and feel currently. gtk does ship

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
steve wrote: HA, you found it. Ehehe... I knew :P! I've seen that a couple of weeks ago, but I thought it was just a proof of concept... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:56:41 +0200 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 5/15/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People that want to use Qt prob. prefer Qtopia over OM, so I think GTK is the only correct thing. Just a comment on what I wrote: I

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 16 May 2008 01:44:59 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: as such the software update has both qtopia on it as well as enlightenment as the wm - yes, some apps use etk too. native look really doesn't exist. there is no

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:28:15 -0400 Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think gtk should definitely be part of the platform. As far as I know the Java Swing hooks are for gtk. Since its shipping with Java it should be able to use the gtk, right? Plus as far as I can tell the ruby and

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:05:23 +0200 (CEST) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Sorry me if this has been said in other post, but if gtk is not the default graphical library what library gonna be ETK the official one? Just to document me for future apps(ideas) in mind please

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread cedric cellier
as such the software update has both qtopia on it as well as enlightenment as the wm - yes, some apps use etk too. native look really doesn't exist. there is no one homogeneous toolkit. qt has no changes made to its look and feel currently. gtk does ship on the device. choose the toolkit

RE: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread steve
Ok, It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done on the software side. Frankly, I am not able to answer any detailed questions on it because I'm just focused on getting the hardware out with a bare bones ( dialer/contact/sms) level of software functionality.

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread Alexander Frøyseth
Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? steve skrev: Ok, It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done on the software side. Frankly, I am not able to answer any detailed questions on it because I'm just focused on getting the hardware out

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread ian douglas
Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? Yes, Steve just reconfirmed a few minutes ago that production doesn't even start until about May 16th... plus whatever timeline he previously mentioned for any final work to get things verified and packaged and

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread Alexander Frøyseth
May 16th are in this week But okey, just have to wait a little longer then ian douglas skrev: Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? Yes, Steve just reconfirmed a few minutes ago that production doesn't even start until about May 16th... plus

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread Lally Singh
Yup. It'll be a few weeks, for testing, packaging, etc. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? steve skrev: Ok, It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread Steven **
May 16th is the earliest for production. Production != shipping -Steven On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May 16th are in this week But okey, just have to wait a little longer then ian douglas skrev: Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Does this mean

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread David Samblas Martinez
I like it It is really pretty design and concept Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: steve wrote: It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done on the software side. Frankly, I am not able to answer any detailed questions on it because I'm

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 14 May 2008 11:36:44 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Raster, can you address the enlightenment issue mentioned below. I'd just beclown myself if I tried. ... Since the last time someone made some prodding was successful, may I ask for some official news on the software side?

Re: Software Status

2008-05-13 Thread Joseph Jon Booker
On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:58:10 -0500 Joseph Jon Booker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw, how deeply is enlightenment going to be involved in the OM software? Are applications going to need to be programmed with EFL to have a native look-and-feel on the Freerunner? And one more question: where does

Re: Software

2008-05-07 Thread David Samblas Martinez
And why not implement a execute command option in the PIM Task Manager(Schedule)? If the neo will be able to wake up to play a sound and/or buzz, I suppose it can execute a shell command and sleep again when finished. (maybe this was already implemented/planned, isn't it?) --- Ryan Prior [EMAIL

Re: Software

2008-05-07 Thread joerg
Am Mi 7. Mai 2008 schrieb David Samblas Martinez: And why not implement a execute command option in the PIM Task Manager(Schedule)? If the neo will be able to wake up to play a sound and/or buzz, I suppose it can execute a shell command and sleep again when finished. The interesting bit of

Re: Software

2008-05-07 Thread David Samblas Martinez
(WARNING! NON DEVELOPER OPINION BELOW) As I read from other device RTC acts just like another wakeup event (as an screen touch or a button) when the stored time equals the always running clock. Here I have doubts, the app associated to that alarm event is stored anywhere in some kind of sorted by

Re: Software

2008-05-07 Thread Bastian Muck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 IMO this seems to be a good way. Is there an entry for this in the wiki, yes? thomasg schrieb: | I think there should be a daemon handling this tasks. | As the RTC-alarm can only be once (every day), the daemon would have to handle this to allow

Re: Software

2008-05-07 Thread Clarke Wixon
thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think there should be a daemon handling this tasks. Yes. I think the OpenDeviceDaemon http://www.freesmartphone.org/mediawiki/index.php/Implementations/OpenDeviceDaemon and

Re: Software

2008-05-07 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mi 7. Mai 2008 schrieb David Samblas Martinez: And why not implement a execute command option in the PIM Task Manager(Schedule)? If the neo will be able to wake up to play a sound and/or buzz, I suppose it can execute a shell

Re: Software

2008-05-06 Thread Clinton Ebadi
David Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A thought. My current phone has birthday notifications for contact list members. This is fine, but a better extension would be to alert, and offer to send happy birthday text message around a pseudo random time (one wouldn't want to be seen to send

Re: Software

2008-05-06 Thread Mike Baroukh
About this, I was wondering if there was possibility to have cron like tasks even if the phone is suspended ? If no, there is no way to make anything like this bithdays remeber. If yes, what will happend ? The phone will wkae up then suspend again ? The tasks have to suspend it after completion

Re: Software

2008-05-06 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hi, On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About this, I was wondering if there was possibility to have cron like tasks even if the phone is suspended ? You could always run something like anacron{1] on the phone. As long as yoy don't keep you phone suspended

Re: Software

2008-05-06 Thread Bastian Muck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anachron can unfortunately run tasks once a day, which you can read at the Drawback. I guess that tasks, with a remember-funktions canot really be realized with anachron. I don't know if there is a timer, which can send an wakeup-interupt, but

Re: Software

2008-05-06 Thread Ryan Prior
Perhaps phone-cron needs to be written, to take anacron to the level of task flexibility required for modern cell phones. Cron and anacron are crusty old beasts - we need something fresh and sharp. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED

Re: Software

2008-05-06 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Ryan Prior wrote: Perhaps phone-cron needs to be written, to take anacron to the level of task flexibility required for modern cell phones. Cron and anacron are crusty old beasts - we need something fresh and sharp. Talking with dbus too... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux

Re: Software

2008-05-06 Thread joerg
Am Mi 7. Mai 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Ryan Prior wrote: Perhaps phone-cron needs to be written, to take anacron to the level of task flexibility required for modern cell phones. Cron and anacron are crusty old beasts - we need something fresh and sharp. Talking with dbus

Re: Software

2008-05-06 Thread Steven Kurylo
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Prior wrote: Perhaps phone-cron needs to be written, to take anacron to the level of task flexibility required for modern cell phones. Cron and anacron are crusty old beasts - we need something fresh and

Re: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richi Plana schreef: On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 07:23 -0700, Ben Burdette wrote: It would be nice to have an emulator to actually run the software over on the computer side. Not that that's the best way to have a desktop side to openmoko, but in the

RE: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Dean Collins
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Koen Kooi Sent: Saturday, 17 February 2007 11:37 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: OpenMoko Developers Mailing List Subject: Re: Software Emulator -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE

Re: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dean Collins schreef: Yeh right, personally after my experiences with development on the Savaje OS last year anyone coding without a 100 authentic emulator is wasting their time. Right, Savaje doesn't reuse desktop technology (java doesn't

RE: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Dean Collins
] On Behalf Of Koen Kooi Sent: Saturday, 17 February 2007 11:55 AM Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; OpenMoko Developers Mailing List Subject: Re: Software Emulator -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dean Collins schreef: Yeh right, personally after my experiences

Re: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Richi Plana [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess what I'm trying to ask here is that IF qemu can be made to emulate the Neo1973, THEN what must be done to do so QEMU is pretty easily extended to simulate additional virtual devices. I think it should be straightforward (though not quick) to make

Re: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Michael Welter
A little OT, but under what circumstances would a developer require a debug board? Koen Kooi wrote: What do you want to emulate? If it's the cpu, qemu can do that, but not 100%, so you still need a real arm920t device to test on. If it's the screen, you don't have a 300dpi screen on your

Debug board uses (was Re: Software Emulator)

2007-02-17 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Welter schreef: A little OT, but under what circumstances would a developer require a debug board? A debug board would have 2 main uses for me: 1) a serial console so you can debug problems with X or initscripts 2) access to jtag so you

Re: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Michael Welter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A little OT, but under what circumstances would a developer require a debug board? A debug board lets you do things like running gdb on the remote kernel, which is invaluable if things are really really screwed up. If you turn your phone into a brick by

Re: Debug board uses (was Re: Software Emulator)

2007-02-17 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Koen Kooi wrote: A little OT, but under what circumstances would a developer require a debug board? A debug board would have 2 main uses for me: 1) a serial console so you can debug problems with X or initscripts 2) access to jtag so you fix the bootloader if something went wrong with uboot

Re: Software Development

2006-11-30 Thread Terrence
The Java Mobile Embedded Community (www.mobileandembedded.org) is very interested in getting Java ME ported to OpenMoko. -- Terrence Terrence Barr Evangelist, Java Mobile Embedded Community Sun Microsystems, Germany www.mobileandembedded.org Stuart Gray wrote: I don't think it has been asked

Re: Software Development

2006-11-30 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Terrence schreef: The Java Mobile Embedded Community (www.mobileandembedded.org) is very interested in getting Java ME ported to OpenMoko. You can start right now by adding phoneme and javac to openembedded (www.openembedded.org), which would make

Re: Software Development

2006-11-30 Thread Terrence
Koen, Interesting, thanks. We'll have a look at it. -- Terrence Koen Kooi wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Terrence schreef: The Java Mobile Embedded Community (www.mobileandembedded.org) is very interested in getting Java ME ported to OpenMoko. You can start right

Re: Software Development

2006-11-29 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 21:26, Stuart Gray wrote: I don't think it has been asked before. Wrong. It was asked several times. :) But what should the software for the phone be programmed in, Java or C++ or what? or since its Linux smartphone can I do either? To use the SDK C/GTK+ is

Re: Software Development

2006-11-29 Thread Redvers Davies
But what should the software for the phone be programmed in, Java or C++ or what? or since its Linux smartphone can I do either? Perl :-D ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org