Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-09-01 Thread tokenwizard
Yeah, I have to agree with that. It seems the 2008.8 is still a bit buggy and incomplete for an everyday use. I'm back to Qtopia for now. Thanks. Mike Montour wrote: tokenwizard wrote: Ok, well as soon as I have time to deal with it I'll have to try and Frankenstein some type of power

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-27 Thread tokenwizard
Ok, well as soon as I have time to deal with it I'll have to try and Frankenstein some type of power cable contraption to get this thing booted to the point the USB charge can kick in. Seems a little premature for such a function to kick in when the battery is only slightly less that half

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-27 Thread Mike Montour
tokenwizard wrote: Ok, well as soon as I have time to deal with it I'll have to try and Frankenstein some type of power cable contraption to get this thing booted to the point the USB charge can kick in. Seems a little premature for such a function to kick in when the battery is only slightly

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-26 Thread Yorick Moko
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:43 AM, tokenwizard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one for you... I have been using my freerunner for about three weeks now. I ordered it through Koolu.com as soon as it was possible and I got it about three weeks later. The OM2007 on it was next to useless so I

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-26 Thread Ben Lake
A short will do it. tokenwizard wrote: Well, I guess you guys were right about the battery. 0.02V!! What I don't get is how the hell the battery could go from almost half a charge to completely dead in the instant I plugged in the USB?? Yorick Moko wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:43 AM,

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-25 Thread tokenwizard
I have one for you... I have been using my freerunner for about three weeks now. I ordered it through Koolu.com as soon as it was possible and I got it about three weeks later. The OM2007 on it was next to useless so I updated and found a bit more functionality. Later I installed Qtopia and I

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-25 Thread W.Kenworthy
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 18:43 -0700, tokenwizard wrote: I have one for you... I have been using my freerunner for about three weeks now. I ordered it ... and the Power/Aux and Aux/Power combos. I've tried these thing both with and without the AC adapter attached and after pulling the battery for

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-25 Thread Steve Mosher
you may have the same problem I discovered some while back. When I wore my tester hat. Micheal may be able to help you. Micheal, can you assist here? or tony? tokenwizard wrote: I have one for you... I have been using my freerunner for about three weeks now. I ordered it through Koolu.com

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-25 Thread Michael Shiloh
Steve Mosher wrote: you may have the same problem I discovered some while back. When I wore my tester hat. Micheal may be able to help you. Micheal, can you assist here? or tony? There was a response (before Steve's) that suggested a battery issue. I agree with that, and would want first

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-18 Thread Steve Mosher
I have a tiny tiny head so all the hats fit. we are putting together a policy for people who bought from the openmoko store. there are several issues. We offer a 14 day DOA Warrenty and a 28 day warrenty for 10 packs. The issue is what does DOA mean? Dead on Arrival. If your GSM doesnt work,

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-14 Thread arne anka
Half an hour. 15 commands to copy and paste. How much more hand-holding does a developer need? that's only part of the story! the stuff mokomakefile gets you is already prepared to be build with bitbakecie -- which does not mean that everything builds at all (frinst vlc fails completely

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-14 Thread Roland Mas
Jay Vaughan, 2008-08-13 22:47:28 +0200 : Oh come on. After reading all your (and others') scary messages about that, I decided to give it a try. So I pointed my browser to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile. Half an hour later, I had a build in progress. Most of that half-hour

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-14 Thread arne anka
I'm more likely to provide *.deb, actually, but that's just because I'm an arrogant, smug, elitist Debian bastard (and not ashamed of it, either). yeah! that's the spirit! you don't have by chance a blog or so where you jot down your experiences with debian on fr? i think, i am going to

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-14 Thread Roland Mas
arne anka, 2008-08-14 14:24:58 +0200 : I'm more likely to provide *.deb, actually, but that's just because I'm an arrogant, smug, elitist Debian bastard (and not ashamed of it, either). yeah! that's the spirit! you don't have by chance a blog or so where you jot down your experiences

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Pawel Kowalak
On Aug 13, 2008, at 7:51 AM, Olivier Berger wrote: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then try 2008.9 when it comes Please issue it when it's READY and not on 2008.9.9 at 09:09:09 just for the fun of it. Idea of Open Source projects is to release them before they're ready, to let

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Jay Vaughan
Please issue it when it's READY and not on 2008.9.9 at 09:09:09 just for the fun of it. Idea of Open Source projects is to release them before they're ready, to let community work on them as well. That would be fine in our case, *if* we could work on them concurrently, but there is so

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Roland Mas
Jay Vaughan, 2008-08-13 14:42:23 +0200 : Idea of Open Source projects is to release them before they're ready, to let community work on them as well. That would be fine in our case, *if* we could work on them concurrently, but there is so much cruft in dealing with the build environment -

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Steven **
The MokoMakefile is great. I've had it working for months. But I still don't know how I would contribute to OM. There's a wiki page about using the MokoMakefile to edit the existing packages. But I don't think that addresses actually contributing said changes back to OM. Maybe I'm just

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Jay Vaughan
Oh come on. After reading all your (and others') scary messages about that, I decided to give it a try. So I pointed my browser to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile. Half an hour later, I had a build in progress. Most of that half-hour was spent waiting for stuff to download,

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Feydreva
Does Mokomakefile can build a 2008.8 more recent than the one release on August 08 of 2008 ? I setup the Makefile for OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.asu.testing and run make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image Will I have the fake asu, like the one on the daily buildhost ? or will I have a 2008.8/ASU ? if

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Rod Whitby
Feydreva wrote: Does Mokomakefile can build a 2008.8 more recent than the one release on August 08 of 2008 ? I setup the Makefile for OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.asu.testing and run make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image Will I have the fake asu, like the one on the daily buildhost ? or will

RE: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-12 Thread steve
Ya just download qtopia for now. Then try 2008.9 when it comes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Vaughan Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:35 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Third request: what *is* the

2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-12 Thread Olivier Berger
steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then try 2008.9 when it comes First time I happen to meet an announcement for the next release, it seems. Please issue it when it's READY and not on 2008.9.9 at 09:09:09 just for the fun of it. Jut my 2 cents. -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F)

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-05 Thread Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)
Hi Dimitri: Some of information is not correct. The warranty is essentially non-existent. Yes, we don't have unified warranty policy yet, but this does not mean we don't take the responsibility for user get bad devices. We still working on this, once we have consensus, we will announce.

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-05 Thread Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)
Hi Lally Singh: The warranty is also bugging me. Is there anywhere else I could get one? Or would OM be willing to sell an extended warranty for a bit more $$? Our sales and marketing both are in US working on this now, no extended warranty yet. Or at least a cheap spare parts

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-05 Thread arne anka
Ah, but once you hit send you lost ownership of your thread. You can no more reclaim your thread than you can stuff feathers back into a torn pillow in a high wind true, oh pharao. but otoh it isn't the first attempt to clarify the issue and virtually every other attempt very fast went

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-05 Thread Lally Singh
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:29 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lally Singh: The warranty is also bugging me. Is there anywhere else I could get one? Or would OM be willing to sell an extended warranty for a bit more $$? Our sales and marketing both are in US working on

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-05 Thread ian douglas
Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote: Yes, we don't have unified warranty policy yet, but this does not mean we don't take the responsibility for user get bad devices. Define bad... It's a little vague -- does 'bad' simply mean DOA like was announced by Steve several months ago regarding the

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Michael Shiloh
ian douglas wrote: Sean/Michael/Community: It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD fixes and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ... I'm hoping that at some point the squeaky wheel cliche will work itself out and we'll get an answer. The

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Dimitri
The warranty is essentially non-existent. It's supposedly 14 days D.O.A.. Dead On Arrival, in its strictest definition, means that as long as the phone boots up, that's it. It doesn't matter if it's not really functional. As long as it boots up, it's technically not DOA. If it can't make phone

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Steven Kurylo
I feel mislead by their marketing, which led me (and, from what I've been reading, many others) to think that the phone was actually ready for both developers AND regular folks. This, of course, is false, as it can't even connect to the internet *out of the box*, and requires a ridiculous

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Dimitri
I'm just venting steam. I'm not entirely unhappy with the phone: just a little frustrated, since I'm having a hard time justifying the purchase with my wife... not to mention my iPhone-loving friends. There were a number of sites, like Engadget and a few others, that were essentially implying

RE: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Blake Haggerty
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Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread ian douglas
Guys, My intention was not to create a message thread for people to vent about what they like or not about the Freerunner. I created the thread to get an official stance from Openmoko about the state of the warranty, and if it would cover any hardware fix offered by OM for the GPS/SD problems.

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Michael Shiloh
Ah, but once you hit send you lost ownership of your thread. You can no more reclaim your thread than you can stuff feathers back into a torn pillow in a high wind :-) ian douglas wrote: Guys, My intention was not to create a message thread for people to vent about what they like or

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Jim Morris
ian douglas wrote: Guys, My intention was not to create a message thread for people to vent about what they like or not about the Freerunner. I created the thread to get an official stance from Openmoko about the state of the warranty, and if it would cover any hardware fix offered by OM

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Jay Vaughan
Anyway, I'm done complaining. Anyone want to buy a new Freemoko? I'll sell it for $350 with free shipping to anywhere in the US :) my advice is: don't be too quick to get off the train, which is well and truly under way, whatever the load .. having a working freerunner that kicks ass in

RE: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread steve
The warrenty on our web shop is 14 days for DOA. GSM problems could be related to the age of your SIM. So we suggest updated any old SIMS. Micheal can help. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Morris Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Michael Shiloh
Jim Morris wrote: ian douglas wrote: Guys, My intention was not to create a message thread for people to vent about what they like or not about the Freerunner. I created the thread to get an official stance from Openmoko about the state of the warranty, and if it would cover any hardware

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Jim Morris
steve wrote: The warrenty on our web shop is 14 days for DOA. GSM problems could be related to the age of your SIM. So we suggest updated any old SIMS. Micheal can help. Sorry I should have been clearer, I am referring to the loud buzzing on GSM calls, which has been determined to be

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Michael Shiloh
Jim Morris wrote: steve wrote: The warrenty on our web shop is 14 days for DOA. GSM problems could be related to the age of your SIM. So we suggest updated any old SIMS. Micheal can help. Sorry I should have been clearer, I am referring to the loud buzzing on GSM calls, which has

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Lally Singh
The warranty is also bugging me. Is there anywhere else I could get one? Or would OM be willing to sell an extended warranty for a bit more $$? Or at least a cheap spare parts program? I don't mind swapping out parts if they're available at reasonable prices. On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:36 PM,

Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Jay Vaughan
There were a number of sites, like Engadget and a few others, that were essentially implying that the Freerunner was ready for general use (as opposed to the Neo1973, which was strictly a developer's phone). well, if you use qtopia, with an eye on the rapid progress, you can at least