Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
On Sun, 2009-06-07 at 22:37 +0400, ivvmm wrote: Hello list koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz. How dangerous could it be? I always carry the device near my heart because it is needed to for GPS to receive an accurate position. How could GSM module be shut down truly? We all know it sends control-signals even if turned off. Thank you. There was a post on the planet long time ago with the measurements of the power of the radio waves emitted(SAR) by diverse phones including the freerunner...and it end up in the middle of the comparison,that is to say it was not the best but not the worse. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
Nikita, This was caused by mistake by pregrad.net service we used, not by our side. But due to quite hard import process (it lasted for months), it was next to impossible to recover :(. I am sorry for your issue, but unless the mistake was caused by Koolu itself, I do not know that Koolu can address it. However, you might consider trading your FreeRunner with someone else on the list. People move, and someone who bought a FreeRunner in Europe may have moved to the United States and would be willing to trade you to get one that is 850. If you are going to DebConf, this might be a good place to do a swap. 900s work fine in the USA (for the most part), but we have the same issues as you dorural areas tend to use 850. md ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
Le 14403ième jour après Epoch, Lowell Higley écrivait: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: ivvmm, frequency(in in the range we are talking about) is not the harming factor is power (Watts) and in both frequencies the power will be the same so as mentioned avobe the only harm you can recieve from a US version is rare case of lack of coverage in some rural zones of Europe. I live in Kosovo... I don't know how you can get more rural than that. lol. I've started using my FreeRunner here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.8721lon=0.9558zoom=14layers=B000FTF Zoom out, and check the rurality of the zone ;) LOL for the chicken sacrifice, a BBQ always helps! Argh, a chicken... I've read a children... Oops... What a mistake... Whatever, It doesn't work. :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmmunachieva...@gmail.com wrote: koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz. This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz, in USA 850 and 1900 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_ranges#GSM_frequency_usage_in_Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_ranges#GSM_frequency_usage_in_the_Americas The freerunner (GTA02) has 2 versions working in three frequencies: USA: 850/1800/1900MHz Europe: 900/1800/1900MHz How dangerous could it be? I always carry the device near my heart because it is needed to for GPS to receive an accurate position. The only dangerous thing is that if you are out of 1800MHz coverage you won't be able to get the 900MHz frequency. How could GSM module be shut down truly? We all know it sends control-signals even if turned off. Sacrificing a chicken helps. -- Ignacio Torres Masdeu http://ignacio.torresmasdeu.name/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmmunachieva...@gmail.com wrote: koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz. This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz, in USA 850 and 1900 Sorry. Wrongly typed that. It is written GSM: 850/1800/1900 under the battery of my Frerunner. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
ivvmm, frequency(in in the range we are talking about) is not the harming factor is power (Watts) and in both frequencies the power will be the same so as mentioned avobe the only harm you can recieve from a US version is rare case of lack of coverage in some rural zones of Europe. LOL for the chicken sacrifice, a BBQ always helps! 2009/6/7 Lowell Higley higle...@gmail.com: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:30 PM, ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com wrote: Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmmunachieva...@gmail.com wrote: koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz. This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz, in USA 850 and 1900 Sorry. Wrongly typed that. It is written GSM: 850/1800/1900 under the battery of my Frerunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I live in Europe (but from the US) and use the US variant of the phone... I have absolutely no issues related to the frequency. It works like a champ. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
Hello, koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. I contacted Elaine Turner in our sales department about this, and she told me that the only issue she had ever known about was a person who ordered the units to be delivered to the United States as 850/1800/1900 phones, and then had the units shipped to Europe. When they contacted us to complain that they were not 900/1800/1900, she showed them the order form where they had specified 850/1800/1900. If this is not the case with your order, and if Koolu made a mistake with the order, please send email to sa...@koolu.com and I am sure that Elaine will straighten it out. Otherwise you should have said I wrongly ordered the North American variant... Warmest regards, maddog ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: ivvmm, frequency(in in the range we are talking about) is not the harming factor is power (Watts) and in both frequencies the power will be the same so as mentioned avobe the only harm you can recieve from a US version is rare case of lack of coverage in some rural zones of Europe. I live in Kosovo... I don't know how you can get more rural than that. lol. LOL for the chicken sacrifice, a BBQ always helps! 2009/6/7 Lowell Higley higle...@gmail.com: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:30 PM, ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com wrote: Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmmunachieva...@gmail.com wrote: koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz. This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz, in USA 850 and 1900 Sorry. Wrongly typed that. It is written GSM: 850/1800/1900 under the battery of my Frerunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I live in Europe (but from the US) and use the US variant of the phone... I have absolutely no issues related to the frequency. It works like a champ. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
I contacted Elaine Turner in our sales department about this, and she told me that the only issue she had ever known about was a person who ordered the units to be delivered to the United States as 850/1800/1900 phones, and then had the units shipped to Europe. When they contacted us to complain that they were not 900/1800/1900, she showed them the order form where they had specified 850/1800/1900. If this is not the case with your order, and if Koolu made a mistake with the order, please send email to sa...@koolu.com and I am sure that Elaine will straighten it out. Otherwise you should have said I wrongly ordered the North American variant... Warmest regards, maddog I've suffered from this as well. In fact, when a group purchaseof 45 phones was organized by russian enthusiasts about a year ago, about half of phones arrived have been 850/1800/1900 and not 900/1800/1900 as they should. This was caused by mistake by pregrad.net service we used, not by our side. But due to quite hard import process (it lasted for months), it was next to impossible to recover :(. My Freerunner has GSM working in Moscow, but not 60 km from Moscow. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
