Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Peter da Silva]

> 4k? You were lucky.
>
> I had to fit an entire OS into 16 bytes, four of which were shared
> with the team next door. And I was only given fifteen ones. And two of
> them were bent.

Bah, I used a slide rule to develop our current product! No bits at all!

[The funny thing is, this ain't a tall tale either]


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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Stuart Bell]

On 25 Jan 2006, at 01:50, Shane O'Neill wrote:


4k? You were lucky.

I had to fit an entire OS into 16 bytes, four of which were shared
with the team next door. And I was only given fifteen ones. And two of
them were bent.


Very good!

You forgot to mention that two of the ferrite cores in the memory had 
been installed upside down.


Stuart


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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Shane O'Neill]

On 1/24/06, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Bob C. wrote:
> > Imagine!  200K = bloatware!   Wow, how times have changed!   :-)
>
> Hey, I had to fit a display editor into the 4k available for buffers in
> an oilfield control system. It had to fit in the buffer space because
> that was the biggest bit of actual RAM, instead of ROM, in the
> system... and I only got that much because I was only run while the
> control system was down for reconfiguration.

4k? You were lucky.

I had to fit an entire OS into 16 bytes, four of which were shared
with the team next door. And I was only given fifteen ones. And two of
them were bent.

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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Peter da Silva]

On Jan 24, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Bob C. wrote:

Imagine!  200K = bloatware!   Wow, how times have changed!   :-)


Hey, I had to fit a display editor into the 4k available for buffers in 
an oilfield control system. It had to fit in the buffer space because 
that was the biggest bit of actual RAM, instead of ROM, in the 
system... and I only got that much because I was only run while the 
control system was down for reconfiguration.



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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Bob C.]

Imagine!  200K = bloatware!   Wow, how times have changed!   :-)

Bob


- Original Message -  From: "Stuart Bell"

Well, people at the time weren't too sure about that!  I quote from the
Macintosh Bible, first edition, 1987:

". . . if program 'leanness' is important to you, Red Ryder –
approaching 200K in size – will probably give you apoplexy."

200K - bloatware by 1987 standards.

Stuart


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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Stuart Bell]

On 24 Jan 2006, at 14:48, Bob C. wrote:


Stuart,

For a similar situation, I've used my Mac 512 with  "Red Ryder 9.4".   
It
has VT-52 and VT-100 emulation, I believe.  The nice thing is, it fits 
on a
single 400K disk with System 3.2, Finder 5.3, the menu-bar clock, 
MockWrite,

DiskInfo and File Tools!  Amazing how much they could pack in so little
space...!   :-)



Well, people at the time weren't too sure about that!  I quote from the 
Macintosh Bible, first edition, 1987:


". . . if program 'leanness' is important to you, Red Ryder – 
approaching 200K in size – will probably give you apoplexy."


200K - bloatware by 1987 standards.

Stuart


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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Doug McNutt]

Versaterm and Versaterm_Link were what I used on a Mac+ when it was arpanet.

Synergy Software, and that might be misspelled. I donno if they're still in 
business of if the software is now public but I probably still have it around 
here.
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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[twobears]

Just incase someone else wants a link to Red Ryder 9.4 and lots of other
shareware, here is a link that I found. It seems to have plenty of software
from the old Boston Computer Society files for older Macs and I may download
some of them fo my own 512k.

http://www.simski.org/mac/bcs/

al





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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Peter da Silva]

> For a similar situation, I've used my Mac 512 with  "Red Ryder 9.4".   It
> has VT-52 and VT-100 emulation, I believe.  The nice thing is, it fits on a
> single 400K disk with System 3.2, Finder 5.3, the menu-bar clock, MockWrite,
> DiskInfo and File Tools!  Amazing how much they could pack in so little
> space...!   :-)

Sounds like exactly the same setup I used.

Unfortunately, I can't find a copy of Red Ryder on the disks I have retained.


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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Stuart Bell]

On 24 Jan 2006, at 15:20, Stuart Bell wrote:



Now, anyone got Red Ryder lying around?




OK -found it myself!

http://www.simski.org/mac/bcs/

STuart


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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Stuart Bell]

On 24 Jan 2006, at 14:48, Bob C. wrote:


Stuart,

For a similar situation, I've used my Mac 512 with  "Red Ryder 9.4".   
It
has VT-52 and VT-100 emulation, I believe.  The nice thing is, it fits 
on a
single 400K disk with System 3.2, Finder 5.3, the menu-bar clock, 
MockWrite,

DiskInfo and File Tools!  Amazing how much they could pack in so little
space...!   :-)



Thanks for _all_ the replies - this 512Kb solution looks just like the 
minimalist system I'm looking for,


Now, anyone got Red Ryder lying around?

Stuart


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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Bob C.]

Stuart,

For a similar situation, I've used my Mac 512 with  "Red Ryder 9.4".   It
has VT-52 and VT-100 emulation, I believe.  The nice thing is, it fits on a
single 400K disk with System 3.2, Finder 5.3, the menu-bar clock, MockWrite,
DiskInfo and File Tools!  Amazing how much they could pack in so little
space...!   :-)

  Bob

- Original Message -  From: "Stuart Bell"
> Hi!
>
> I recently acquired a Sage IV - early 1980s multi-user computer system
> running the UCSD p-System. As was the norm then, such computers used
> 'dumb' terminals connected using serial (RS-232) connections.
>
> I would like to use one (or more) of my compact Macs as dumb terminals.
>
> Hence, I'd be grateful for any recommendations for terminal emulators
> for Compacts, preferably one which doesn't require me to remember too
> much of the RS-232 jargon which I've forgotten in the last 20 years! I
> won't be using a modem, only a direct connection. I have the
> appropriate 25-pin D-type to DIN adapters.
>
> I can assign any Compact Mac to this task, from 512Kb to SE/30 to
> Mystic (CC with 575) though colour would be largely wasted for this
> application!  So, any system s/w requirements from around System 4
> through to 7.5 or even 8.1 can be accommodated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stuart


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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[twobears]

Stuart,

zTerm is compact and doesn't seem to care much about the Mac hardware or OS. I
used it for years at first with a Mac Plus and then an SE to communicate with
the Unix network at hospital that I worked at.

It was used under OS 6.0.4 through 8.1 (on a Quadra) equally well. You can
select various emulation parameters and speeds and it's cheap. I still use it.

There is always MacTerminal but my only copy was blown away years ago and I
can't remember emulation details.

al


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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Daan Goedkoop]

What about ZTerm? I used it to make a dumb terminal out of my SE/30.
ClarisWorks 5 worked too, I think it has Kermit built into it.

Daan.

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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Stuart Bell]

On 24 Jan 2006, at 11:07, Peter da Silva wrote:

I was using Finder 1.something when I was using my 128K Mac as a 
terminal, back in the early '90s. I'll look through my disks and see 
what terminal program I was using, I think it had a name like "Red 
Rider" or something unobvious like that.


Thanks!

I'll save my precious 128Kb Mac from too much use, but using a silent 
Plus could be nice.


Stuart


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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Peter da Silva]

On Jan 24, 2006, at 1:50 AM, Stuart Bell wrote:
I can assign any Compact Mac to this task, from 512Kb to SE/30 to 
Mystic (CC with 575) though colour would be largely wasted for this 
application!  So, any system s/w requirements from around System 4 
through to 7.5 or even 8.1 can be accommodated.


I was using Finder 1.something when I was using my 128K Mac as a 
terminal, back in the early '90s. I'll look through my disks and see 
what terminal program I was using, I think it had a name like "Red 
Rider" or something unobvious like that.



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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Stuart Bell]

On 24 Jan 2006, at 10:41, Paul Voller wrote:


Hello Stuart.  I believe the venerable Kermit application might fit
the bill.  I managed to find this link:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mac.html but by digging around the
columbia.edu site you might be able to find something that will work
on much earlier versions of The System.

I used Kermit a long time ago on SunOS and it fitted the bill, being
fairly simple.

I'm sure others on this list may recommend alternatives, but this is
the one I'd use.


Thanks!  Will investigate.

If people know of a similar app with VT102 or VT52 emulation, that 
would be even better!


Stuart


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Re: Really easy terminal emulator for a Compact?

[Paul Voller]

On 24/01/06, Stuart Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hence, I'd be grateful for any recommendations for terminal emulators
> for Compacts, preferably one which doesn't require me to remember too
> much of the RS-232 jargon which I've forgotten in the last 20 years! I
> won't be using a modem, only a direct connection. I have the
> appropriate 25-pin D-type to DIN adapters.

Hello Stuart.  I believe the venerable Kermit application might fit
the bill.  I managed to find this link:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mac.html but by digging around the
columbia.edu site you might be able to find something that will work
on much earlier versions of The System.

I used Kermit a long time ago on SunOS and it fitted the bill, being
fairly simple.

I'm sure others on this list may recommend alternatives, but this is
the one I'd use.

Good luck,
Paul

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