@Bruno,
Unfortunately an update of compiz has replaced your ppa with Doug's patch. I
don't want to bother you but it would be great if you update your ppa. Or
better yet if you post a step by step guide how to compile compiz with Doug's
patch.
Best regards.
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Actually, my fix that got merged (and I think reverted quickly after)
removed the hack and introduced correct behavior, with the possibility
of switching between the two behaviors. I wonder why it's not actually
present in lp:compiz right now. We shouldn't be bothering with
introducing different
@Doug:
what's the downside to applying the 0.9.7 commit in precise also
adjusting scale.xml.in to get desired results.
changing default action will only apply for new user since the actions
are written in the user's config on first start ... e.g your xml.in
change will not apply to existing
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Title:
[regression] scale/spread: Initiate Window Picker for All
It's likely that this bug would already have been fixed if there was a
ticket tracking the flying issue rather than having it discussed in
the middle for the 170 comments on the scale behaviour bug...
There is one: LP: #955035
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There is one: LP: #955035
great, let's use this one to track the flying windows issue then, the
bug is in a reasonable state and a good basis for a SRU
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Sebastien Bacher (seb128) wrote
changing default action will only apply for new user since the actions are
written in the user's config on first start ... e.g your xml.in change will not
apply to existing users and their super-W will start doing the wrong thing
Not really, super+w is set for
@Doug: that requires testing, it seems weird that the system .xml value
would take over the user config in the user .gconf directory (currently
super-W is binding to show wins on all workspaces and that value is in
the user config)
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Now after installing patched compiz source the bindings are switched
automatically
(probably a log out/in to take affect
** Attachment added: Screenshot from 2012-12-13 15:09:32.png
Probably best to do a new fresh install but maybe these to screens can
illustrate -
this screen is with the current compiz source bindings set to default values
(superw - all:, ShiftAltUp - current WS, noting that *in use* Super+W
picks from current WS irregardless of binding.
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If policy prevents fixing broken behavior it seems to me said policy
needs to be amended.
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The bug 689733 has now a heat of 184 while this has 1090. So which
behavior is more critical from a user point of view?
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@desgua; that's because it is the current implementation, and people
generally don't comment if they are happy with the status quo.
We had *a lot* of requests from the community to make the change
described in bug #689733, so this debate is really is 6 of one, half a
dozen of another.
If we were
@John Lea, I think that exposing this option in 'System Settings / Keyboard
/ Shortcuts' is a great solution that could be landed in 12.04. Don't you
agree?
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@johnlea: I proposed a solution in #122 and #136.
If I understand correctly bug #689733 was just an incorrectly set
shortcut (super+w was set to scale all viewports instead of scale
current viewport). The solution (again, if I understand correctly) was
to hack scale all viewports to display only
Sorry, but for me, this is definitely a bug exists only in 12.04:
with ccsm (Window Management / Scale / Assignments)
it is possible to set 'Start selector windows for all windows':
- It works until 10.04
with 12.04 it does not work == BUG! ! !
- From 13.04, it works again
- google
We have a very nice expression here in Greece ..
Πνίγεσαι σε μια κουταλιά νερό
in free translation
drowning in a teaspoon of water
And this is what is really happening with this bug. The whole situation
is a joke.
This is a bug and a regression , if it is to hunt and file a report about a so
^^ zzecool hit the nail on the head. They had the chance to fix this
before whatever deadline that made impossible to change default
behaviour. But instead, they dicided to hack compiz to shit to bend it
to thier will. Really stupid when you consider all they had to do was
bind the action in bug
+1 for common sense
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does not show all windows. It
hey everyone, thanks for the interest to Ubuntu/compiz/that issue and
sorry it's taking time to get resolved but comments are turning to
heated tone and insults at this point and that's often non
constructive...
quite the contrary it might finish by demotivating the people who are on
your side
one other way would be to break show wins from the current workspace
to make it show wins from all workspace, e.g have both actions reverse
and not matching that description ... it's not right but it would make
the action possible for the tweakers that want it without breaking
behaviour on upgrade
Sebastian, how about switching the behaviours around for 12.04?
Maintain the current one as is and change the other to behave like this
did. Those who want to have the correct behaviour change the key bindings,
and current users are unaffected.
Does it make sense?
No dia 12 de Dez de 2012 17:48,
@seb128: the problem goes much deeper than the show all windows thing.
As far as I can see the offending commit is just reverted in 12.10 and
the shortcuts are set correctly. This fixes everything (tm).
*Only* offering an option to show all windows will still leave all the
other bugs that would
I still can't understand .. seb
You say that if you are going to undo the hack the super-W would
change the behaviour back to the for all windows when it is documented
to be for the current workspace.
So while you undo the hack why don't you just change - fix the
shortcut in the compiz config
@mniess:
This fixes everything (tm).
that would change the behaviour of super-W for users upgrading though
no?
will still leave all the other bugs that would be fixed by reverting the
offending commit (flying windows, ...)
that's a different issue from the one this bug is about, this bug
@zzecool:
So while you undo the hack why don't you just change - fix the
shortcut in the compiz config settings to correspond to the fix ? (
Assign super-W to initiate window picker ) So noone will notice the fix.
you can find the reason in comment #158 I wrote a bit earlier, the
configuration
zzecool sayd:
-I still can't understand .. seb
-
-You say that if you are going to undo the hack the super-W would change the
behaviour back to the for all windows when it is -documented to be for the
current workspace.
-
-So while you undo the hack why don't you just change - fix the shortcut
Sorry Seb but your statement about the user data is not valid.
I know that in every compiz update i have to reassign all of my
modifications in compiz config settings manager because every small
compiz update reset them to the default.
Hot Corners Modified shortcuts etc .
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@zzecool: what you mention is a bug in compiz itself, it should not be
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The thing you seem to forget, Sebastien, is that the core issue is this:
A hack was introduced that not only changed the default behavior for all users,
but -- more importantly -- also made it impossible to switch back to the
desired behavior.
In other words, mucking around with people's
I guess I'm missing something here as I don't use 12.04 should likely shut up
Anyway what's the downside to applying the 0.9.7 commit in precise also
adjusting scale.xml.in to get desired results.
Did so here on a 12.04 install still hanging around when creating a new user
the bindings
@seb128: argh. I meant this fixeD everything (for 12.10 that is).
I know it's only one issue per bug report. But the underlying problem is
a single commit and many bugs are connected to fixing this bug correctly
(which has been done for 12.10). This bug produces issues for people who
don't even
@zzecool I think you are having another bug. My shortcuts settings has been
kept in every update, even with Bruno's great ppa (again many thanks Bruno,
you are awesome).
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“To fix this bug, it would mean to change the current *default
behavior*.”
OK, so let me see if I got this straight: you mean that on the designers
point of view the *default behavior* is the *broken behavior*?
One word: “unbelievable”.
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Without reading the details of this bug again or forcing an opinion,
everyone please note:
This bug is marked as fix released in Compiz 0.9.8.0. That means the fix
is in Ubuntu 12.10 and later, but not in 12.04.
If you have a problem with the behaviour in 12.10 or later, please log a bug
using
I don't see how a corporate environment profits from installing non-LTS
releases or using an obscure PPA (no offense Bruno) to get rid of this
bug. This bug (and the many bugs resulting from the commit that causes
it) makes 12.04 kind of unusable for many people. All options are on the
table.
Desired resolution:
- As the change request conflicts with bug #689733 , the current default
behaviour of the spread should not change. Also significant changes to
Ubuntu's default behaviour should not be made in a SRU.
Why this is in the current description makes no sense, that unfortunate
bug
One word unbelievable.
I almost stopped using multiple workspaces in ubuntu due this bug
(thanks for bug-fix Bruno). It was really uncomfortable switching
windows without picker from all windows.
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This bug is really bad and ruins the LTS experience. I've been running
with Bruno's PPA for 6 months - which fixes the problem perfectly - but
I can't imagine what its been like for anyone not technically savvy
enough to use this.
This week I got an official update to compiz which I naively
Hi guys, I've been using Quantal, so I can't test if the patch still
works.
On the new package version that was released there's a patch reverting
the fix for this bug. I've applied the fix after that patch, let's see
if it builds, and if so you should receive an update on my ppa.
On Sat, Dec 8,
Hi Bruno - thank you! I just got the update from your PPA and can
confirm that we're back in business! The bug is fixed again with your
version.
You are a gentleman. Thank you.
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Me and my friend was the first to add this bug here and i cant believe
that this one still exist in precise.
Im using quantal long time now so im not having this bug any more but it
is a shame that this is not fixed on LTS and it is fixed in Quantal ..
It is many times that i have the
Ok, I think this needs some clarification. The bug is not fixed because
no dev had time to do it. It was actually fixed quite a long time ago,
but the fix got reverted. Sadly, bugs like these are really hard to
'fix', because those do not really fit the SRU criteria. Stable releases
can only have
What I think confuses us is the fact that this default behavior is a
regression on the behavior of the previous version, or else there wouldn't
be all these reports and Quantal would show the same wrong behavior.
I have just been packaging a patch someone was kind to write and provide,
as long as
I'm failing to see how is fixing this equvivalent to changing default
behaviour. The problem is, as I understand, that in one moment Scale
plugin's actions Initiate window picker for all windows and Initiate
window picker (for current workspace) became the same - Initiate
window picker (for
** Changed in: compiz-core
Milestone: 0.9.7.10 = 0.9.7.12
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** Changed in: compiz-core
Status: Fix Committed = Triaged
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** Changed in: compiz (Ubuntu Precise)
Status: Triaged = Confirmed
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Putting back to Confirmed for 12.04, since the commit in question was
eventually reverted and the problem is more complex in 12.04 than it
would first seem. The bug itself would be fixable, as known, but not
without changing the default behavior for all users which is not wanted.
The desired
As it currently stands, I'd like to remind you of what I wrote in #122.
Compiz in 12.04 is broken. I get calls on an almost daily basis because
this bug breaks window management. If all that holds us back from
reverting that one commit are changed shortcuts then lets make an
exception.
Sebastien
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This bug finally seems to be fixed with the new 12.10 release. But many
will stick with 12.04 since it is a LTS version. Are there plans to fix
this in 12.04?
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This bug has been marked fix released for almost two months now, but
the precise-backports doesn't include a fixed package yet. Any chance we
could get a package for testing at least?
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Thanks
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** Changed in: compiz
Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released
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This bug was fixed in the package compiz - 1:0.9.8+bzr3319-0ubuntu1
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compiz (1:0.9.8+bzr3319-0ubuntu1) quantal-proposed; urgency=low
[ Didier Roche ]
* debian/patches/ubuntu-config.patch:
- refresh with latest trunk
* debian/*docs:
- remove the TODO copy now removed
Looks like this is fixed for quantal. Will the fix be backported to
precise?
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Yes, the backport to precise (compiz 0.9.7) is under way. See the
milestones at the top.
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Dear all.
I still use the ppa from Bruno (thanks again Bruno!) and all is fine.
I'm just wondering if it is also in the official ubuntu ppa. Is it?
Shall I still wait and until when? Thx for some comments, cheers.
PS: Sorry, the conversations are quite long to read and not easy to
understand at
** Branch linked: lp:~sil2100/compiz/ubuntu_gsettings
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** Changed in: compiz (Ubuntu Precise)
Milestone: ubuntu-12.04.1 = ubuntu-12.04.2
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The updated packages in in Timos PPA (0.9.7.8-0ubuntu1.3~test5) don't
fix the bug for me. Neither this bug, nor #955035 are fixed for me.
Super+w only shows current workspace windows and looking in ccms it is
bound to show windows from all workspaces.
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@Mathis: the latest (~test5) packages in Timo's ppa do not have the
patch for this bug and #955035 anymore. I guess Timo is preparing the
SRU and the fix for this bug will probably not make it because it needs
more work (see description of this bug - John Lea added a desired
resolution section).
12.04 LTS packages for testing at https://launchpad.net/~timo-
jyrinki/+archive/compiz-precise-sru - please give feedback
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Using Timo's ppa Super+W for spreading all windows works fine here.
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One thing I forgot to double check: Super+W is for spreading all windows
in _all_ workspaces but the Unity shortcut hints overlay shows
Spreading all windows in the _current_ workspace which is Shift+Alt+Up
actually.
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** Also affects: ayatana-design
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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Apparently the fix unfortunately still would revert the fix for bug
#689733, so it, as a default behavior change, cannot be included without
design approval :( It could be offered as an optional change in behavior
later on, but not changing the default behavior.
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Miklos,
Yes an additional fix is required downstream in Ubuntu as I mentioned in
comment #47:
`This bug will require a fix upstream and downstream...
Upstream: Make sure all windows are shown for the all windows bindings.
Downstream: Move the Super+W shortcut from Initiate Window Picker For All
Timo, this fix is correct. Ubuntu's Unity/Compiz is just bound to the
wrong action, as per my previous comments.
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Thanks, Daniel! I must have missed that comment.
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does
The early 12.04 releases (alfa, beta, I don't remember) had the correct
text (all windows, all workspaces). A bug on this issue was reported
and the fix was correcting the documentation and the shortcuts overlay.
This was not a proper fix. This is a design regression bug, it's not a
design change.
Timo, Super+W is bound to the wrong action in:
debian/patches/ubuntu-config.patch
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changing the ubuntu config is tricky though since we have no good
solution to migrate existant configs, so changing the code would lead to
behaviour changes for those existing profiles ... it might be easier to
add a new function in compiz to do the same thing rather than change the
existing one,
Using the current behavior leads to windows flying all over the place,
invisible windows, windows stuck outside of the viewport, etc. I can't
see how anyone can use this in its' current state.
Things were changed for this new behavior, braking the previous behavior
for everyone who used it (it is
@Bruno: please don't confuse things and don't use that bug to complain
about every other issue you might get with compiz
Using the current behavior leads to windows flying all over the place,
invisible windows, windows stuck outside of the viewport, etc. I can't
see how anyone can use this in
I replied to Sebastien privately, I don't want to add more noise to this
bug report.
Please, keep up the good work. ;-)
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Today Ubuntu has pulled new updates on Compiz. I haven't found any
mention to this bug on the changelogs. Can someone confirm tha the bug
is still there (or not) in the new updates? I think I'll stick to
Bruno's version for a while.
Thanks.
PD: About the discussion in this this thread, I think
On 12-07-2012 15:43, Bonzo wrote:
Today Ubuntu has pulled new updates on Compiz. I haven't found any
mention to this bug on the changelogs. Can someone confirm tha the bug
is still there (or not) in the new updates? I think I'll stick to
Bruno's version for a while.
I think the previous
Well, the priority are sorted by what affects most users, we had quite
some bugs which made compiz,unity impossible to use at all or really
slow to use on some hardware (still have some) and that got the priority
over the spread is working by workspace which is an usability issue
but trivial to
** Description changed:
[Test Case]
1. Open few applications on workspace 1
2. Open a few more applications on workspace 2
3. Press the shortcut for 'initiate window picker for all windows' (Super+W
by default)
-- Verify that the scale plugin shows windows from both workspaces, not
@Sebastien, regarding your lengthy comment at Bruno: I don't want to add
more noise but remind you of an older comment. In comment #88 Daniel
stated that this regression is caused by a single commit that caused
multiple regressions in scale. I have the same issues as Bruno on every
single
Just a small comment to possibly clear up a previous one
There is a possibility that the very first time scale all windows from
all ws's is used that instead of going to the scale, windows will
instead try to leave or come into the screen, the windows flying all
over..
This doesn't happen all
Regarding a mechanism to properly migrate users-settings without hacking new
stuff into compiz:
There are several packages that trigger a notification that asks the user to do
stuff. ecryptfs asks the users to write down their passphrases, dropbox asks
them to restart nautilus.
What about
@Matthias: no, we can fix the issues you mention without making the
scale not being by workspace, bug #955035 seems like the issue you
describe?
There are several packages that trigger a notification that asks the
user to do stuff.
right, we hate those, users see it as an annoyance, most don't
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** Changed in: compiz-core
Milestone: 0.9.7.12 = 0.9.7.10
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** Tags added: scale
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does not show all windows. It
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does not show all windows.
Fix committed into lp:compiz at revision 3271
** Changed in: compiz
Status: In Progress = Fix Committed
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** Changed in: compiz-core
Status: In Progress = Fix Committed
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does not show
Thanks very much, Bruno.
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Just uploaded it to the ppa, should build in a few hours. :)
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I have just updated from the PPA. Now scale works again as expected. I
hope Ubuntu devselopers won't give us another broken update in a
while...
Thanks, Bruno.
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On 06/30/2012 10:59 AM, Bonzo wrote:
I have just updated from the PPA. Now scale works again as expected. I
hope Ubuntu devselopers won't give us another broken update in a
while...
Thanks, Bruno.
You really can't 'break' something that's not been fixed yet.
If you choose to use a modified
Ubuntu have released a Compiz update yesterday and the fixed Scale
plugin from Bruno's PPA have been overwritten, reverting to the buggy
Scale plugin. And I cannot revert changes without breaking Unity!!
Months without fixing this bug and doing updates ruining Bruno's fix.
What are Ubuntu
I will update my pkgs with the new release. Started it this afternoon but
didnt have time to finish it. I hope the next update has this fixed...
Sorry for the delay.
On Friday, June 29, 2012, Bonzo bonzo_...@yahoo.es wrote:
Ubuntu have released a Compiz update yesterday and the fixed Scale
Why developers of Ubuntu don't fix this issue once and for all??
2012/6/29 Bruno Santos bsan...@gmail.com
I will update my pkgs with the new release. Started it this afternoon but
didnt have time to finish it. I hope the next update has this fixed...
Sorry for the delay.
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