On 3, Jan 2007, at 2:53 PM, Christoph Birk wrote:
I don't understand. Using Japanese counting W still wins by 2.5 pts
after move 525.
I was rushed in my previous reply but have more time now.
My sgf reader (GoBan on a Mac) says the situation at the
end of the game is:
Black has 71 points on
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 14:05 -0800, David Doshay wrote:
> I do not think that any apology is needed. The length of the game was
> due only to a setting you have that is totally appropriate for a
> Chinese rules tournament game.
I don't agree with this at all. Is it appropriate under Japanese r
> The japanese rules have problems and there have been cases where 2
> professionals argue about the
> outcome of a game. They are not clearly defined for obscure cases. In
> addition, they are not simple. Ing
> rules and chinese rules are both reasonable sets of rules because there is no
David,
I thought of another way to put it which I think, in a way,
defines the difference in the rule-sets.
You are playing a game, and you think the opponent group
is dead. But you are not 100 percent sure.
What do you do? Chinese puts the emphasis on the actual
truth of the situation. Ja
On 3, Jan 2007, at 2:53 PM, Christoph Birk wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, David Doshay wrote:
Chinese, note that SlugGo started passing, indicating that it saw no
purpose in any more moves, at move 239. Here, the boundaries are
clear, the dead stones are clear to a human, and the winner is plenty
c
The japanese rules have problems and there have been cases where 2
professionals argue about the outcome of a game. They are not clearly
defined for obscure cases. In addition, they are not simple. Ing rules and
chinese rules are both reasonable sets of rules because there is no room for
argume
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, David Doshay wrote:
Chinese, note that SlugGo started passing, indicating that it saw no
purpose in any more moves, at move 239. Here, the boundaries are
clear, the dead stones are clear to a human, and the winner is plenty
clear enough.
Yes, W (mogo) wins by 2.5 pts
But t
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 14:30 -0800, David Doshay wrote:
> I think our only real disagreement is when and where we raise
> the bar. I think we could do it very soon in public tournaments.
But I don't feel any of this is important. Japanese rules
isn't raising the bar - it's merely a different set
I agree with your point that Japanese rules give an additional
advantage to the stronger player. I just see the advantage as a
natural extension of the advantage in the real world of being
more efficient in all things, including ending things. I also see
that advantage as dropping more rapidly tha
On 3, Jan 2007, at 1:32 PM, Sylvain Gelly wrote:
Again sorry for this incredibly long game, I was expecting that
programs resign before the end. The politness by passing is enabled
only against human.
I do not think that any apology is needed. The length of the game was
due only to a set
Hi David,
I think this all comes down to pretty much one concept - Chinese
is more forgiving of ignorance. Everything else is just rules
and it doesn't matter what rules you play by as long as you
agree on what they are.
And that's what I don't like about Japanese rules - I feel it
give the str
Hello,
At one point in this lengthy ongoing discussion, it was noted that it
is not polite to keep playing after the result is already determined.
The Japanese rules do penalize these moves by one player as long
as the other player is knowledgeable enough to see the situation
correctly and simpl
On 1, Jan 2007, at 12:15 PM, Jacques Basaldúa wrote:
And now remember how this discussion started: There was a proposal
to penalize pass moves made by Lukasz Lew.
If that proposal is implemented, Japanese programs will no longer
loose one or two points against a better ruleset adapted bot, but
On 2, Jan 2007, at 11:42 PM, Chrilly wrote:
The Cotsen Open has a cash prize for the best computer program,
which I felt somewhat guilty accepting after loosing all games due
to the bug, but SlugGo was the only program entered this year, and
the cash did help to offset the cost of renting the wh
This is exactly how Cilkchess used to compete. Your ran a gui locally
on
your laptop which connected to the program (running in a different part
of
the world) via stdin and stdout - via an ssh connection.
That's what I've always loved about unix - everything is a nice
abstraction.
You normally d
> The Cotsen Open has a cash prize for the best computer program,
> which I felt somewhat guilty accepting after loosing all games due
> to the bug, but SlugGo was the only program entered this year, and
> the cash did help to offset the cost of renting the wheelchair van
> with hydraulic ramp that
Hi Don,
>I know of players who thought Go might be an interesting game, but
>gave up quickly when they realized they could never play by Japanese
>rules.
I am not saying the opposite, and again, I think the ideal rules for
computer championships today are Chinese, but without penalizing
pass mov
- Original Message -
From: "Sanghyeon Seo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "computer-go"
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [computer-go] Sho-Dan-level at 9x9
2007/1/3, Chrilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
As I told before I organized with Nimzo a jackpot bltiz system. When the
2007/1/3, Chrilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
As I told before I organized with Nimzo a jackpot bltiz system. When the
jackpot reached 500 ATS (50 $) there was a queue of GMs who wanted to play.
This was during the tournament and they had their own games running. They
did not care about their own games
19 matches
Mail list logo
