Re: [computer-go] Can Go be solved???... PLEASE help!

2007-01-13 Thread Nick Apperson
I would first just like to say, there have been many times in my life where I have known 1000 times more than someone else and I didn't feel the need to be an ass. I'm sure you are a nice person, but please don't treat me like I am a moron. Some assumptions you made about me that aren't true:

Re: [computer-go] reign of terror

2007-01-13 Thread Sylvain Gelly
Hello, It looks like most of these games are being won in the opening. Doesn't mogo have a big UCT opening book? Is it learning from each game it plays as well? unfortunately no for both. Its opening book is at maximum 4 ply (deepest variation) and if you play first on a yoshi it is 2 ply

Re: [computer-go] Can Go be solved???... Komi

2007-01-13 Thread alain Baeckeroot
Le vendredi 12 janvier 2007 23:45, Chrilly a écrit : It would be interesting if the empirical Komi depends on the playing strength. It seems that for nearly random players, the komi is close to 0 (or maybe 1 under chinese rules to compensate for 1 more stone) Gunnar reported komi = 0.05 for

Re: [computer-go] Useless moves in the endgame and slow move in beginning

2007-01-13 Thread alain Baeckeroot
Le mercredi 10 janvier 2007 10:32, Sylvain Gelly a écrit : Hello, Also on 19x19 mogos plays also some very slow moves in the beginning of 7 handicap game. [...] In 19x19, MoGo only considers local moves, near the move you just played or the last move it played. It even doesn't look at

Re: [computer-go] Useless moves in the endgame and slow move in beginning

2007-01-13 Thread Sylvain Gelly
I did not try something like plays globally until the xxx move then locally. Perhaps it should help. Hmm its probably rather difficult to find the balance, local answer are very often needed. Good stuff would be : when no local answer is needed, then take initiative and play one big/global

Re: [computer-go] Can Go be solved???... PLEASE help!

2007-01-13 Thread Unknown
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 15:51 +, Mehdi Ahmadi wrote: Hello thank in advance for any interests/ responses. I'm unfortunately (or not) doing a dissertation as part of my final year project (undergraduate) on the game of Go. The exact title is: Can the game of go be solved? Analysis of

Re: [computer-go] Can Go be solved???... PLEASE help!

2007-01-13 Thread Don Dailey
Ok Nick, The funny thing about this, is that I was originally defending someone who after making a simple post got flooded with all the stale size of the universe and grains of sands arguments - presumably to prove he was wrong when he made a simple statement which was correct. He made the

Re: [computer-go] Testing against gnugo

2007-01-13 Thread Eduardo Sabbatella Riccardi
It seems that you GTP implementation doesn´t implements the command final_score. About the passes. I found that pass move is not sent by twogtp.py to the other player. So, from a black player point of view, you will receive: genmove black, you will process and return your move. If you

Re: [computer-go] Can Go be solved???... PLEASE help!

2007-01-13 Thread Eduardo Sabbatella Riccardi
On Friday 12 January 2007 16:16, Chris Fant wrote: Seems like a silly title. Any game of perfect information that has a clear rule set can be solved. Plus, some would argue that any Go already is solved (write simple algorithm and wait 1 billion years while it runs). A better question is,

Re: [computer-go] Can Go be solved???... PLEASE help!

2007-01-13 Thread Hideki Kato
CM-1's processing element is not a transputer but a custom (CMOS) 1-bit ALU with 4Ki bit of RAM. I know this is not essential but believe this kind of correction is old men's role :-). alain Baeckeroot: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le samedi 13 janvier 2007 15:06, Don Dailey a écrit : If a computer can

Re: [computer-go] Can Go be solved???... PLEASE help!

2007-01-13 Thread alain Baeckeroot
Le samedi 13 janvier 2007 16:46, Hideki Kato a écrit : CM-1's processing element is not a transputer but a custom (CMOS) 1-bit ALU with 4Ki bit of RAM. I know this is not essential but believe this kind of correction is old men's role :-). oops, true, my memory mixed up some old stuff :)

[computer-go] Can Go be solved???... PLEASE help!

2007-01-13 Thread Nick Apperson
oops, accidentally sent to just Don Dailey -- Forwarded message -- From: Nick Apperson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jan 13, 2007 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Can Go be solved???... PLEASE help! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is a link for anybody that is interested in why I say 2

Re: [computer-go] Can Go be solved???... PLEASE help!

2007-01-13 Thread Erik van der Werf
On 1/14/07, Nick Apperson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Nick Apperson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Essentially says that the maximum amount of information is proportional to the 2D surface around it. Even if we live in a many-dimensional world (I happen to believe we do), the area surrounding it