Re: [computer-go] Library of Effective GO routines v 0.106

2007-02-21 Thread Łukasz Lew
On 2/21/07, Brian Slesinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [resending; apologies if you get this twice.] Hi, Hi Brian, This is my first post to the list, so I'll introduce myself: I'm a software developer and just getting started with playing Go. I read the article in the Economist and

Re: [computer-go] Big board. Torus ?

2007-02-21 Thread alain Baeckeroot
Le mercredi 21 février 2007 02:10, Antonin Lucas a écrit : No need for those difficulties, you can play along this board : http://www.youdzone.com/go.html I think this is not a torus, even if each vertice has 4 neighbours. I can easily mentally transform this into a cylinder, with an

Re: [computer-go] Big board

2007-02-21 Thread Jacques Basaldúa
David Doshay wrote (on behalf of the 3x3 block of pixels applied repeatedly): But if done all the way to just one pixel it will show the winner. Shouldn't that require some kind of error propagation? In dithering techniques, you count the error produced, because it is not the same to count

Re[2]: [computer-go] UCT vs MC

2007-02-21 Thread Dmitry Kamenetsky
Thank you for your answer. However, I am even more confused now. I understand that - is for negamax, but I don't understand why it became 1-. I am trying to implement your algorithm and I just want to know what lines 7, 16 and 26 should be? -Original Message- From: Sylvain Gelly

[computer-go] Library of Effective GO routines v 0.106

2007-02-21 Thread Dmitry Kamenetsky
If Black is the first player then why is he winning so little? If you are not using komi then Black should win more often then White. If you are using komi then the percentages should be more or less even, i.e. 50%-50%. Am I missing something? ___

Re: Re[2]: [computer-go] UCT vs MC

2007-02-21 Thread Sylvain Gelly
Thank you for your answer. However, I am even more confused now. I understand that - is for negamax, but I don't understand why it became 1-. I am trying to implement your algorithm and I just want to know what lines 7, 16 and 26 should be? It became a 1- because I said a mistake while

Re: [computer-go] Big board

2007-02-21 Thread David Doshay
Sorry, my mind jumped to the physics, and I should have said in the limit of an infinite board. Cheers, David On 21, Feb 2007, at 2:43 AM, Jacques Basaldúa wrote: David Doshay wrote (on behalf of the 3x3 block of pixels applied repeatedly): But if done all the way to just one pixel it

Re: [computer-go] Big board

2007-02-21 Thread David Doshay
Hi Chris, Again, thanks for the work. But again, I need to ask for a small change to see what I am looking for. Can you please replace each 3x3 block of pixels with a single pixel? My mind can't do the transformation visually. I really do want each lattice to be smaller than the previous, but

Re: [computer-go] Library of Effective GO routines v 0.106

2007-02-21 Thread Brian Slesinsky
The only real change is to link against the Boost libraries I installed using DarwinPorts. Here are the diffs: -CFLAGS += -Wall #-static #-Wno-long-long -Wextra -Wno-variadic-macros +CFLAGS += -Wall -I/opt/local/include -L/opt/local/lib It's a desktop and I don't see any options for power

Re: Re[2]: [computer-go] UCT vs MC

2007-02-21 Thread Don Dailey
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 16:56 +0300, Dmitry Kamenetsky wrote: Thank you for your answer. However, I am even more confused now. I understand that - is for negamax, but I don't understand why it became 1-. I am trying to implement your algorithm and I just want to know what lines 7, 16 and 26

Re: [computer-go] Big board

2007-02-21 Thread Weston Markham
That board needs to have the inside edge be connected to its outside edge, in order to represent a torus. Weston On 2/20/07, Antonin Lucas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need for those difficulties, you can play along this board : http://www.youdzone.com/go.html On 2/21/07, Weston Markham

Re: [computer-go] Big board

2007-02-21 Thread Weston Markham
(oops. Other people have already pointed this out, in an appropriately re-named thread.) On 2/21/07, Weston Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That board needs to have the inside edge be connected to its outside edge, in order to represent a torus. Weston

[computer-go] UCT article

2007-02-21 Thread David Doshay
A gross simplification, but most news articles are ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070221/tc_nm/science_go_dc_2 Cheers, David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] UCT article

2007-02-21 Thread David Weiss
Doshay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A gross simplification, but most news articles are ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070221/tc_nm/science_go_dc_2 Cheers, David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer

Re: [computer-go] UCT article

2007-02-21 Thread steve uurtamo
: [computer-go] UCT article A gross simplification, but most news articles are ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070221/tc_nm/science_go_dc_2 Cheers, David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [computer-go] UCT article

2007-02-21 Thread Chris Fant
Marbles are always spherical. Playing Go with marbles is comical. On 2/21/07, Sylvain Gelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my favorite line: In Go all marbles are identical... My English prevent me to understand the subtlety here. Is there any relation to the type of stone meaning of marble?

Re: [computer-go] UCT article

2007-02-21 Thread Thomas Johnson
It's funny to English-speakers because when we think of marbles, we're thinking of something like this http://www.atoygarden.com/images/products/Marbles300.jpg Some games are played with marbles, but since in English the go pieces are called stones the concept of playing Go with marbles evokes

Re: [computer-go] UCT article

2007-02-21 Thread Richard Brown
Sylvain Gelly wrote: my favorite line: In Go all marbles are identical... My English prevent me to understand the subtlety here. Is there any relation to the type of stone meaning of marble? No, not really. Here the meaning of marbles is that of children's toys, small spherical

Re: [computer-go] UCT article

2007-02-21 Thread Don Dailey
There is also the expression, He isn't playing with all his marbles! I don't think the author did this by accident, instead I think he liked the sound of it. It's common for writers to take liberties like this to jazz up an article. - Don On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 14:01 -0800, Thomas Johnson

Re: [computer-go] UCT article

2007-02-21 Thread Sylvain Gelly
Thank you all for your precise answers! Sylvain p.s. the find out more link at the bottom of your page http://www.inria.fr/futurs/ressources-1/computer-culture/mogo-champion-program-for-go-games is pointing to the wrong place, isn't it? What do you mean? You mean you can't access the

Re: [computer-go] GtpStatiscics

2007-02-21 Thread Markus Enzenberger
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Chris Fant wrote: It seems that GtpStatistics (java tool that comes in the GoGui package) is not sending a quit command to my gtp player. This results in me having to manually kill the gtp player process after each run. please report GoGui bugs to the GoGui bug

Re: [computer-go] Big board

2007-02-21 Thread Chris Fant
Can you please replace each 3x3 block of pixels with a single pixel? My mind can't do the transformation visually. I really do want each lattice to be smaller than the previous, but at the same pixel scale. What I am looking for is how much the renormalized lattice looks like a piece of the

Re: [computer-go] Big board

2007-02-21 Thread David Doshay
On 21, Feb 2007, at 4:41 PM, Chris Fant wrote: Can you please replace each 3x3 block of pixels with a single pixel? My mind can't do the transformation visually. I really do want each lattice to be smaller than the previous, but at the same pixel scale. What I am looking for is how much the

Re: [computer-go] Big board

2007-02-21 Thread Chris Fant
It is pretty clear to me that, if the analogy to MC simulations in magnets is of any value, the temperature of the Go game you show is hotter than optimal. If the temperature were at the transition temperature, then each of the renormalized lattices would look just like a piece that size cut

Re: [computer-go] Big board. Torus ?

2007-02-21 Thread Matt Gokey
Stuart A. Yeates wrote: On 2/21/07, alain Baeckeroot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le mercredi 21 février 2007 02:10, Antonin Lucas a écrit: No need for those difficulties, you can play along this board : http://www.youdzone.com/go.html I think this is not a torus, even if each vertice has 4

Re: [computer-go] Big board. Torus ?

2007-02-21 Thread David Doshay
I have seen such a board for sale online. I would have to search to find it again. Cheers, David On 21, Feb 2007, at 9:29 PM, Nick Apperson wrote: I considered making a version of go that plays with tetrahedral geometry. It is a 3D arrangment where all nodes have 4 neighbors and the

Re[2]: [computer-go] Library of Effective GO routines v 0.106

2007-02-21 Thread Dmitry Kamenetsky
ah I see. I ran some tests and here is what I got: Komi=7.5 P(Black wins)=41.4% Komi=6.5 P(Black wins)=44.5% Komi=5.5 P(Black wins)=44.1% Komi=4.5 P(Black wins)=46.7% Komi=3.5 P(Black wins)=47.0% Komi=2.5 P(Black wins)=49.7% Komi=2.0 P(Black wins)=49.7% Komi=1.5 P(Black wins)=49.6%