Re: [SPAM] [computer-go] MoGo Zones

2009-10-26 Thread Olivier Teytaud
(Sylvain et al. 2006) describes the use of CFG-based zones in random simulations to simulate only the local position and tune the score based on few thousands of simulations of outside of the zone. It doesn't seem the idea is too practical (especially with RAVE, but there seem to be more

[computer-go] Re: MoGo Zones

2009-10-26 Thread Hideki Kato
Hi Pasky, Petr Baudis: 20091024070008.gh6...@machine.or.cz: Hi! (Sylvain et al. 2006) describes the use of CFG-based zones in random simulations to simulate only the local position and tune the score based on few thousands of simulations of outside of the zone. It doesn't seem the idea is

[computer-go] First ever win of a computer against a pro 9P as black (game of Go, 9x9).

2009-10-26 Thread Olivier Teytaud
...) - sorry for the people I've forgotten, names in Chinese are difficult for me :-) 20091026-1-Zhou vs. MoGoTW9X9.sgf Description: application/go-sgf ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [computer-go] First ever win of a computer against a pro 9P as black (game of Go, 9x9).

2009-10-26 Thread Richard J. Lorentz
How things changes. You would never hear a comment like Remark c) below concerning the old alpha-beta chess engines. Olivier Teytaud wrote: Dear all, For information, our Taiwanese partners(**) for a ANR grant have organized public demonstration games between MoGoTW (based on MoGo

Re: [computer-go] First ever win of a computer against a pro 9P as black (game of Go, 9x9).

2009-10-26 Thread Petr Baudis
Hi! On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 07:19:45PM +0100, Olivier Teytaud wrote: For information, our Taiwanese partners(**) for a ANR grant have organized public demonstration games between Thanks for the information! MoGoTW (based on MoGo 4.86.Soissons + the TW modifications developped

Re: [computer-go] First ever win of a computer against a pro 9P as black (game of Go, 9x9).

2009-10-26 Thread Don Dailey
2009/10/26 Richard J. Lorentz lore...@csun.edu How things changes. You would never hear a comment like Remark c) below concerning the old alpha-beta chess engines. Yes, this group does not have a consensus at all on this. On the one hand we hear that MCTS has reached a dead end and there

Re: [computer-go] First ever win of a computer against a pro 9P as black (game of Go, 9x9).

2009-10-26 Thread Don Dailey
Peter, did your comment get cut off? Anyway, I agree with you on this. Humans are not stronger on short time settings. I believe that SOME humans could be better if they have a problem staying interested for a longer period of time and the longer time control upsets their rhythm or

Re: [computer-go] First ever win of a computer against a pro 9P as black (game of Go, 9x9).

2009-10-26 Thread Petr Baudis
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 04:20:24PM -0400, Don Dailey wrote: Peter, did your comment get cut off? Oops, indeed. Prone to tactical mistakes in high time pressure is what I meant to say. Anyway, I agree with you on this. Humans are not stronger on short time settings. I believe that

[computer-go] First ever win of a computer against a pro 9P as black (game of Go, 9x9).

2009-10-26 Thread Martin Mueller
Congratulations Olivier and the MoGo team! Good job! Now let us know the secrets of MoGoTW :) Did you get pro commentary on the game? Martin ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [computer-go] OT: AI article I found interesting

2009-10-26 Thread Mark Boon
2009/10/24 Dave Dyer dd...@real-me.net: At 10:12 AM 10/24/2009, Joshua Shriver wrote: Came across this today, and since this is also an AI oriented list thought some of you might enjoy it too. http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/future-tech/the-past-present-and-future-of-ai-643838

Re: [computer-go] First ever win of a computer against a pro 9P as black (game of Go, 9x9).

2009-10-26 Thread Mark Boon
2009/10/26 Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com: 2009/10/26 Richard J. Lorentz lore...@csun.edu Yes,  this group does not have a consensus at all on this.   On the one hand we hear that MCTS has reached a dead end and there is no benefit from extra CPU power, and on the other hand we have these

Re: [computer-go] First ever win of a computer against a pro 9P as black (game of Go, 9x9).

2009-10-26 Thread Don Dailey
Yes, you understood me right. I disagree with Olivier on this one.To me it is self-evident that humans are more scalable than computers because we have better heuristics. When that is not true it is usually because the task is trivial, not because it is hard. - Don On Mon, Oct 26, 2009

Re: [computer-go] First ever win of a computer against a pro 9P as black (game of Go, 9x9).

2009-10-26 Thread Mark Boon
2009/10/26 Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com: Yes, you understood me right.   I disagree with Olivier on this one.    To me it is self-evident that humans are more scalable than computers because we have better heuristics.   When that is not true it is usually because the task is trivial, not

RE: [computer-go] First ever win of a computer against a pro 9P as black (game of Go, 9x9).

2009-10-26 Thread David Fotland
Congratulations. Can you put it on cgos 9x9 so we can see what cgos rating it takes to beat a pro? Maybe zen can return at the same time so we can get a comparison. David From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Teytaud