Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch (Jason House's paper)

2008-09-27 Thread Jason House
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:14 AM, "Álvaro Begué" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Jason House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Jason House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sep 24, 2008, at 2:40 PM, J

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch (Jason House's paper)

2008-09-27 Thread Álvaro Begué
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Jason House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Jason House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> On Sep 24, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Jacques Basaldúa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >> >>> Therefore, the variance of the normal

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch (Jason House's paper)

2008-09-27 Thread Jason House
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Jason House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sep 24, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Jacques Basaldúa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr ote: Therefore, the variance of the normal that best approximates the distribution of both RAVE and wins/(wins + losses) is th

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-25 Thread Jason House
Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:computer-go- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason House Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:34 AM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:08 -0300, Douglas Drumond wrote: Attached is a quick writ

RE: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-24 Thread David Fotland
y, September 24, 2008 4:34 AM > To: computer-go > Subject: Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch > > On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:08 -0300, Douglas Drumond wrote: > > > Attached is a quick write up of what I was talking about with some > math. > > > > > > PS

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch (Jason House's paper)

2008-09-24 Thread Jason House
On Sep 24, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Jacques Basaldúa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "The approach of this paper is to treat all win rate estimations as independent estimators with additive white Gaussian noise. " Have you tried if that works? (As Łukasz Lew wrote "experimental set up would be usefu

[computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch (Jason House's paper)

2008-09-24 Thread Jacques Basaldúa
> "The approach of this paper is to treat all win rate estimations as independent estimators with additive white Gaussian noise. " Have you tried if that works? (As Łukasz Lew wrote "experimental setup would be useful") I guess there may be a flaw in your idea, but I am not a specialist. I will

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-24 Thread Łukasz Lew
Its exactly what I derived myself, so I understand it :) But it might be difficult for causal reader. My suggestions: - you could add factor graph to ease thinking about it. - [most important] describe what x, sigma_i, and u_i are - [important] you could explicitly state bayes theorem to derive po

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-23 Thread Olivier Teytaud
It was 800, just like last time, but the networking had been upgraded from > ethernet to infiniband. Olivier said that this should have been a good > improvement because he felt that communication overhead was significant. > Precisely, at the previous game, we had reduced the depth and frequency o

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-23 Thread Darren Cook
>>> It was 800, just like last time, but the networking had been upgraded >>> from ethernet to infiniband. Olivier said that this should have been a >>> good improvement because he felt that communication overhead was >>> significant. I thought Olivier had previously said there was very little ove

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-23 Thread Douglas Drumond
> Attached is a quick write up of what I was talking about with some math. > > PS: Any tips on cleanup and making it a mini publication would be > appreciated. I've never published a paper before. Would this be too small? Better add an abstract, but what I missed most was bibliography. []'s

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-23 Thread Jason House
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Łukasz Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 17:58, Jason House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2008, at 7:59 AM, Magnus Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > The results of the math are most easilly expressed in terms

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-23 Thread Hideki Kato
David, I've found a description that Infiniband was improved from 2 x 4X IB (20 Gbps) to 8 x 8X IB (160 Gbps) on Jun 2008 at the bottom of 6th page of a pdf about Huygens system: https://www.os3.nl/_media/2007-2008/courses/inr/week7/sne_20080320_walter.pdf I guess that is the "better hardware"

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-22 Thread David Doshay
On 22, Sep 2008, at 10:50 PM, Hideki Kato wrote: David Doshay: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: It was 800, just like last time, but the networking had been upgraded from ethernet to infiniband. Olivier said that this should have been a good improvement because he felt that communication overhead was s

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-22 Thread Hideki Kato
David Doshay: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >It was 800, just like last time, but the networking had been upgraded >from ethernet to infiniband. Olivier said that this should have been a >good improvement because he felt that communication overhead was >significant. Really previous Huygens used Ethe

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-22 Thread David Doshay
It was 800, just like last time, but the networking had been upgraded from ethernet to infiniband. Olivier said that this should have been a good improvement because he felt that communication overhead was significant. Cheers, David On 22, Sep 2008, at 6:06 AM, terry mcintyre wrote: Con

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-22 Thread Jason House
On Sep 22, 2008, at 7:59 AM, Magnus Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In the case of the ladders the heavy playouts of Valkyria correctly prunes playing out ladders for the loser. But sometimes in the playouts the ladder is broken and after that there is a chance that the stones escape a

RE: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-22 Thread David Fotland
ember correctly). A general solution is a little tricky. David > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:computer-go- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Dailey > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:23 AM > To: computer-go > Subject: Re: [computer-go] MoGo v

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-22 Thread Don Dailey
I think AMAF is a feature not a bug. It's only a matter of how judiciously it's applied. Also, almost any evaluation feature in a game playing program is a bug - meaning it is an imperfect approximation of what you really want. Of course it could turn out that AMAF got them in trouble in t

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-22 Thread terry mcintyre
Consider this as tentative, since I heard it about 3rd-hand, but I believe the number of processors used to have been 3000. Congratulations to the Mogo team; good luck improving your program to deal with the ladder and life-and-death issues. Looking forward to further information! I have alw

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-22 Thread Don Dailey
I'm curious about a couple of things in particular. Is this a bug and how much time would be required for Mogo to have played the correct move if it wasn't. Of course I'm also interested in ways to solve this with less deep searches or better play-outs. - Don On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 13:59 +02

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-22 Thread Magnus Persson
Quoting Mark Boon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Playing out that fake ladder in the first game meant an instant loss. Surprising. And embarassing. Any information on the number of processors used? The interesting question is if there is a silly bug or something more sophisticated. I have struggled

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-22 Thread Mark Boon
ns.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7154 > The sgf's for the two games played are on page 2 > > Dave Hillis > > -Original Message- > From: mingwu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; computer-go > Sent: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 9:22 pm > Subject: Re: [compu

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-21 Thread dhillismail
Subject: Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch Anyone knows the result, or better the game sgf? On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:57 AM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Great news! ? Look forward to seeing it happen. ?I hope Mogo has some great hardware. - Don On Fri, 2008-09-

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-21 Thread mingwu
Anyone knows the result, or better the game sgf? On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:57 AM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great news! Look forward to seeing it happen. I hope Mogo has some > great hardware. > > - Don > > > On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 15:54 -0700, David Doshay wrote: > > MoGo and Myu

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-05 Thread Don Dailey
Great news! Look forward to seeing it happen. I hope Mogo has some great hardware. - Don On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 15:54 -0700, David Doshay wrote: > MoGo and Myungwan Kim will hold an exhibition rematch at the Cotsen > Open on Saturday September 20. The exhibition will start at about 5pm > P

[computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

2008-09-05 Thread David Doshay
MoGo and Myungwan Kim will hold an exhibition rematch at the Cotsen Open on Saturday September 20. The exhibition will start at about 5pm Pacific Daylight time. As probably known by all on this list, MoGo won the last game, held at the US Go Congress in Portland Oregon, when it was given a