Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-07 Thread Vlad Dumitrescu
On Jan 6, 2008 11:37 PM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure I get the whole picture regarding multi-dimensional > > ratings. How can you compare two players with a 2-dimensional rating? > > You can't, so how would one use this rating? In my book, a rating's > > goal is to make t

Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread Don Dailey
x27;t seen strong statistical evidence for intransitivity in > computer go, but I don't think anyone has looked very hard yet. > > - Dave Hillis > > -Original Message----- > From: Vlad Dumitrescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: computer-go > Sent: Sun, 6 Jan 200

Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread dhillismail
sitivity in computer go, but I don't think anyone has looked very hard yet. - Dave Hillis -Original Message- From: Vlad Dumitrescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: computer-go Sent: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19 On Jan 6, 2008 11:00 PM,

Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread Don Dailey
Vlad Dumitrescu wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 11:00 PM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The idea of a non one dimension rating model is interesting. If you >> decide to pursue this I can give you the CGOS data in a compact format, >> 1 line per result. >> > > Hi all, > > I'm not sur

Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread Rémi Coulom
Vlad Dumitrescu wrote: On Jan 6, 2008 11:00 PM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The idea of a non one dimension rating model is interesting. If you decide to pursue this I can give you the CGOS data in a compact format, 1 line per result. Hi all, I'm not sure I get the whole pi

Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread steve uurtamo
seful than storing the n^2-n per-pair results. s. - Original Message From: Vlad Dumitrescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: computer-go Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 5:12:56 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19 On Jan 6, 2008 11:00 PM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread Vlad Dumitrescu
On Jan 6, 2008 11:00 PM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The idea of a non one dimension rating model is interesting. If you > decide to pursue this I can give you the CGOS data in a compact format, > 1 line per result. Hi all, I'm not sure I get the whole picture regarding multi-dimensi

Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread Don Dailey
Rémi, The idea of a non one dimension rating model is interesting. If you decide to pursue this I can give you the CGOS data in a compact format, 1 line per result. I thought of this idea too, but I didn't try to produce a model.It would be easier to test and build such a model however if

Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread Don Dailey
My guess is that this is a combination of some intransitivity and low sample size. 100 games isn't very much data in the CS vs MFGO. As far as intransivity, perhaps Crazy Stone has some particular strength that works very well against a weakness in MFGO. The values do not make a grea

RE: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread David Fotland
Coulom > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:27 AM > To: computer-go > Subject: Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19 > > steve uurtamo wrote: > > did you optimize parameters in MFGO by playing against > > gnugo? > > > > that'd do it. > > > >

Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread Rémi Coulom
steve uurtamo wrote: did you optimize parameters in MFGO by playing against gnugo? that'd do it. s. Well, I don't know about David, but I do _all_ my testing and optimizing against GNU. Rémi ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.or

Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread Rémi Coulom
David Fotland wrote: The styles of CS (CS-9-17-10k-1CPU), MFGO (mfgo12exp-15), and GNUGO (gnugo3.7.10_10) are different, and it's generating some odd results. Many Faces beats GnuGo 70%. There are not many games, but this is consistent with over 100 test games I've run. CS beats GnuGo 55%. Ove

Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread steve uurtamo
did you optimize parameters in MFGO by playing against gnugo? that'd do it. s. - Original Message From: David Fotland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: computer-go Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 12:52:10 PM Subject: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19 The styles of CS (CS-9-17-10k-

[computer-go] Odd results on 19x19

2008-01-06 Thread David Fotland
The styles of CS (CS-9-17-10k-1CPU), MFGO (mfgo12exp-15), and GNUGO (gnugo3.7.10_10) are different, and it's generating some odd results. Many Faces beats GnuGo 70%. There are not many games, but this is consistent with over 100 test games I've run. CS beats GnuGo 55%. Over 100 games played. CS