Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

2016-05-31 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi Petri,   "Petri Pitkanen" > ... I do doubt if strong go programs give too much for analysis. > Even if they are 1p and can show you a better move it is not worth > much for a human when there is no reasoning available how to zoom > into that move. that is just

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

2016-05-31 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi Petr, "Petr Baudis" > > ... It is enough that the [CHESS] program is tactically strong. > > But strong Go programs are traditionally strategically strong, but > tactically *weak*. "tactical" was meant for Chess. In Go, players may use "the other strengths" of go programs.

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

2016-05-31 Thread David Ongaro
Hi Ingo, > On 31 May 2016, at 00:07, Ingo Althöfer <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > > Hi Petr, > > "Petr Baudis" >>> ... It is enough that the [CHESS] program is tactically strong. >> >> But strong Go programs are traditionally strategically strong, but >> tactically *weak*. >

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

2016-05-31 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 31/05/2016 20:45, David Ongaro wrote: > I suspect Aja is right and Remi should go the path of integrating the > GPU even if it's just to get more "oomph" for CS. That he tried to > learn GPU programming from scratch is a noble attempt but I guess > it's just to ambitious to accomplish in a

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

2016-05-31 Thread David Ongaro
> On 31 May 2016, at 13:11, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > > On 31/05/2016 20:45, David Ongaro wrote: >> I suspect Aja is right and Remi should go the path of integrating the >> GPU even if it's just to get more "oomph" for CS. That he tried to >> learn GPU programming from

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

2016-05-31 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi Petr, "Petr Baudis" > (I also think that it's algorithmically a lot more complicated to build > these analysis tools for Go, for example adding a good tsumego solver to > your program. It is not necessary to wait for a strong tsumego solver before spreading a nice analysis