Re: [Computer-go] Zen lost to Mi Yu Ting

2017-03-22 Thread Detlef Schmicker
oakfoam value network does exactly this, we have 6 komi layers -7.5 -5.5 -0.5 0.5 5.5 7.5 (+ and - due to color played) and trained from 4d+ kgs games with this: if (c_played==1): if ("0.5" in komi): komiplane=1; if ("6.5" in komi or "2.75" in komi or "5.5" in komi): #komi 6.5 a

Re: [Computer-go] Zen lost to Mi Yu Ting

2017-03-22 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 22-03-17 00:36, cazen...@ai.univ-paris8.fr wrote: > > Why can't you reuse the same self played games but score them If you have self-play games that are played to the final position so scoring is fool-proof, then it could work. But I think things get really interesting when timing of a pass ma

Re: [Computer-go] Zen lost to Mi Yu Ting

2017-03-22 Thread Darren Cook
> The issue with Japanese rules is easily solved by refusing to play under > ridiculous rules. Yes, I do have strong opinions. :) And the problem with driver-less cars is easily "solved" by banning all road users that are not also driver-less cars (including all pedestrians, bikes and wild animal

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-22 Thread Paweł Morawiecki
> > > RATHER OFTEN the outcome was a score where both sides thought > to have won. In the 5.5/7.5 komi example from Go this means that > outcomes with +6 or +7 points for Black on the board would occur > often. > > It looks like this issue is serious again was a factor in today's game against Park

Re: [Computer-go] Zen lost to Mi Yu Ting

2017-03-22 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 22-03-17 09:41, Darren Cook wrote: >> The issue with Japanese rules is easily solved by refusing to play >> under ridiculous rules. Yes, I do have strong opinions. :) > > And the problem with driver-less cars is easily "solved" by banning > all road users that are not also driver-less cars (inc

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-22 Thread Hideki Kato
We have set komi to 5.5 today. This looks worked fine. The strange yose moves were caused by unknown reason. We are seeking the cause(s). Observed fact: The upper left center three black stones cannot be captured but Zen looks evaluated them as dead. When Zen noticed the truth, horizen effe

Re: [Computer-go] Zen lost to Mi Yu Ting

2017-03-22 Thread Álvaro Begué
Thank you, Gian-Carlo. I couldn't have said it better. Álvaro. On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > On 22-03-17 09:41, Darren Cook wrote: > >> The issue with Japanese rules is easily solved by refusing to play > >> under ridiculous rules. Yes, I do have strong opinion

Re: [Computer-go] Zen lost to Mi Yu Ting

2017-03-22 Thread Darren Cook
>>> The issue with Japanese rules is easily solved by refusing to play >>> under ridiculous rules. Yes, I do have strong opinions. :) >> >> And the problem with driver-less cars is easily "solved" by banning >> all road users that are not also driver-less cars (including all >> pedestrians, bikes

Re: [Computer-go] Zen lost to Mi Yu Ting

2017-03-22 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 22-03-17 16:27, Darren Cook wrote: > (Japanese rules are not *that* hard. IIRC, Many Faces, and all other > programs, including my own, scored in them There is a huge difference between doing some variation of territory scoring and implementing Japanese rules. Understanding this difference will

Re: [Computer-go] Zen lost to Mi Yu Ting

2017-03-22 Thread John Tromp
>> (Japanese rules are not *that* hard. IIRC, Many Faces, and all other >> programs, including my own, scored in them > > There is a huge difference between doing some variation of territory > scoring and implementing Japanese rules. Understanding this difference > will get you some way to understa

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-22 Thread Hideki Kato
The strange moves (start with 234th move) could be caused a deep search together with the misrecognition of the seki (described in previous post). With one-shot testing, Zen always chose H14 instead of R18 (actual 234th move), which looks normal. (Time setting was 2 min for a move.) An impor