Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-18 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi Petri, your comment was covered already by te moe general comments of Robert Jasiek and THomas Wolf. Thanks nevertheless. Ingo.     Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2016 um 12:13 Uhr Von: "Petri Pitkanen" An: computer-go Betreff: Re:

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-18 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 18.01.2016 15:58, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: understand the development of the fight during the running game. Simply speaking, there is a relation between a) captures / avoiding captures and thus controlled regions of the board and b) score peaks. This is so for ordinary captures, ordinary

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-18 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 18.01.2016 08:47, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: My main motivation for thinking about Seki was/is the question if it is possible to recognize upcoming Seki situations in the histograms of an MCTS bot As you have understood now, seki detection is not only a shape / topology question but mainly is

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-18 Thread Petri Pitkanen
*"Seki means a constellation on the go board with two* *living neighboring groups: one by Black, the other oneby White. Each of the groups has only one eye"* Why would you need an eye for seki? http://senseis.xmp.net/?Seki Shared liberties is good enough and quite typical in my limited

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-18 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi Robert, thanks for your new (again) interesting comments. Perhaps it would be interesting to perform some experiements with a "CrazyRobert" team sooner or later ("Crazy" stand for CrazyStone, the computer part) - in the spirit of the CrazyManja experiments in 2015. I will contact you by

[Computer-go] Recognizing Seki

2016-01-18 Thread Martin Mueller
We wrote a paper 10 years ago about how to recognize seki with “traditional” search techniques (not MCTS) X. Niu, A. Kishimoto, and M. Müller. Recognizing seki in computer Go . In J. van den Herik, S.-C. Hsu, T.-s. Hsu, and H. Donkers,