Re: [Computer-go] McMahon tournaments on KGS

[Nick Wedd]

I have had second thoughts about this.

People have encouraged me to use McMahon instead of Swiss for the KGS bot
tournaments. But they may, like me, not have realised what they were asking
for - that they would be getting an American McMahon, not a European one.

Also, iniitial rating plays a larger part in deciding the result in an
American McMahon than in a European one. KGS ratings are based entirely on
19x19 games. I don't think we want the results of small-board tournaments
to be influenced by strength at 19x19 Go.

Nick

On 18 May 2016 at 21:23, Nick Wedd  wrote:

> I have now realised that it was a language problem.  "McMahon tournament"
> means different things in Europe and America. I knew only the European
> meaning, and KGS implements the American version.
>
> I assume that those who wrote here encouraging me to I hold the monthly
> KGS bot tournaments in McMahon format were referring to the American
> version; and that is what I can use.  I hope they can advise me on sensible
> settings for "Handicap", "Low bar", and "High bar".
>
> Nick
>
> On 18 May 2016 at 17:38, Nick Wedd  wrote:
>
>> On 18 May 2016 at 17:31, Xavier Combelle 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> AFter watching that it was a 13x13 tournament I would say that the more
>>> probable is that KGS don't know how to handle handicap tournament with
>>> small board
>>>
>>
>> That's a possibility.  So I should run a test 19x19 tournament. I still
>> need a volunteer Ranked Robot to test the format.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2016-05-18 18:30 GMT+02:00 Xavier Combelle :
>>>
 According to https://www.gokgs.com/help/_fr_FR/tournMcMahon.html
 McMahon avoid high handicap. You could also setup a swiss  with handicap
 tournament

 2016-05-18 18:06 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd :

> I had been persuaded, by postings to this list, to run the monthly KGS
> bot tournaments with a McMahon division.
>
> I now think that this probably won't work.  I have run a test McMahon
> tournament. No handicaps were assigned, or reported in the results.  This
> *may* have been because none of the entrants had a confirmed rating
> (one had a ? rating, four were unrated), but I doubt it.  Even if all the
> players were treated as having the same initial rating (probably 8k, where
> I had set the lower bar), handicaps should have been used by the final
> rounds.
>
> You can see the results at
> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=n=1040
>
> I will be willing to run another test tournament, today or tomorrow,
> if someone can provide a "Ranked Robot" to help with the test.  It should
> be able to beat gnugo3pt8 consistently, and should preferably be willing 
> to
> play 9x9 Go.  All you need to do is leave it running on KGS in tournament
> mode, and email me with its name.  I have left gnugo3pt8 running, to
> restore its confirmed rating.
>
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Re: [Computer-go] McMahon tournaments on KGS

[Nick Wedd]

I have now realised that it was a language problem.  "McMahon tournament"
means different things in Europe and America. I knew only the European
meaning, and KGS implements the American version.

I assume that those who wrote here encouraging me to I hold the monthly KGS
bot tournaments in McMahon format were referring to the American version;
and that is what I can use.  I hope they can advise me on sensible settings
for "Handicap", "Low bar", and "High bar".

Nick

On 18 May 2016 at 17:38, Nick Wedd  wrote:

> On 18 May 2016 at 17:31, Xavier Combelle 
> wrote:
>
>> AFter watching that it was a 13x13 tournament I would say that the more
>> probable is that KGS don't know how to handle handicap tournament with
>> small board
>>
>
> That's a possibility.  So I should run a test 19x19 tournament. I still
> need a volunteer Ranked Robot to test the format.
>
> Nick
>
>
>>
>> 2016-05-18 18:30 GMT+02:00 Xavier Combelle :
>>
>>> According to https://www.gokgs.com/help/_fr_FR/tournMcMahon.html
>>> McMahon avoid high handicap. You could also setup a swiss  with handicap
>>> tournament
>>>
>>> 2016-05-18 18:06 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd :
>>>
 I had been persuaded, by postings to this list, to run the monthly KGS
 bot tournaments with a McMahon division.

 I now think that this probably won't work.  I have run a test McMahon
 tournament. No handicaps were assigned, or reported in the results.  This
 *may* have been because none of the entrants had a confirmed rating
 (one had a ? rating, four were unrated), but I doubt it.  Even if all the
 players were treated as having the same initial rating (probably 8k, where
 I had set the lower bar), handicaps should have been used by the final
 rounds.

 You can see the results at
 http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=n=1040

 I will be willing to run another test tournament, today or tomorrow, if
 someone can provide a "Ranked Robot" to help with the test.  It should be
 able to beat gnugo3pt8 consistently, and should preferably be willing to
 play 9x9 Go.  All you need to do is leave it running on KGS in tournament
 mode, and email me with its name.  I have left gnugo3pt8 running, to
 restore its confirmed rating.

 Nick
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Re: [Computer-go] McMahon tournaments on KGS

[Nick Wedd]

On 18 May 2016 at 17:31, Xavier Combelle  wrote:

> AFter watching that it was a 13x13 tournament I would say that the more
> probable is that KGS don't know how to handle handicap tournament with
> small board
>

That's a possibility.  So I should run a test 19x19 tournament. I still
need a volunteer Ranked Robot to test the format.

Nick


>
> 2016-05-18 18:30 GMT+02:00 Xavier Combelle :
>
>> According to https://www.gokgs.com/help/_fr_FR/tournMcMahon.html McMahon
>> avoid high handicap. You could also setup a swiss  with handicap tournament
>>
>> 2016-05-18 18:06 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd :
>>
>>> I had been persuaded, by postings to this list, to run the monthly KGS
>>> bot tournaments with a McMahon division.
>>>
>>> I now think that this probably won't work.  I have run a test McMahon
>>> tournament. No handicaps were assigned, or reported in the results.  This
>>> *may* have been because none of the entrants had a confirmed rating
>>> (one had a ? rating, four were unrated), but I doubt it.  Even if all the
>>> players were treated as having the same initial rating (probably 8k, where
>>> I had set the lower bar), handicaps should have been used by the final
>>> rounds.
>>>
>>> You can see the results at
>>> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=n=1040
>>>
>>> I will be willing to run another test tournament, today or tomorrow, if
>>> someone can provide a "Ranked Robot" to help with the test.  It should be
>>> able to beat gnugo3pt8 consistently, and should preferably be willing to
>>> play 9x9 Go.  All you need to do is leave it running on KGS in tournament
>>> mode, and email me with its name.  I have left gnugo3pt8 running, to
>>> restore its confirmed rating.
>>>
>>> Nick
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Re: [Computer-go] McMahon tournaments on KGS

[Xavier Combelle]

AFter watching that it was a 13x13 tournament I would say that the more
probable is that KGS don't know how to handle handicap tournament with
small board

2016-05-18 18:30 GMT+02:00 Xavier Combelle :

> According to https://www.gokgs.com/help/_fr_FR/tournMcMahon.html McMahon
> avoid high handicap. You could also setup a swiss  with handicap tournament
>
> 2016-05-18 18:06 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd :
>
>> I had been persuaded, by postings to this list, to run the monthly KGS
>> bot tournaments with a McMahon division.
>>
>> I now think that this probably won't work.  I have run a test McMahon
>> tournament. No handicaps were assigned, or reported in the results.  This
>> *may* have been because none of the entrants had a confirmed rating (one
>> had a ? rating, four were unrated), but I doubt it.  Even if all the
>> players were treated as having the same initial rating (probably 8k, where
>> I had set the lower bar), handicaps should have been used by the final
>> rounds.
>>
>> You can see the results at
>> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=n=1040
>>
>> I will be willing to run another test tournament, today or tomorrow, if
>> someone can provide a "Ranked Robot" to help with the test.  It should be
>> able to beat gnugo3pt8 consistently, and should preferably be willing to
>> play 9x9 Go.  All you need to do is leave it running on KGS in tournament
>> mode, and email me with its name.  I have left gnugo3pt8 running, to
>> restore its confirmed rating.
>>
>> Nick
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Re: [Computer-go] McMahon tournaments on KGS

[Xavier Combelle]

According to https://www.gokgs.com/help/_fr_FR/tournMcMahon.html McMahon
avoid high handicap. You could also setup a swiss  with handicap tournament

2016-05-18 18:06 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd :

> I had been persuaded, by postings to this list, to run the monthly KGS bot
> tournaments with a McMahon division.
>
> I now think that this probably won't work.  I have run a test McMahon
> tournament. No handicaps were assigned, or reported in the results.  This
> *may* have been because none of the entrants had a confirmed rating (one
> had a ? rating, four were unrated), but I doubt it.  Even if all the
> players were treated as having the same initial rating (probably 8k, where
> I had set the lower bar), handicaps should have been used by the final
> rounds.
>
> You can see the results at
> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=n=1040
>
> I will be willing to run another test tournament, today or tomorrow, if
> someone can provide a "Ranked Robot" to help with the test.  It should be
> able to beat gnugo3pt8 consistently, and should preferably be willing to
> play 9x9 Go.  All you need to do is leave it running on KGS in tournament
> mode, and email me with its name.  I have left gnugo3pt8 running, to
> restore its confirmed rating.
>
> Nick
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[Computer-go] McMahon tournaments on KGS

[Nick Wedd]

I had been persuaded, by postings to this list, to run the monthly KGS bot
tournaments with a McMahon division.

I now think that this probably won't work.  I have run a test McMahon
tournament. No handicaps were assigned, or reported in the results.  This
*may* have been because none of the entrants had a confirmed rating (one
had a ? rating, four were unrated), but I doubt it.  Even if all the
players were treated as having the same initial rating (probably 8k, where
I had set the lower bar), handicaps should have been used by the final
rounds.

You can see the results at
http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=n=1040

I will be willing to run another test tournament, today or tomorrow, if
someone can provide a "Ranked Robot" to help with the test.  It should be
able to beat gnugo3pt8 consistently, and should preferably be willing to
play 9x9 Go.  All you need to do is leave it running on KGS in tournament
mode, and email me with its name.  I have left gnugo3pt8 running, to
restore its confirmed rating.

Nick
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