Re: [Computer-go] Other German poll on Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo

2016-03-01 Thread Kahn Jonas
The confidence in Lee Sedol is staggering. I'd say it's quite natural. People know Lee Sedol and his strength. Plus, he would have crushed the version that played Fan Hui. It takes some domain knowledge to see that Aja et al. have gained four stones in less than a year by incorporating a NEW

Re: [Computer-go] Komi 6.5/7.5

2015-11-06 Thread Kahn Jonas
On 06.11.2015 10:47, Aja Huang wrote: area scoring, in which case the score is almost always odd. Black wins: odd score White wins: even score Aja means pre-komi. It's always odd (except special seki). Jonas ___ Computer-go mailing list

Re: [Computer-go] Komi 6.5/7.5

2015-11-05 Thread Kahn Jonas
Of course. You always use win rate, never margin for that type of analysis. Problem is, this is not relevant unless we have games with different komi. The winrate depends as much on the width of the distribution as on the median. Hence for weak players, it may go closer to 50%, even if the

Re: [Computer-go] Understanding statistics for benchmarking

2015-11-03 Thread Kahn Jonas
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Urban Hafner wrote: Thank you Remi! So the 85.5% +/- 2.5 reported by GoGui would be 85.5% +/- 5 for 95% and 85.5% +/- 7.5. Correct? Correct. But you do not need that intervals do not overlap for significativity. You may divide by $\sqrt{2}$ those intervals before testing

Re: [Computer-go] fast + good RNG

2015-03-29 Thread Kahn Jonas
Why not xorshift+128 ? * include stdint.h /* The state must be seeded so that it is not everywhere zero. */ uint64_t s[2]; uint64_t xorshift128plus(void) { uint64_t x = s[0]; uint64_t const y = s[1]; s[0] = y; x ^= x 23; // a x ^= x 17; // b x ^= y ^ (y 26); // c

Re: [Computer-go] fast + good RNG

2015-03-29 Thread Kahn Jonas
I just think Go (except trivial implementation cases) should be very insensitive to RNGs. It is not like many Monte Carlo applications where you just call the RNG in a tight loop in regular manner to move in the same state space. In a Go program, you call the RNG from playouts in all sorts of

Re: [Computer-go] UEC Cup

2015-03-25 Thread Kahn Jonas
Computer Go progress has stopped? http://www.sankei.com/life/news/150323/lif1503230014-n1.html Cho Chikun plays computer with handicaps game. http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO84490320X10C15A300/ Cho Chikun, a win, a lose against computer.

Re: [Computer-go] [ANN] Michi - 15x15 ~6k KGS in 540 lines of Python code

2015-03-25 Thread Kahn Jonas
So what's the strongest program you can make with minimum effort and code size while keeping maximum clarity? Chess programers were exploring this for long time, e.g. with Sunfish, and that inspired me to try out something similar in Go over a few evening recently:

Re: [Computer-go] [ANN] Michi - 15x15 ~6k KGS in 540 lines of Python code

2015-03-25 Thread Kahn Jonas
Based on my observations, the limiting factor is time - Python is slw and a faster language with the exact same algorithm should be able to speed this up at least 5x, which should mean at least two ranks level-up. Maybe a first step would be using numpy arrays for the board and patterns.

Re: [Computer-go] UEC Cup

2015-03-16 Thread Kahn Jonas
Here is a partial game record I saved during the game. I am sorry I did not save the full game as sgf. It is on the nngs server of the UEC, so I might be able to get it tomorrow. Crazy Stone invaded too deeply, and died. Thank you RĂ©mi! That was a very surprising game. I would have sworn

Re: [Computer-go] UEC Cup

2015-03-16 Thread Kahn Jonas
A few blurry photos I took: http://pasky-jp.soup.io/post/556768169/UEC-Cup-2015-exhibition-game-was-between http://pasky-jp.soup.io/post/556769031/The-prize-winners-Right-of-Remi-is http://pasky-jp.soup.io/post/556769152/All-qualified-participants Thank you Petr, So

[Computer-go] Evaluation function through Deep Convolutional Neural Networks

2015-01-08 Thread Kahn Jonas
The discussion on move evaluation via CNNs got me wondering: has anyone tried to make an evaluation function with CNNs ? I mean, it's hard to really combine CNNs move estimator with a tree search: you still need something to tell what the best leaf is. Given the state of the art, the reflex is

Re: [Computer-go] Move Evaluation in Go Using Deep Convolutional Neural Networks

2014-12-19 Thread Kahn Jonas
Hi Aja We've just submitted our paper to ICLR. We made the draft available at http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~cmaddis/pubs/deepgo.pdf I hope you enjoy our work. Comments and questions are welcome. I did not look at the go content, on which I'm no expert. But for the network training, you might be