Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-25 Thread Joshua Shriver
This is correct.   The ELO ratings are based upon assuming Gnugo 3.7.3
has a rating of 1800 as an anchor.  To generate new ratings it simply
dumps all the games and runs bayeselo on all the games adjusting the
rating on the gnugo games.

-Josh

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote:
 I had a look into the sourced of cgos server.

 If I understand them correctly, one must put the anchors directly into the
 database. The sources do not seem to have a configuration
 option for this?!

 As the old database is used, as far as I understood it, person running the
 anchors years ago could just reconnect their anchors, and they should be
 recognized. It might even be possible for somebody, who can make it sure to
 run the anchor in the future to just connect with the old anchor name and
 choose a pw, but I did not try, as I can not make sure to run it all time.
 There is a 6-month remark in the source, but I am not sure if this also
 removes passwords...

 This is from the source:
 if {![file exists $database_state_file]} {

 sqlite3 db $database_state_file

 db eval {
 create table gameid(gid int);
 create table password(name, pass, games int, rating, K, last_game,
 primary key(name) );
 create table games(gid int, w, wr, b, br, dte, wtu, btu, res, final,
 primary key(gid));
 create table anchors(name, rating, primary key(name));
 create table clients( name, count );
 INSERT into gameid VALUES(1);
 }

 db close
 }


 Am 17.01.2015 um 15:24 schrieb Detlef Schmicker:

 You are right, I too often read 3.7 in the past, but actually the papers
 using 3.8 now:)


 Am 17.01.2015 um 12:08 schrieb Urban Hafner:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote:

 Seems a good idea to me. It is a quasi standard in publishing, so why not
 set Gnugo-3.7.10 at level 10 to 1800ELO on every board size?!


 Why 3.7.10 and not 3.8? IIRC all Gnu projects use the odd numbered point
 releases as unstable releases. BTW, I've configured my computer to run GnuGo
 3.8 Level 10 on the 13x13 server. It should run most of the time, but I'd be
 happy to hand over the account to someone why can actually run it 24/7.

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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-17 Thread Detlef Schmicker
Seems a good idea to me. It is a quasi standard in publishing, so why 
not set Gnugo-3.7.10 at level 10 to 1800ELO on every board size?!



Am 16.01.2015 um 23:17 schrieb Christoph Birk:

On 01/16/2015 12:03 PM, David Doshay wrote:

cgos.boardspace.net http://cgos.boardspace.net says:
At the current time there is one player called FatMan with a fixed ELO
of 1800 on the 9x9 server and Gnugo-3.7.10 at level 10 serves as the
anchor player on the 13x13 and 19x19 server, also with a fixed ELO of 
1800.


Should we use Gnugo-3.7.10 as the anchor for 9x9 too?
It was rated 1858.6 by 'bayeselo'.

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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-17 Thread Urban Hafner
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote:

 Seems a good idea to me. It is a quasi standard in publishing, so why not
 set Gnugo-3.7.10 at level 10 to 1800ELO on every board size?!


Why 3.7.10 and not 3.8? IIRC all Gnu projects use the odd numbered point
releases as unstable releases. BTW, I've configured my computer to run
GnuGo 3.8 Level 10 on the 13x13 server. It should run most of the time, but
I'd be happy to hand over the account to someone why can actually run it
24/7.

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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-17 Thread Detlef Schmicker
You are right, I too often read 3.7 in the past, but actually the papers 
using 3.8 now:)



Am 17.01.2015 um 12:08 schrieb Urban Hafner:
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de 
mailto:d...@physik.de wrote:


Seems a good idea to me. It is a quasi standard in publishing, so
why not set Gnugo-3.7.10 at level 10 to 1800ELO on every board size?!


Why 3.7.10 and not 3.8? IIRC all Gnu projects use the odd numbered 
point releases as unstable releases. BTW, I've configured my computer 
to run GnuGo 3.8 Level 10 on the 13x13 server. It should run most of 
the time, but I'd be happy to hand over the account to someone why can 
actually run it 24/7.


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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-17 Thread Detlef Schmicker

I had a look into the sourced of cgos server.

If I understand them correctly, one must put the anchors directly into 
the database. The sources do not seem to have a configuration

option for this?!

As the old database is used, as far as I understood it, person running 
the anchors years ago could just reconnect their anchors, and they 
should be recognized. It might even be possible for somebody, who can 
make it sure to run the anchor in the future to just connect with the 
old anchor name and choose a pw, but I did not try, as I can not make 
sure to run it all time. There is a 6-month remark in the source, but I 
am not sure if this also removes passwords...


This is from the source:
if {![file exists $database_state_file]} {

sqlite3 db $database_state_file

db eval {
create table gameid(gid int);
create table password(name, pass, games int, rating, K, last_game, 
primary key(name) );
create table games(gid int, w, wr, b, br, dte, wtu, btu, res, 
final, primary key(gid));

create table anchors(name, rating, primary key(name));
create table clients( name, count );
INSERT into gameid VALUES(1);
}

db close
}


Am 17.01.2015 um 15:24 schrieb Detlef Schmicker:
You are right, I too often read 3.7 in the past, but actually the 
papers using 3.8 now:)



Am 17.01.2015 um 12:08 schrieb Urban Hafner:
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de 
mailto:d...@physik.de wrote:


Seems a good idea to me. It is a quasi standard in publishing, so
why not set Gnugo-3.7.10 at level 10 to 1800ELO on every board size?!


Why 3.7.10 and not 3.8? IIRC all Gnu projects use the odd numbered 
point releases as unstable releases. BTW, I've configured my computer 
to run GnuGo 3.8 Level 10 on the 13x13 server. It should run most of 
the time, but I'd be happy to hand over the account to someone why 
can actually run it 24/7.


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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-17 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita

Hi,

As far as remember, old CGOS anchor were

9x9   FatMan  ... Hideki Kato
13x13 Gnugo-3.7.10-a4 ... Hideki Kato
19x19 Gnugo-3.7.10-a1 ... Hiroshi Yamashita

And I tried to run Gnugo-3.7.10-a1 in 13x13 with same password,
it looks running as an anchor luckly. I will keep it running
for a while.

Regards,
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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-16 Thread Urban Hafner
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com
wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:13 AM, valky...@phmp.se wrote:

 I just connected Valkyria on 13x13!


 And last night I connected Brown to just see how it works. :) It seems
 however that something is wrong again this morning.


Actually, never mind it seems to work just fine.

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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-16 Thread valkyria
I forgot to turn of automatic Power off in Windows so after an hour my 
computer hibernated. I had started Valkyria again this morning (now 
using 6 threads) and then CGOS seemed to recover.


Maybe CGOS froze because of this?

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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-16 Thread Christoph Birk

On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:51 AM, valky...@phmp.se wrote:
 I forgot to turn of automatic Power off in Windows so after an hour my 
 computer hibernated. I had started Valkyria again this morning (now using 6 
 threads) and then CGOS seemed to recover.
 
 Maybe CGOS froze because of this?

No, CGOS kept running fine after Valkyra disconnected,
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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-16 Thread Detlef Schmicker

I also set up a 13x13 client. Seems to work fine, but rating is off I think.

I will let it up for a while, hopefully some anchors coming up:)

Thanks a lot for setting it up again, Detlef


Am 16.01.2015 um 17:21 schrieb Christoph Birk:

On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:51 AM, valky...@phmp.se wrote:

I forgot to turn of automatic Power off in Windows so after an hour my computer 
hibernated. I had started Valkyria again this morning (now using 6 threads) and 
then CGOS seemed to recover.

Maybe CGOS froze because of this?

No, CGOS kept running fine after Valkyra disconnected,
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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-16 Thread Urban Hafner
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote:

 I also set up a 13x13 client. Seems to work fine, but rating is off I
 think.

 I will let it up for a while, hopefully some anchors coming up:)


Yes, without at least one anchor the whole rating will be problematic. How
was the setup again? FatMat fixed at ELO 1800 and a second FatMan to notice
rating drift?

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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-16 Thread Urban Hafner
I see. I wonder what the correct options for GnuGo are. gnugo --mode gtp
--level 0 --chinese-rules --positional-superko --capture-all-dead seems
like a good start, right? I will give that a try now ...

Urban

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote:

  FatMan ELO 1800 was for 9x9 as far as I remember, I do not remember what
 on 13x13.

 On 19x19 it was GnuGo 3.7 level 10 I think and from some historic results
 I guess 13x13 gnugo 3.7 level 0 was set to ELO1800


 Am 16.01.2015 um 18:31 schrieb Urban Hafner:

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote:

 I also set up a 13x13 client. Seems to work fine, but rating is off I
 think.

 I will let it up for a while, hopefully some anchors coming up:)


  Yes, without at least one anchor the whole rating will be problematic.
 How was the setup again? FatMat fixed at ELO 1800 and a second FatMan to
 notice rating drift?

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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-16 Thread Urban Hafner
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com
wrote:

 I see. I wonder what the correct options for GnuGo are. gnugo --mode gtp
 --level 0 --chinese-rules --positional-superko --capture-all-dead seems
 like a good start, right? I will give that a try now ...


It seems to work:
http://cgos.boardspace.net/13x13/cross/GnuGo-3.8-level-0.html. I'll leave
it running for a while then.

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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-16 Thread David Doshay
cgos.boardspace.net http://cgos.boardspace.net/ says:

At the current time there is one player called FatMan with a fixed ELO of 1800 
on the 9x9 server and Gnugo-3.7.10 at level 10 serves as the anchor player on 
the 13x13 and 19x19 server, also with a fixed ELO of 1800.

Cheers,
David G Doshay

ddos...@mac.com





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 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com 
 mailto:cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote:
 I see. I wonder what the correct options for GnuGo are. gnugo --mode gtp 
 --level 0 --chinese-rules --positional-superko --capture-all-dead seems like 
 a good start, right? I will give that a try now ...
 
 It seems to work: 
 http://cgos.boardspace.net/13x13/cross/GnuGo-3.8-level-0.html 
 http://cgos.boardspace.net/13x13/cross/GnuGo-3.8-level-0.html. I'll leave 
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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-16 Thread Christoph Birk

On 01/16/2015 12:03 PM, David Doshay wrote:

cgos.boardspace.net http://cgos.boardspace.net says:
At the current time there is one player called FatMan with a fixed ELO
of 1800 on the 9x9 server and Gnugo-3.7.10 at level 10 serves as the
anchor player on the 13x13 and 19x19 server, also with a fixed ELO of 1800.


Should we use Gnugo-3.7.10 as the anchor for 9x9 too?
It was rated 1858.6 by 'bayeselo'.

Christoph

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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-16 Thread Hideki Kato
To prevent the drift, one anchor is enough (at least Don told me so).

Hideki

Christoph Birk: 54b98df7.7000...@obs.carnegiescience.edu:
On 01/16/2015 12:03 PM, David Doshay wrote:
 cgos.boardspace.net http://cgos.boardspace.net says:
 At the current time there is one player called FatMan with a fixed ELO
 of 1800 on the 9x9 server and Gnugo-3.7.10 at level 10 serves as the
 anchor player on the 13x13 and 19x19 server, also with a fixed ELO of 1800.

Should we use Gnugo-3.7.10 as the anchor for 9x9 too?
It was rated 1858.6 by 'bayeselo'.

Christoph

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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-15 Thread Christoph Birk

On Jan 15, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Joshua Shriver jshri...@gmail.com wrote:
 Aye I'm still tinkering with it, and trying to get anchors on.  Still
 having issues. :(

The 13x13 server is up and running,
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2015-01-15 Thread Joshua Shriver
Aye I'm still tinkering with it, and trying to get anchors on.  Still
having issues. :(

-Josh

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Christoph Birk
b...@obs.carnegiescience.edu wrote:

 On Jan 15, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Christoph Birk 
 b...@obs.carnegiescience.edu wrote:
 http://cgos.boardspace.net/9x9/standings.html
 was updated last about 2 years ago.

 I noticed that, too. Also, it seems like there are still games in progress 
 from 2012 which is rather unlikely. So it seems like it's not quite up and 
 running, yet.

 The 13x13 and 19x19 ‘standings’ pages have a recent date, but are empty.
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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-15 Thread Christoph Birk

On Jan 15, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Christoph Birk 
 b...@obs.carnegiescience.edu wrote:
 http://cgos.boardspace.net/9x9/standings.html
 was updated last about 2 years ago.
 
 I noticed that, too. Also, it seems like there are still games in progress 
 from 2012 which is rather unlikely. So it seems like it's not quite up and 
 running, yet. 

The 13x13 and 19x19 ‘standings’ pages have a recent date, but are empty.
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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-15 Thread valkyria

I just connected Valkyria on 13x13!
:)

On 2015-01-15 20:20, Urban Hafner wrote:

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Christoph Birk
b...@obs.carnegiescience.edu wrote:


On Jan 15, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Joshua Shriver jshri...@gmail.com
wrote:

Aye I'm still tinkering with it, and trying to get anchors on.

Still

having issues. :(


The 13x13 server is up and running,


Indeed it is! Very nice Joshua! Now I really need to get my bot into a
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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-15 Thread Urban Hafner
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:13 AM, valky...@phmp.se wrote:

 I just connected Valkyria on 13x13!


And last night I connected Brown to just see how it works. :) It seems
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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-15 Thread Urban Hafner
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Christoph Birk 
b...@obs.carnegiescience.edu wrote:


 On Jan 15, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Joshua Shriver jshri...@gmail.com wrote:
  Aye I'm still tinkering with it, and trying to get anchors on.  Still
  having issues. :(

 The 13x13 server is up and running,


Indeed it is! Very nice Joshua! Now I really need to get my bot into a
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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-15 Thread Urban Hafner
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Christoph Birk 
b...@obs.carnegiescience.edu wrote:

 http://cgos.boardspace.net/9x9/standings.html
 was updated last about 2 years ago.


I noticed that, too. Also, it seems like there are still games in progress
from 2012 which is rather unlikely. So it seems like it's not quite up and
running, yet.

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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-14 Thread folkert
Hi,

I've connected a couple of programs but nothing happens.
They login and that's about it.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 04:14:31AM -0500, Joshua Shriver wrote:
 CGOS is back on boardspace.net and running.  Please feel free to try
 and connect like you use to and let me know. I'll be monitoring it.
 It's just as it was when it was taken down after Mr. Daileys passing.
 
 I'm grateful for  Dave Dyer for hosting it in the past, and for
 keeping a clean copy of the system as Don originally wrote it.
 
 Originally I wanted to host it myself but the code is rather delicate
 and I never could get it running properly.  I'll still be maintaining
 it and keep track of it's ups and downs but for all intent and
 purposes it just worked  back then so that's why I asked to use
 boardspace again to get things rolling again.
 
 Thank you for your understanding,
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2015-01-14 Thread Christoph Birk

On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:30 AM, folkert folk...@vanheusden.com wrote:
 I've connected a couple of programs but nothing happens.
 They login and that's about it.

Same here.

http://cgos.boardspace.net/9x9/standings.html
was updated last about 2 years ago.

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2015-01-14 Thread Joshua Shriver
CGOS is back on boardspace.net and running.  Please feel free to try
and connect like you use to and let me know. I'll be monitoring it.
It's just as it was when it was taken down after Mr. Daileys passing.

I'm grateful for  Dave Dyer for hosting it in the past, and for
keeping a clean copy of the system as Don originally wrote it.

Originally I wanted to host it myself but the code is rather delicate
and I never could get it running properly.  I'll still be maintaining
it and keep track of it's ups and downs but for all intent and
purposes it just worked  back then so that's why I asked to use
boardspace again to get things rolling again.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Josh
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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-14 Thread Urban Hafner
Great! Thank you Joshua. For me personally that will be a great help as
testing if my new bot works is so much easier on CGOS than during a KGS
tournament. :)

Urban

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Joshua Shriver jshri...@gmail.com wrote:

 CGOS is back on boardspace.net and running.  Please feel free to try
 and connect like you use to and let me know. I'll be monitoring it.
 It's just as it was when it was taken down after Mr. Daileys passing.

 I'm grateful for  Dave Dyer for hosting it in the past, and for
 keeping a clean copy of the system as Don originally wrote it.

 Originally I wanted to host it myself but the code is rather delicate
 and I never could get it running properly.  I'll still be maintaining
 it and keep track of it's ups and downs but for all intent and
 purposes it just worked  back then so that's why I asked to use
 boardspace again to get things rolling again.

 Thank you for your understanding,
 -Josh
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Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

2015-01-14 Thread Urban Hafner
BTW, which GTP commands are required for a bot to play on CGOS? The basic
commands are probably not quite enough, right? At least time_left and
time_settings should be implemented if I remember it correctly.

Urban

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com
wrote:

 Great! Thank you Joshua. For me personally that will be a great help as
 testing if my new bot works is so much easier on CGOS than during a KGS
 tournament. :)

 Urban

 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Joshua Shriver jshri...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 CGOS is back on boardspace.net and running.  Please feel free to try
 and connect like you use to and let me know. I'll be monitoring it.
 It's just as it was when it was taken down after Mr. Daileys passing.

 I'm grateful for  Dave Dyer for hosting it in the past, and for
 keeping a clean copy of the system as Don originally wrote it.

 Originally I wanted to host it myself but the code is rather delicate
 and I never could get it running properly.  I'll still be maintaining
 it and keep track of it's ups and downs but for all intent and
 purposes it just worked  back then so that's why I asked to use
 boardspace again to get things rolling again.

 Thank you for your understanding,
 -Josh
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