Re: [computer-go] Paper presents results on proximity heuristic

2007-02-10 Thread Darren Cook
This was not tested in any formal way, but including the book does seem to increase the chance that the program will open with E5 (which I believe is the correct opening move on 9x9) ... Just a side note, as I've spent a lot of time studying high-level 9x9 games. I've seen strong players win

Re: [computer-go] Paper presents results on proximity heuristic

2007-02-08 Thread terry mcintyre
Thanks, Peter! I have a question or two regarding the opening book, based on a collection of 3000 9x9 games provided by Nici Schraudolph. Who played the games in this collecton - pros, strong amateurs, or go programs? Second, were any statistics on the number of game moves in book versus

Re: [computer-go] Paper presents results on proximity heuristic

2007-02-08 Thread Eric Boesch
On 2/7/07, David Doshay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7, Feb 2007, at 1:35 PM, Don Dailey wrote: Although suicide can occasionally be the best move in some rule-sets, I think it weakens your program to include it, At best you are going to get a ko threat, so it requires a pretty

Re: [computer-go] Paper presents results on proximity heuristic

2007-02-07 Thread Don Dailey
You should never play suicide, whether multiple or single stone in the play-out portion of the search - ESPECIALLY when it's not legal anyway in the rule-set you are using. Although suicide can occasionally be the best move in some rule-sets, I think it weakens your program to include it, even

Re: [computer-go] Paper presents results on proximity heuristic

2007-02-07 Thread Chris Fant
Okay, thanks for the feedback. I mentioned that I was allowing multi-stone suicide a couple days ago but no one said anything. It seems little more complicated to check for than single-stone suicide when only tracking pseudo-liberties. But I will get it in there and see what kind of

Re: [computer-go] Paper presents results on proximity heuristic

2007-02-07 Thread Peter Drake
By the way, the paper was rejected on first submission, largely because we were just testing Orego against itself. We're now testing Orego against GNU Go and have a revised version: https://webdisk.lclark.edu/xythoswfs/webui/_xy-2352013_1-t_Gct7yJ5s%22 (Markus, could you change the link and