Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

On 2/06/2016 0:21, David Ongaro wrote: >> Note that the cuDNN license allows you to install and use as many >> copies of the software as you need, for both individual and >> corporate use. This intentionally permissive license is designed >> to allow cuDNN to be useful in conjunction with

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

On 01 Jun 2016, at 00:45, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > On 31-05-16 22:56, David Ongaro wrote: >> Isn't e.g. TensorFlow Apache 2.0 license and would allow its >> inclusion in commercial products? > > TensorFlow relies on CuDNN for good GPU performance. Almost all > libraries do,

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi David, "David Ongaro" > ... I guess you already have to be a quite strong player in > order to see these nuggets in a sea of weaker moves... * likely we are speaking about different things. By "analysis" I mainly mean analysis of own games, not analysis of other

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi, "Gian-Carlo Pascutto" > On 31-05-16 22:56, David Ongaro wrote: > > I might overestimating it, but on the other hand I guess a Professor > > like Rémi has much more obligations other then writing Go Software... > > I don't really want to answer in Remi's place, but I think

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

On 31-05-16 22:56, David Ongaro wrote: > Isn't e.g. TensorFlow Apache 2.0 license and would allow its > inclusion in commercial products? TensorFlow relies on CuDNN for good GPU performance. Almost all libraries do, because CuDNN is hand optimized by NVIDIA, and hence rather hard to beat.

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

> On 31 May 2016, at 13:11, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > > On 31/05/2016 20:45, David Ongaro wrote: >> I suspect Aja is right and Remi should go the path of integrating the >> GPU even if it's just to get more "oomph" for CS. That he tried to >> learn GPU programming from

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

On 31/05/2016 20:45, David Ongaro wrote: > I suspect Aja is right and Remi should go the path of integrating the > GPU even if it's just to get more "oomph" for CS. That he tried to > learn GPU programming from scratch is a noble attempt but I guess > it's just to ambitious to accomplish in a

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi Ingo, > On 31 May 2016, at 00:07, Ingo Althöfer <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > > Hi Petr, > > "Petr Baudis" >>> ... It is enough that the [CHESS] program is tactically strong. >> >> But strong Go programs are traditionally strategically strong, but >> tactically *weak*. >

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi Petr, "Petr Baudis" > (I also think that it's algorithmically a lot more complicated to build > these analysis tools for Go, for example adding a good tsumego solver to > your program. It is not necessary to wait for a strong tsumego solver before spreading a nice analysis

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi Petri,   "Petri Pitkanen" > ... I do doubt if strong go programs give too much for analysis. > Even if they are 1p and can show you a better move it is not worth > much for a human when there is no reasoning available how to zoom > into that move. that is just

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi Petr, "Petr Baudis" > > ... It is enough that the [CHESS] program is tactically strong. > > But strong Go programs are traditionally strategically strong, but > tactically *weak*. "tactical" was meant for Chess. In Go, players may use "the other strengths" of go programs.

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Chess was popular everywhere so the barriers were relatively small. As one chess writer said it. There are moer chess titles written than all other hobby titles combined. Dunno who reads all of them. But I do doubt if strong go programs give too much for analysis. Even if they are 1p and can show

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi! Couple of ideas. On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 06:19:39AM +0200, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > One point is: The absolute strength of the program need not to be > better than the strength of the player who uses it for analysis purposes. > It is enough that the program is tactically strong. But

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi Gian-Carlo, "Gian-Carlo Pascutto" > On 29/05/2016 13:48, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > > ... ChessBase was founded in 1985 ... > > Very early Garry Kasparov (World Champion in those days, 1986) > > got involved and presented his use of the software in PR events. > > ... the

[Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi all, in the last few weeks I had moments where I did not feel well because of deficiencies of commercial go bots. I am in particular sensible (you may also say "spoiled") because I know how much better things were (and are) in the Chess world. In particular, I use game playing software for