Re: [computer-go] Re: linux and windows
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Dave Dyer wrote: If your program has ANY gui at all though, you're pretty much screwed. Mac Windows and Linux GUIs are about as far apart as any three platforms can be. There are lots of "compatibility" solutions, including your choice of platform independent languages; but they all create essentially a fourth platform that you have to target, and once again, you're screwed unless you started that way. Not quite true anymore; Macs support X-windows, so you can use the same GUI for Mac+(L)inux. Christoph ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
[computer-go] Re: linux and windows
> >Of course C can be more or less platform independent if you take some care. Purely for engine code, that's true. Standard windows has APIs that are nearly compatible with xxux for command line initialization and ordinary file and network operations. If your program has ANY gui at all though, you're pretty much screwed. Mac Windows and Linux GUIs are about as far apart as any three platforms can be. There are lots of "compatibility" solutions, including your choice of platform independent languages; but they all create essentially a fourth platform that you have to target, and once again, you're screwed unless you started that way. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Re: linux and windows
What is the best way to compile for 64 Windows if you don't have a 64 bit windows OS? I want to compile my chess program for 64 bit windows (it uses 64 bit data structures and is actually 2X faster on 64 bit linux over 32 bit linux.) I have seen mingw64 but have heard that it is very buggy. Does anyone have any experience with this? Jim's email reminded me of something I wanted to look into.Can these virtual boxes emulate a 64 bit machine? - Don Jim O'Flaherty, Jr. wrote: All, Another option is to use a VM, MS's Virtual PC (free), VMWare's offering (free for non-commercial use) or any of the flavors of the open source Xen. Basically, you can set up an install of whatever target environment you use as a client OS. And then install and configure all you need and want natively within the Client OS without having to worry that the host OS is Windows. And for those of you who will say this is inefficient - I would just reply with, not participating at all is less efficient than at least participating with something inside a VM. There is no need for perfection, as in having every little tiny bit of performance eeked out of a box/processor/memory. If you can get +90% (which is what all the above VM creators claim for each of theirs), then you can participate and gain more experience for your particular computer_go player. Jim - Original Message From: Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; computer-go Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:31:21 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Re: linux and windows terry mcintyre wrote: A cygwin port can't really be considered a "windows application" since it requires that the windows user install cygwin. This is not for the faint of heart. There are many good reasons why some people develop on Linux. Porting between Linux and Windows is not trivial. A better way to run linux programs on borrowed Windows machines might be to burn a LiveCD with one's program -- something akin to the Hikarunix CD, which tournament organizers could then pop into a computer, boot, and start the program. But you can compile using mingw32 to build native applications.I recently compiled my chess program and it runs fine, at least on recent windows OS versions - of course it is a UCI program which means the GUI is a separate windows program. - Don ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Re: linux and windows
All, Another option is to use a VM, MS's Virtual PC (free), VMWare's offering (free for non-commercial use) or any of the flavors of the open source Xen. Basically, you can set up an install of whatever target environment you use as a client OS. And then install and configure all you need and want natively within the Client OS without having to worry that the host OS is Windows. And for those of you who will say this is inefficient - I would just reply with, not participating at all is less efficient than at least participating with something inside a VM. There is no need for perfection, as in having every little tiny bit of performance eeked out of a box/processor/memory. If you can get +90% (which is what all the above VM creators claim for each of theirs), then you can participate and gain more experience for your particular computer_go player. Jim - Original Message From: Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; computer-go Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:31:21 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Re: linux and windows terry mcintyre wrote: > A cygwin port can't really be considered a "windows application" since it > requires that the windows user install cygwin. This is not for the faint of > heart. > > There are many good reasons why some people develop on Linux. Porting between > Linux and Windows is not trivial. > > A better way to run linux programs on borrowed Windows machines might be to > burn a LiveCD with one's program -- something akin to the Hikarunix CD, which > tournament organizers could then pop into a computer, boot, and start the > program. > But you can compile using mingw32 to build native applications.I recently compiled my chess program and it runs fine, at least on recent windows OS versions - of course it is a UCI program which means the GUI is a separate windows program. - Don > > > > > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Re: linux and windows
terry mcintyre wrote: A cygwin port can't really be considered a "windows application" since it requires that the windows user install cygwin. This is not for the faint of heart. There are many good reasons why some people develop on Linux. Porting between Linux and Windows is not trivial. A better way to run linux programs on borrowed Windows machines might be to burn a LiveCD with one's program -- something akin to the Hikarunix CD, which tournament organizers could then pop into a computer, boot, and start the program. But you can compile using mingw32 to build native applications.I recently compiled my chess program and it runs fine, at least on recent windows OS versions - of course it is a UCI program which means the GUI is a separate windows program. - Don ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Re: linux and windows
Dave Dyer wrote: At 09:29 AM 7/17/2008, David Fotland wrote: It irks me a little that Linux people refuse to consider porting their programs to Windows :) With cygwin, it's pretty easy to port Linux programs. Isn't it the case that Cygwin is no help if the program has a GUI. Yes, if you have a GUI that is not built around a cross-platform library. Even though I hate windows and don't use it, I still always try to accommodate Windows users and of course I like the Mac platform (it is Unix based) and try to support it too. There are cross-platform ways to accommodate GUI's, but that's not much help if your program has already been developed. For the same basic reason I avoid ASP or any proprietary solution to anything if I can avoid it. One of my clients uses ASP and I convinced them to move to PHP in their web stuff - we are trying to converge to open standards and want the flexibility to be able to run on ANYTHING, especially not being tied down to things that require expensive proprietary solutions. - don ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Re: linux and windows
A cygwin port can't really be considered a "windows application" since it requires that the windows user install cygwin. This is not for the faint of heart. There are many good reasons why some people develop on Linux. Porting between Linux and Windows is not trivial. A better way to run linux programs on borrowed Windows machines might be to burn a LiveCD with one's program -- something akin to the Hikarunix CD, which tournament organizers could then pop into a computer, boot, and start the program. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
[computer-go] Re: linux and windows
At 09:29 AM 7/17/2008, David Fotland wrote: >It irks me a little that Linux people refuse to consider porting their >programs to Windows :) With cygwin, it's pretty easy to port Linux >programs. Isn't it the case that Cygwin is no help if the program has a GUI. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
[computer-go] Re: linux and windows
At 09:29 AM 7/17/2008, David Fotland wrote: >It irks me a little that Linux people refuse to consider porting their >programs to Windows :) With cygwin, it's pretty easy to port Linux >programs. Isn't it the case that Cygwin is no help if the program has a GUI. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
