Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
I have to withdraw from this tournament. I don't have a windows computer, and getting access to one with the ability to install tools has been tougher than anticipated. On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 14:53 +0100, Nick Wedd wrote: The European Go Congress (see http://egc2008.eu/en/congress/index.php) will be held in Leksand, Sweden from July 26th to August 9th. On Wednesday August 6th it will include a Computer Go event (see http://www.computer-go.info/egc2008/). Entry to this is free. If you would like to enter but cannot be there yourself, it should be possible for you to send in your program, and I will try to find an operator for it. According to my records, entries so far are: 19x199x9 CrazyStonepossible possible FirstGo yes yes GNU Goprobable probable HouseBot no yes Leela probable yes Mango possible possible Many Faces of Go yes no Steenvreter no yes Toaster no possible TSGo probable no Tuuppari yes yes valkyria possible possible Wei2Goprobable no I expect this table needs correcting and bringing up to date. Corrections and updates may be posted to this list or sent to me privately, as you prefer. Late entries are also welcome. The programs will be run on Windows Vista PCs in Leksand, connected to KGS, where the games will be played. Of the programs listed above, TSGo (by Ivo Tonkes) and Tuuppari (by a team of Finnish programmers) have never, so far as I know, competed in a KGS tournament. I would like both those programs to play in a trial tournament on KGS, to ensure that they are correctly configured for tournament play, rather than finding out that they aren't on the day of the event. I am willing to set up such a trial tournament whenever requested - it will use very short time limits, and no-one will care who wins, the purpose will be to test their handling of the tournament settings. However I suspect that neither of these programs yet has its Windows version in a presentable state. I hope to hear soon from Ivo Tonkes and Mika Urtela about this - if I don't, I shall assume that they aren't reading this list, and email them privately. I owe two pints of beer to the GNU Go team. I expect to deliver these to Gunnar, if he is there to operate GNU Go. Gunnar will also be speaking on computer Go, after the tournament. Nick ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason House wrote: | I have to withdraw from this tournament. I don't have a windows | computer, and getting access to one with the ability to install tools | has been tougher than anticipated. It's actually my fault. But the combination of my lack of Windows knowledge (believe it or not, I've never compiled a program on Windows!), the relatively new language (D) and the libraries needed made it impossible to provide a Windows build in time. My apologies for the short notice. Urban -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiYU2gACgkQggNuVCIrEyWLZACffc54YZYUK7debjuF6B9G4/w5 KxYAoJdB6xWGi9hOqj61jLTofTnZp0Im =iA2t -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 08:30 -0400, Jason House wrote: I have to withdraw from this tournament. I don't have a windows computer, and getting access to one with the ability to install tools has been tougher than anticipated. Why do you need a windows computer? It's my understanding that they already supply windows Vista computers for you. And can't you bring the software tools you need to install with you on a pen drive or on cdrom? - Don On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 14:53 +0100, Nick Wedd wrote: The European Go Congress (see http://egc2008.eu/en/congress/index.php) will be held in Leksand, Sweden from July 26th to August 9th. On Wednesday August 6th it will include a Computer Go event (see http://www.computer-go.info/egc2008/). Entry to this is free. If you would like to enter but cannot be there yourself, it should be possible for you to send in your program, and I will try to find an operator for it. According to my records, entries so far are: 19x199x9 CrazyStonepossible possible FirstGo yes yes GNU Goprobable probable HouseBot no yes Leela probable yes Mango possible possible Many Faces of Go yes no Steenvreter no yes Toaster no possible TSGo probable no Tuuppari yes yes valkyria possible possible Wei2Goprobable no I expect this table needs correcting and bringing up to date. Corrections and updates may be posted to this list or sent to me privately, as you prefer. Late entries are also welcome. The programs will be run on Windows Vista PCs in Leksand, connected to KGS, where the games will be played. Of the programs listed above, TSGo (by Ivo Tonkes) and Tuuppari (by a team of Finnish programmers) have never, so far as I know, competed in a KGS tournament. I would like both those programs to play in a trial tournament on KGS, to ensure that they are correctly configured for tournament play, rather than finding out that they aren't on the day of the event. I am willing to set up such a trial tournament whenever requested - it will use very short time limits, and no-one will care who wins, the purpose will be to test their handling of the tournament settings. However I suspect that neither of these programs yet has its Windows version in a presentable state. I hope to hear soon from Ivo Tonkes and Mika Urtela about this - if I don't, I shall assume that they aren't reading this list, and email them privately. I owe two pints of beer to the GNU Go team. I expect to deliver these to Gunnar, if he is there to operate GNU Go. Gunnar will also be speaking on computer Go, after the tournament. Nick ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
I misunderstood Jason's email. He is trying to compile his program to run on windows and it's written in D. You cannot log into a windows computer remotely either without special software. There must be someone on this group who will try to compile your program to run on windows using the digital mars D compiler.Are you using a lot of external libraries? Where do you live? Perhaps if someone on the group with a windows computer who happens to live near you, would let you help? Do you use the digital mars compiler or the gnu based compiler? Do you think it would work on either? - Don On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 15:19 +0200, Urban Hafner wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason House wrote: | I have to withdraw from this tournament. I don't have a windows | computer, and getting access to one with the ability to install tools | has been tougher than anticipated. It's actually my fault. But the combination of my lack of Windows knowledge (believe it or not, I've never compiled a program on Windows!), the relatively new language (D) and the libraries needed made it impossible to provide a Windows build in time. My apologies for the short notice. Urban -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiYU2gACgkQggNuVCIrEyWLZACffc54YZYUK7debjuF6B9G4/w5 KxYAoJdB6xWGi9hOqj61jLTofTnZp0Im =iA2t -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
I'm not physically attending the EGC. In order to participate, I needed to provide a windows executable and have someone operate the bot on my behalf. I probably should have taken advantage of the offer to use a Linux box, but I figured I'd make it easier on the organizers :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 08:30 -0400, Jason House wrote: I have to withdraw from this tournament. I don't have a windows computer, and getting access to one with the ability to install tools has been tougher than anticipated. Why do you need a windows computer? It's my understanding that they already supply windows Vista computers for you. And can't you bring the software tools you need to install with you on a pen drive or on cdrom? - Don On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 14:53 +0100, Nick Wedd wrote: The European Go Congress (see http://egc2008.eu/en/congress/index.php) will be held in Leksand, Sweden from July 26th to August 9th. On Wednesday August 6th it will include a Computer Go event (see http://www.computer-go.info/egc2008/). Entry to this is free. If you would like to enter but cannot be there yourself, it should be possible for you to send in your program, and I will try to find an operator for it. According to my records, entries so far are: 19x199x9 CrazyStonepossible possible FirstGo yes yes GNU Goprobable probable HouseBot no yes Leela probable yes Mango possible possible Many Faces of Go yes no Steenvreter no yes Toaster no possible TSGo probable no Tuuppari yes yes valkyria possible possible Wei2Goprobable no I expect this table needs correcting and bringing up to date. Corrections and updates may be posted to this list or sent to me privately, as you prefer. Late entries are also welcome. The programs will be run on Windows Vista PCs in Leksand, connected to KGS, where the games will be played. Of the programs listed above, TSGo (by Ivo Tonkes) and Tuuppari (by a team of Finnish programmers) have never, so far as I know, competed in a KGS tournament. I would like both those programs to play in a trial tournament on KGS, to ensure that they are correctly configured for tournament play, rather than finding out that they aren't on the day of the event. I am willing to set up such a trial tournament whenever requested - it will use very short time limits, and no-one will care who wins, the purpose will be to test their handling of the tournament settings. However I suspect that neither of these programs yet has its Windows version in a presentable state. I hope to hear soon from Ivo Tonkes and Mika Urtela about this - if I don't, I shall assume that they aren't reading this list, and email them privately. I owe two pints of beer to the GNU Go team. I expect to deliver these to Gunnar, if he is there to operate GNU Go. Gunnar will also be speaking on computer Go, after the tournament. Nick ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 09:38 -0400, Jason House wrote: I'm not physically attending the EGC. In order to participate, I needed to provide a windows executable and have someone operate the bot on my behalf. I probably should have taken advantage of the offer to use a Linux box, but I figured I'd make it easier on the organizers :) I suppose you could attempt to do this with wine, the windows emulator. Have you considered trying? I have been surprised recently with how well it works. Also, I have successfully created a windows executable for my chess program using the cross compiler but it's not D, it's C. - Don On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 08:30 -0400, Jason House wrote: I have to withdraw from this tournament. I don't have a windows computer, and getting access to one with the ability to install tools has been tougher than anticipated. Why do you need a windows computer? It's my understanding that they already supply windows Vista computers for you. And can't you bring the software tools you need to install with you on a pen drive or on cdrom? - Don On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 14:53 +0100, Nick Wedd wrote: The European Go Congress (see http://egc2008.eu/en/congress/index.php) will be held in Leksand, Sweden from July 26th to August 9th. On Wednesday August 6th it will include a Computer Go event (see http://www.computer-go.info/egc2008/). Entry to this is free. If you would like to enter but cannot be there yourself, it should be possible for you to send in your program, and I will try to find an operator for it. According to my records, entries so far are: 19x199x9 CrazyStonepossible possible FirstGo yes yes GNU Goprobable probable HouseBot no yes Leela probable yes Mango possible possible Many Faces of Go yes no Steenvreter no yes Toaster no possible TSGo probable no Tuuppari yes yes valkyria possible possible Wei2Goprobable no I expect this table needs correcting and bringing up to date. Corrections and updates may be posted to this list or sent to me privately, as you prefer. Late entries are also welcome. The programs will be run on Windows Vista PCs in Leksand, connected to KGS, where the games will be played. Of the programs listed above, TSGo (by Ivo Tonkes) and Tuuppari (by a team of Finnish programmers) have never, so far as I know, competed in a KGS tournament. I would like both those programs to play in a trial tournament on KGS, to ensure that they are correctly configured for tournament play, rather than finding out that they aren't on the day of the event. I am willing to set up such a trial tournament whenever requested - it will use very short time limits, and no-one will care who wins, the purpose will be to test their handling of the tournament settings. However I suspect that neither of these programs yet has its Windows version in a presentable state. I hope to hear soon from Ivo Tonkes and Mika Urtela about this - if I don't, I shall assume that they aren't reading this list, and email them privately. I owe two pints of beer to the GNU Go team. I expect to deliver these to Gunnar, if he is there to operate GNU Go. Gunnar will also be speaking on computer Go, after the tournament. Nick ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
- Original Message From: Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I misunderstood Jason's email. He is trying to compile his program to run on windows and it's written in D. You cannot log into a windows computer remotely either without special software. Rdesktop is is widely available for most linux distros and can log in remotely to windows machines. Firewalls may, however, block the RDP (Remote Desktop Protocol ) ports. Some versons of Windoze limit the number of simultaneous logins to a very large number such as two. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I misunderstood Jason's email. He is trying to compile his program to
run on windows and it's written in D. You cannot log into a windows
computer remotely either without special software.
There must be someone on this group who will try to compile your program
to run on windows using the digital mars D compiler.Are you using a
lot of external libraries?
The latest version uses Tango 0.99.7, flex, and bison. The dependency on
flex and bison are for SGF parsing and can be commented out with relative
ease (housebot.d has approximately 3 lines that reference sgf).
I made a last ditch attempt this morning, downloading Easy D from
http://www.fsdev.net/versions/show/7 and the HouseBot source from
http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=149506
My initial download of the tar.gz failed because the computer didn't have
gunzip and tar. I then downloaded Tortoise SVN from
http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads and rebooted.
I did not have command line utilities to run compute_version.sh, so I made
the following manual hb_version.d file:
void gtp_version(){ return HouseBot 0.7 r811; }
and then ran the equivalent of dmd *.d game/*.d search/*.d -unittest
-ofhousebot-0.7
To my shock and horror, the digital mars d compiler then crashed.
I've been developing with gdc (d variant of gcc) because of it's broader
platform compatibility, but that's not part of the easy d distribution. At
that point, I gave up and sent the e-mail.
Where do you live? Perhaps if someone on the group with a windows
computer who happens to live near you, would let you help?
Sadly, my biggest problem now is time. I woke up this morning and saw the
e-mail from Urban that he had difficultly using a virtual machine with
windows on it to build HouseBot. It's possible that around 9pm or so, I
could start messing with things again, but that's cutting it close.
Do you use the digital mars compiler or the gnu based compiler? Do you
think it would work on either?
I was assuming it would work with either, but now I'm not so sure. At this
point, I'd want to try to use GDC. It may be that I have to submit a
compiler bug report to digital mars.
- Don
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 15:19 +0200, Urban Hafner wrote:
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Jason House wrote:
| I have to withdraw from this tournament. I don't have a windows
| computer, and getting access to one with the ability to install tools
| has been tougher than anticipated.
It's actually my fault. But the combination of my lack of Windows
knowledge (believe it or not, I've never compiled a program on
Windows!), the relatively new language (D) and the libraries needed made
it impossible to provide a Windows build in time.
My apologies for the short notice.
Urban
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Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 09:38 -0400, Don Dailey wrote: Where do you live? Perhaps if someone on the group with a windows computer who happens to live near you, would let you help? Woops, what I meant to say is that perhaps someone living near you would let you physically work on their machine. If you live near a population center the odds are reasonable that someone on this group lives near you and would help. Windows is such a pain. It's too bad you cannot just log into any windows computer remotely, build and test your software and be done with it. - Don ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 5, 2008, at 9:45 AM, terry mcintyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message From: Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I misunderstood Jason's email. He is trying to compile his program to run on windows and it's written in D. You cannot log into a windows computer remotely either without special software. Rdesktop is is widely available for most linux distros and can log in remotely to windows machines. Firewalls may, however, block the RDP (Remote Desktop Protocol ) ports. Some versons of Windoze limit the number of simultaneous logins to a very large number such as two. The very large number of two is reserved for windows servers. Personal computers are restricted to one, and that'll kick off whoever is locally logged into the box. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
I don't want to get into a holy war over this, but Windows has suffered forever with this albatross around it's neck, the concept that a single physical device is an exclusive resource for one person and only one person. It's a real straight-jacket when you are used to something more sane. I thought they were coming around when more recent versions appeared to support multiple users. But it turned out to be a bit of a sham - one person at a time still sitting directly in front of the machine although if one person logs out, another can log in. Even with this, I don't think windows provides the same clean separations of users from each other, although I admit I don't fully understand their security model. - Don On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 10:08 -0400, Jason House wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Aug 5, 2008, at 9:45 AM, terry mcintyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message From: Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I misunderstood Jason's email. He is trying to compile his program to run on windows and it's written in D. You cannot log into a windows computer remotely either without special software. Rdesktop is is widely available for most linux distros and can log in remotely to windows machines. Firewalls may, however, block the RDP (Remote Desktop Protocol ) ports. Some versons of Windoze limit the number of simultaneous logins to a very large number such as two. The very large number of two is reserved for windows servers. Personal computers are restricted to one, and that'll kick off whoever is locally logged into the box. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
Jason House wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I misunderstood Jason's email. He is trying to compile his program to
run on windows and it's written in D. You cannot log into a windows
computer remotely either without special software.
There must be someone on this group who will try to compile your program
to run on windows using the digital mars D compiler.Are you using a
lot of external libraries?
The latest version uses Tango 0.99.7, flex, and bison. The dependency
on flex and bison are for SGF parsing and can be commented out with
relative ease (housebot.d has approximately 3 lines that reference sgf).
I made a last ditch attempt this morning, downloading Easy D from
http://www.fsdev.net/versions/show/7 and the HouseBot source from
http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=149506
My initial download of the tar.gz failed because the computer didn't
have gunzip and tar. I then downloaded Tortoise SVN from
http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads and rebooted.
I did not have command line utilities to run compute_version.sh, so I
made the following manual hb_version.d file:
void gtp_version(){ return HouseBot 0.7 r811; }
and then ran the equivalent of dmd *.d game/*.d search/*.d -unittest
-ofhousebot-0.7
To my shock and horror, the digital mars d compiler then crashed.
I've been developing with gdc (d variant of gcc) because of it's broader
platform compatibility, but that's not part of the easy d distribution.
At that point, I gave up and sent the e-mail.
For reference here's the results of my try building it as well.
Unfortunately it boils down to not having gotten any farther than you
and maybe not as far.
I've developed in D but not using tango or dsss before so may have
gotten something setup wrong.
When first trying to compile I get errors in ipc.d:
ipc.d(81): no identifier for declarator i
ipc.d(81): semicolon expected, not '!='
ipc.d(81): no identifier for declarator i
ipc.d(81): semicolon expected, not '++'
...
Those are repeated for every for statement in the debug block. They
don't make any sense to me but rather than sort it out I simply
commented out the block.
After commenting that out I then get:
C:\housebot\housebot\trunk\housebotdsss build housebot.d
housebot.d = housebot-0.7
Command: warn please make sure to build sgf/parser.o and sgf/lexer.o
prior to running dsss
WARNING: please make sure to build sgf/parser.o and sgf/lexer.o prior to
running dsss
+ C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\ -IC:\dsss\include\d
-SC:\dsss
\lib\ -IC:\dsss\include\d -SC:\dsss\lib -oqdsss_objs\D -Dddoc/ddoc
-unittest -
w -g sgf/parser.o sgf/lexer.o housebot.d -ofhousebot-0.7
tangoBind.d(110): Error: void initializer has no value
tangoBind.d(114): Error: Integer constant expression expected instead of
0.length
tangoBind.d(114): Error: Integer constant expression expected instead of
0.length
tangoBind.d(114): Error: Integer constant expression expected instead of
0.length
tangoBind.d(126): template instance tangoBind.isStaticArray_impl!(int[])
error instantiating
tangoBind.d(133): template instance tangoBind.isStaticArray!(int[])
error instantiating
... (Repeats the tangobind.d errors several times)
After the initial tangobind.d error it also has a pop-up saying dmd crashed.
A simple helloworld using tango does work but beyond that I may not have
tango actually installed correctly. I used the current release from
tango's website which also includes dmd 1.033.
Janzert
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Sent from my iPhone On Aug 5, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There must be someone on this group who will try to compile your program to run on windows We're now up to 5 people who have tried (or 3 after my initial post on this topic). I would like to thank everyone who tried to help. The final attempt was by an overly enthusiastic helper that tried to track down the dmd compiler crash, fixed the flex install within cygwin, and tried 4 versions of gdc... The last of which being a compile of gcc from source with gdc included. Do you use the digital mars compiler or the gnu based compiler? Do you think it would work on either? I now think it'll work on neither. Something about my template usage in game/go.d is crashing the digital mars compiler. GDC is has not made a recent release, but a recent version is required. Sadly, it is nearly impossible to build from scratch on Windows. - Don On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 15:19 +0200, Urban Hafner wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason House wrote: | I have to withdraw from this tournament. I don't have a windows | computer, and getting access to one with the ability to install tools | has been tougher than anticipated. It's actually my fault. But the combination of my lack of Windows knowledge (believe it or not, I've never compiled a program on Windows!), the relatively new language (D) and the libraries needed made it impossible to provide a Windows build in time. My apologies for the short notice. Urban -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiYU2gACgkQggNuVCIrEyWLZACffc54YZYUK7debjuF6B9G4/w5 KxYAoJdB6xWGi9hOqj61jLTofTnZp0Im =iA2t -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
Things are looking good for the computer Go at the EGC on August 6th, see http://www.computer-go.info/egc2008/. For the 19x19 event we have five definite entries, and six maybes. For the 9x9 we have seven definites and five maybes. If your program is listed as a maybe Martin Müller Gunnar Farnebäck Gian-Carlo Pasciutto (19x19 only) Guillaume Chaslot Joakim Mjärdner Magnus Persson and you know whether in fact it will be competing, I would appreciate it if you would let me know. If you have in fact already told me, I apologise. If you don't know yet, it is not a real problem, late entries can be accepted up until shortly before play begins. If the KGS account which your bot will be playing under is not listed: Fuego 19x19 GNU Go Leela Mango Many Faces of Go valkyria wei2go Fuego 9x9 GNU Go HouseBot Leela Mango Many Faces of Go Steenvreter wei2go please let me know. There is no reason not to do this. The information on the web page http://www.computer-go.info/egc2008/ (which I may have difficulty in changing once I have left home for Sweden) will be read by people who follow the tournament on-line on KGS. Even if you are not yet sure whether your program will be competing, it costs nothing to create a KGS account for it. If your program is playing in both 19x19 and 9x9 events, it should have separate accounts for them. This is because we may be obliged to run the two events simultaneously. Nick -- Nick Wedd[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:55 AM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik van der Werf wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Erik van der Werf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you know that you can create your own linux environment without having to touch the machine you will be using? I have DSL-N (Damn Small Linux) on a USB stick so I can probably make something that boots. However I'm woried about the hardware support and network configuration (it has to connect to KGS). Also I think I would have to upgrade the kernel, but I don't know how easy that will be with DSL (and if I have time for it). Anyway, simply using an ssh connection to my machine at home would have been *much* easier... FYI Installing Ubuntu 8.04 on a USB stick solved the problem on all hardware I tested on (6 different Machines, of which 5 are Dell's). How big is the memory stick? I have a fast 4 gig stick that I want to put to use but I'm not sure I could get a very comfortable Ubuntu installation working on it.I guess for this purpose you don't need much software installed. I used a 4 GB stick. Erik ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Erik van der Werf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you know that you can create your own linux environment without having to touch the machine you will be using? I have DSL-N (Damn Small Linux) on a USB stick so I can probably make something that boots. However I'm woried about the hardware support and network configuration (it has to connect to KGS). Also I think I would have to upgrade the kernel, but I don't know how easy that will be with DSL (and if I have time for it). Anyway, simply using an ssh connection to my machine at home would have been *much* easier... FYI Installing Ubuntu 8.04 on a USB stick solved the problem on all hardware I tested on (6 different Machines, of which 5 are Dell's). Erik ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
Erik van der Werf wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Erik van der Werf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you know that you can create your own linux environment without having to touch the machine you will be using? I have DSL-N (Damn Small Linux) on a USB stick so I can probably make something that boots. However I'm woried about the hardware support and network configuration (it has to connect to KGS). Also I think I would have to upgrade the kernel, but I don't know how easy that will be with DSL (and if I have time for it). Anyway, simply using an ssh connection to my machine at home would have been *much* easier... FYI Installing Ubuntu 8.04 on a USB stick solved the problem on all hardware I tested on (6 different Machines, of which 5 are Dell's). How big is the memory stick? I have a fast 4 gig stick that I want to put to use but I'm not sure I could get a very comfortable Ubuntu installation working on it.I guess for this purpose you don't need much software installed. - Don Erik ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
Nick Wedd wrote: CrazyStonepossible possible This is yes from my point of view. It all depends on the availability of an operator. What is the komi for the 9x9 tournament ? I would prefer 7.5 because it is also the komi of the Computer Olympiad. Thanks, Rémi ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That always irks me when I hear this kind of thing. The world is basically windows chauvinistic and it's common to find little consideration given to any other platform. Did you know that you can create your own linux environment without having to touch the machine you will be using? My wife has her own windows machine that she doesn't want me touching, but I have a complete linux install via an external hard drive that leaves her machine untouched. Although the install is specific to that machine, it is easy to build universal setups that will boot on any modern PC into Linux, without touching the hard drive of that machine.This would require that you bring a memory stick of some kind or perhaps an external USB hard drive. You can get big ones really cheap now, and they are very compact. You plug it into the USB port and then boot into Linux. In my opinion, the tournament organizers should do this for you and the other potential Linux participants since Linux is becoming more and more popular and apparently it is already very popular with Go programmers. There are several possibilities for setting up machines that could use either Windows or Linux that would not require major effort on their part - just one good Linux guy helping them. I also feel for the Mac people and also people that have built programs that run on networks of workstations or other potential supercomputer programs that would not be able to participate. I have DSL-N (Damn Small Linux) on a USB stick so I can probably make something that boots. However I'm woried about the hardware support and network configuration (it has to connect to KGS). Also I think I would have to upgrade the kernel, but I don't know how easy that will be with DSL (and if I have time for it). Anyway, simply using an ssh connection to my machine at home would have been *much* easier... Erik ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Erik van der Werf wrote: I never said yes. At this point it is rather unlikely that Steenvreter will participate. Steenvreter only runs on linux. Since the machines in Leksand run windows and remote computation is not allowed (which is funny considering the tournament is on KGS) I pretty much have to be present myself. That always irks me when I hear this kind of thing. The world is basically windows chauvinistic and it's common to find little consideration given to any other platform. Did you know that you can create your own linux environment without having to touch the machine you will be using? My wife has her own windows machine that she doesn't want me touching, but I have a complete linux install via an external hard drive that leaves her machine untouched. Although the install is specific to that machine, it is easy to build universal setups that will boot on any modern PC into Linux, without touching the hard drive of that machine. This would require that you bring a memory stick of some kind or perhaps an external USB hard drive.You can get big ones really cheap now, and they are very compact. You plug it into the USB port and then boot into Linux. In my opinion, the tournament organizers should do this for you and the other potential Linux participants since Linux is becoming more and more popular and apparently it is already very popular with Go programmers. There are several possibilities for setting up machines that could use either Windows or Linux that would not require major effort on their part - just one good Linux guy helping them. I also feel for the Mac people and also people that have built programs that run on networks of workstations or other potential supercomputer programs that would not be able to participate. The rules are, you bring your own hardware or you use the hardware provided by the sponsors. The sponsors have provided Windows platforms. I guess these have USB ports. If someone wants to come along and insert a memory stick into a USB port, they can. If someone can't attend in person, but appoints an operator, then they can hope to rely on that operator to get the stick working and the machine booted into Linux. If they can't even find an operator, then they can hope that the operator I assign to them will have the competence, and the time (they may be operating several other programs) to get the stick etc. working. That's all I can offer. I have no experience of installing Linux myself. Nick -- Nick Wedd[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
Don Dailey wrote: I also feel for the Mac people and also people that have built programs that run on networks of workstations or other potential supercomputer programs that would not be able to participate. - Don Although I am one of the participants with access to non-conventional computational power, I must say I like the idea of uniform-platform tournaments. Uniform platform allows to avoid comments such as that program won because it had better hardware, or the frustration of the poor participants that don't have access to big hardware. I like tournaments such as the Computer Olympiad that allow anything, too. It is particularly cool to meet participants such as Hideki who uses a network of playstations. But it does not mean that uniform-platform is evil. It is a different kind of tournament format, that also has its qualities. Nick is in a better position to comment about this, but I also suppose that when a sponsor such as Toshiba provides hardware and prizes, it may not be very happy to see a program win with non-Toshiba hardware. Rémi ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
Rémi Coulom wrote: Don Dailey wrote: I also feel for the Mac people and also people that have built programs that run on networks of workstations or other potential supercomputer programs that would not be able to participate. - Don Although I am one of the participants with access to non-conventional computational power, I must say I like the idea of uniform-platform tournaments. Uniform platform allows to avoid comments such as that program won because it had better hardware, or the frustration of the poor participants that don't have access to big hardware. Uniform platform tournaments have their place definitely.They basically isolate programmer skill so they can serve well as contests of pure programming skill where the strength of the contestants are of secondary importance. It would be like a Nascar race, where all the drivers were given the same car off a dealers lot to see who the best driver is. However, by their nature they are exclusionary.A uniform platform tournament is almost certainly going to reward windows programmers. Although you could have such a tournament for any platform, the reality is such that most platforms would be impractical. Can you imagine having a uniform platform DOS tournament?Most people don't care about pure DOS programs. I feel that anything goes tournaments are far more prestigious and far more compatible with the (unstated?) goal of trying to produce the strongest possible mechanical player. Can you imagine, for instance, a computer world chess championship that would not allow Hydra, Deep Blue or would exclude anything that happened to have superior technology in it? - Don I like tournaments such as the Computer Olympiad that allow anything, too. It is particularly cool to meet participants such as Hideki who uses a network of playstations. But it does not mean that uniform-platform is evil. It is a different kind of tournament format, that also has its qualities. Nick is in a better position to comment about this, but I also suppose that when a sponsor such as Toshiba provides hardware and prizes, it may not be very happy to see a program win with non-Toshiba hardware. Rémi ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
David Doshay wrote: Had I known that I might have participated. I thought I would have to ship my cluster, and with my previous traveling cluster I thought it would never get past the US airport security ... is was such a mass of wires and parts that it hardly even looked like a computer. Cheers, David Note however that you would have probably not been allowed to participate together with GNU Go (I am not completely sure). Since nobody registered GNU Go this year, it may not be too late to enter. But the availability of internet connection in Beijing has not been confirmed yet. Also, you should be able to play on a local computer as a backup in case of connection problem. Rémi ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
On 17, Jul 2008, at 1:02 PM, Rémi Coulom wrote: David Doshay wrote: Had I known that I might have participated. I thought I would have to ship my cluster, and with my previous traveling cluster I thought it would never get past the US airport security ... is was such a mass of wires and parts that it hardly even looked like a computer. Cheers, David Note however that you would have probably not been allowed to participate together with GNU Go (I am not completely sure). Since nobody registered GNU Go this year, it may not be too late to enter. But the availability of internet connection in Beijing has not been confirmed yet. Also, you should be able to play on a local computer as a backup in case of connection problem. Rémi I would never presume that I could find enough local Macs with enough memory, networking equipment, and enough time to install MPI and make sure that everything was working ... maybe next year, when we also think we will be less dependent upon GNU Go. But predicting the progress made in software is difficult. Cheers, David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden
Well, I only wanted to participate in 9x9. My program is strong enough to not need help from amateurs. For 19x19, if anyone really wants to cheat it is still relatively easy, even under the current restrictions. Personally I think strength of the programs should be irrelevant. The organizers should simply require that the 'thinking process' is visible and that log files can be inspected by the tournament director in case of a dispute. Erik On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:25 PM, David Doshay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The programs would have to get strong enough that it would be hard to find some human willing to hide behind the network connection for the purpose of cheating. We could debate that level, but it would have to be at least into the pro ranks. Until then, I have to build traveling racks to hold my cluster, and it is a pain. Cheers, David On 17, Jul 2008, at 10:08 AM, Erik van der Werf wrote: In what way would computer Go need to evolve? Erik On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:50 PM, David Doshay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someday computer Go will evolve enough to have enough trust for remote computing. But not today, unfortunately. Cheers, David On 17, Jul 2008, at 9:39 AM, Erik van der Werf wrote: ... simply using an ssh connection to my machine at home would have been *much* easier... ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
