Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-09 Thread Robert Carroll
b_s-wilk wrote: Go to amazon.fr and search on plume waterman. Let me know if it works. In France you're likely to get more returns at Kelkoo, same search terms, http://tinyurl.com/ylyt7qr. Many of the items are in Amazon marketplace, but many are elsewhere too. Try

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-09 Thread katan
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:27:51 -0400, betty wrote: car made elsewhere. [I've gone totally foreign and drive a still new MINI Cooper, and I want one of those. I was going to trade in my Pinto as a Clunker, but it turns out that it's too old and too fuel efficient to qualify. Maybe after the Archer

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-08 Thread John Settle
Eric S. Sande wrote: Toyota is a publicly held company with profits that go to its shareholders who may be anywhere in the world. Yeah, I own some of that stock. But last time I checked Japan was a free democracy. What's their Ticker Symbol?

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-08 Thread betty
Toyota is a publicly held company with profits that go to its shareholders who may be anywhere in the world. Yeah, I own some of that stock. But last time I checked Japan was a free democracy. What's their Ticker Symbol? Find it on most financial sites: TM

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-08 Thread Jeff Miles
Sorry, but that's just wrong. Wild caught Alaska salmon isn't sent to China for processing. It's processed in Alaska or onboard a processor ship. And if the companies are mostly Chinese, they still have to be 51% American owned. I used to work up there in the industry and still have a few

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-08 Thread Robert Carroll
I started this thread by asking how to find fountain pen stores in France. For many products made overseas, an importer will make an agreement with the manufacturer to be the sole importer of that product. This means that a contract is struck: the manufacturer agrees not to sell its product

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-08 Thread Eric S. Sande
Go to amazon.fr and search on plume waterman. Let me know if it works. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-08 Thread b_s-wilk
Go to amazon.fr and search on plume waterman. Let me know if it works. In France you're likely to get more returns at Kelkoo, same search terms, http://tinyurl.com/ylyt7qr. Many of the items are in Amazon marketplace, but many are elsewhere too. Try

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-07 Thread betty
A Toyota manufactured in Kentucky is an American product. But where do Vincent's and Toyota's profits go? That's right, not to China or the US. I'm not saying that what you mention doesn't happen, although I'd be interested to hear a quick list of the companies you describe. If you had a

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-07 Thread Eric S. Sande
Do you have an all US made computer? No, because that's not possible right now. My point is that there are still areas where it is possible, at least mostly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules,

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-07 Thread Eric S. Sande
Toyota is a publicly held company with profits that go to its shareholders who may be anywhere in the world. Yeah, I own some of that stock. But last time I checked Japan was a free democracy. * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-07 Thread Eric S. Sande
The only thing that is domestically produced in large quantities is food stuffs. And historically the best wages come from manufacturing jobs, not agricultural or service sectors. Unless you have outsourced the manufacturing: http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118677584137994489.html

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-07 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Historically but times change. Manufacturing will not stay where it becomes expensive. It is labor intense. If you can marry the labor force with the resources you will have manufacturing. As times change and manufacturing changes you will see shifts in where manufacturing is located. My

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-07 Thread Eric S. Sande
Any town, state or country that becomes captivated by any type of income producing work, will one day find themselves abandoned when someone finds they can do it cheaper, better, or different somewhere else. I agree generally but if it can be done better and differently, cheaper doesn't

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-07 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
What you are describing is becoming a niche manufacturer, and that is fine, but understand it will also have to be supported by other industries. It reminds me of the merchants in town here. They rail against Walmart all the time. Meanwhile one of them sells high end men's clothes (pants

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-07 Thread Jeff Miles
But that's not going to happen. Not as long as we have Wall Marts out there. What is the one complaint most have against Macs? I even go to Wall Mart 4-5 times/year because certain name brand items and the only canned cat food my cat will eat is cheap there. However, I do believe some

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-05 Thread Jeff Miles
I believe this is a pretty biased statement. I've bought some really great looking American junk. And I've bought some very long lasting Chinese products. I think it's company based and not nationality based when it comes to the quality of a product. Maydoff(sp) comes to mind. Regardless

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-05 Thread Eric S. Sande
High end electronics are not made in the USA they are more appropriately assembled in the US. Not always. Magnepan for example buys raw materials in the US and fabricates in-house. Even the resistors, inductors, and capacitors in the crossovers are US made. White Bear Lake, Minnesota.

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-05 Thread Tom Piwowar
On Oct 5, 2009, at 4:28 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: Regardless of the origin of the product, wouldn't you want to know you're making the best? That is unless your a soulless crook. For many, despite where they live, pride is still a factor. Pride is still a factor and it gives me joy to see it.

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-04 Thread b_s-wilk
Eric S. Sande escribió: Besides when you order from China, you have to figure out if it's the real thing, No you don't. It's guaranteed to be junk, even if it's designed and supervised by European engineers. I'm guessing that won't be a popular statement. But I KNOW that Americans can

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-04 Thread t.piwowar
On Oct 4, 2009, at 11:04 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: We need more manufacturing here. Americans are very good conscientious workers. It is not the workers that are the problem, it is the managers. It is the managers who decide that they can fatten their bonuses by making crappy products. They

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
High end electronics are not made in the USA they are more appropriately assembled in the US. Putting together a flat screen TV? Flat Screens are all made in the east. (Orient) Remember Curtis Mathis? All they did was assemble electronics from parts made by other manufacturers. Most of

[CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-04 Thread t.piwowar
On Oct 2, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: Finding web stores sellers from other countries on Google search in the U.S. produces unsatisfactory results for me. Specifying the Google search domain from other countries has proved for me to produce a limited number of links. Easy.

[CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-04 Thread t.piwowar
On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:06 AM, Eric S. Sande wrote: I'm guessing that won't be a popular statement. But I KNOW that Americans can do it better. Our audio products are better, our bicycle products are better. The prices of high-end audio equipment are particularly hard to defend. It is a

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-03 Thread b_s-wilk
I don't think they do that in Europe, at least, not in France. I'm pretty familiar with what US audio equipment goes for in Japan and Australia. It's a 20-30% percent markup over US list, that it gets bought says something for the quality of the product. Of course it's all high end

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-03 Thread b_s-wilk
Which one did you order and from who? What do you want to buy? I've had good luck with several eBay stores. The last order I made at Meritline had half shipped from the US [blank DVDs and DVD-RW] and half from Hong Kong [card readers, SIM card, etc]. I've used other HK vendors too and all

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-03 Thread Eric S. Sande
BTW, the Australian dollar is 20-30% less than the US$. Your point being? I think we're talking about two different things. High end audio consists of, well, high end products. McIntosh, Magnepan, Benchmark, Bryston, stuff like that. It doesn't matter what dollar scale you use, as long as

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-03 Thread Eric S. Sande
Besides when you order from China, you have to figure out if it's the real thing, No you don't. It's guaranteed to be junk, even if it's designed and supervised by European engineers. I'm guessing that won't be a popular statement. But I KNOW that Americans can do it better. Our audio

[CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-02 Thread Robert Carroll
Below is a Background section -- it explains only my motivation for my question, so skip it to the actual question following unless you like to read stuff. BACKGROUND = I am a devotee of the fountain pen since my second grade in public school. Write a lot, tried many

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I am not an expert, but I have seen articles. France is one of those countries that have started to limit sales of items within their country to recognized brands. (Or something similar) They have sued Ebay for allowing sellers to feature trademarked items from French Companies. Also what

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-02 Thread b_s-wilk
Finding web stores sellers from other countries on Google search in the U.S. produces unsatisfactory results for me. Specifying the Google search domain from other countries has proved for me to produce a limited number of links. Question: Is there a good way of finding web stores

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-02 Thread Eric S. Sande
Question: Is there a good way of finding web stores internationally? Not really. It has to do with tariffs and trade, generally. High ticket items (I don't know if that's your situation) always cost more if they're imports and don't have production cost/volume advantages versus the receiving

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-02 Thread b_s-wilk
Question: Is there a good way of finding web stores internationally? Not really. It has to do with tariffs and trade, generally. Foreign exchange and VAT make a difference too. The dollar is down against the Euro, after going up in the Spring. Makes a difference when the Euro was $1.30

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Which one did you order and from who? Stewart At 11:23 PM 10/2/2009, you wrote: Question: Is there a good way of finding web stores internationally? Not really. It has to do with tariffs and trade, generally. Foreign exchange and VAT make a difference too. The dollar is down against the

Re: [CGUYS] Finding web stores overseas

2009-10-02 Thread Eric S. Sande
I don't think they do that in Europe, at least, not in France. I'm pretty familiar with what US audio equipment goes for in Japan and Australia. It's a 20-30% percent markup over US list, that it gets bought says something for the quality of the product. Of course it's all high end specialty