Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-11 Thread Jeff Wright
I like John's postings... he's rational, and where his solution might not work for everyone, he usually acknowledges that. We must be reading different posts. John insists that anyone should be able to do server replication, without knowing anything about their internal environment or business

Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-10 Thread Jeff Wright
Possible, but there is no good reason to do that. RAID is just a buzz word to impress rubes. It would be more impressive to tell them you have an LHC in the basement. There's no possible, it is. I suppose someone would run their SAN/NAS as a JBOD (just a bunch of disks), but all that does is

Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-10 Thread John DeCarlo
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no possible, it is. I suppose someone would run their SAN/NAS as a JBOD (just a bunch of disks), but all that does is give you a little extra storage at the cost of fault tolerance for the drives. Better to have

Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-10 Thread chad evans wyatt
On behalf of the rest of us who are quite tired of this shouting match of the deaf, thank you. --- On Wed, 9/10/08, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i To: COMPUTERGUYS-L

Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-10 Thread mike
The last 12 years, one bad RAID controller. Same time period, more then a dozen bad HD's. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:57 PM, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: RAID has some possible uses nowadays. Sure. Let's see if we can recap. 1. Those with just a little money or those with a lot

Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
There's no possible, it is. I suppose someone would run their SAN/NAS as a JBOD (just a bunch of disks), but all that does is give you a little extra storage at the cost of fault tolerance for the drives. Better to have the best of both worlds, if you can swing it. You ignore the ability of the

Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own I'll go with that. Thank you. However, did not one of the links posted here state that Google does not use RAID, it uses replication, except in a few situations where they find RAID is unavoidable.

Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
John, I really think that you've been at Mitre for so long that you don't have any idea of what conditions are like for smaller organizations, especially in non-profits. I'm lucky to get the money to replace desktops right now. Im trying to conjure up a mental image of where Jeff works. My

Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
The last 12 years, one bad RAID controller. Same time period, more then a dozen bad HD's. I will accept that was true *12 years ago*. I will not accept that as the case with currently sold drives. It has not been the case for the last few years.

Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-10 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
When did you get a picture of my office? Stewart At 05:04 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote: Im trying to conjure up a mental image of where Jeff works. My crystal ball reveals a snake pit worthy of Indiana Jones. Inch-thick coaxial ethernet cables slither and sparks leap out from behind hulking

Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-10 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Tom Piwowar wrote: John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own I'll go with that. Thank you. I like John's postings... he's rational, and where his solution might not work for everyone, he usually acknowledges that. However, did not one of the links posted here state that

Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-10 Thread mike
This is over the span of 12 years. A hard drive just failed a month ago at one location...either a seagate or WD drive, not sure. Either way, the only thing that at this point that kept his company running along was the RAID. Had the whole box gone down, or the RAID controller we'd have rebuilt

Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

2008-09-10 Thread mike
Yeah I'm not sure of many small businesses that can afford a cluster at the office. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Vicky Staubly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Tom Piwowar wrote: John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own I'll go with that. Thank you. I like John's postings...