I've had fine experiences in mixed and non mixed environments. I'm
wondering...how would the scientists run their software on machines that
didn't run their software? This is precisely my point, this point has
nothing to do with windows or os x. Did they fire everyone and replace the
machines
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com:
would have people believe. My point isn't that there are no IT managers who
are biased, but that I don't think the whole IT field is as underhanded as
Tom would have people believe. IT managers also don't control costs, many
CFO's don't look years ahead to see
Not larger than under 2k users. I was speaking more to Tom's points of just
black balling all IT managers...but than that's his bad habit with most
anything.
Macs can run any os...but it would be beyond ridiculous to have a company
with windows only software buy a machine that is much more
On Dec 19, 2009, at 1:58 PM, mike wrote:
As I stated, the TCO
of the pc's at this community college was lower than the
macs...because a
lot of the TCO that can be added has to do with maintenance on the
machines...AV work, etc...these machines have been locked down for
years and
have never
On Dec 19, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Reid Katan wrote:
Another thing Tom doesn't seem to understand is that IT departments
*not* having problems are unlikely to call for his services, so, of
course he's going to see an inordinate number of problems. He's
never going to see the well run IT
uh huh.
Constant, neverending, denial. Not a fact to be seen..you are a funny man.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:34 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Dec 19, 2009, at 1:58 PM, mike wrote:
As I stated, the TCO
of the pc's at this community college was lower than the macs...because a
lot of
t.piwowar
Creative accounting and refusing to admit the real costs.
When you lock down a computer you have greatly reduced its
functionality. People can't do as much with a locked down
computer. Their productivity is lower. Their creativity
is lower.
It is not a fair comparison when that
Tom won't care about pesky facts like every user can do exactly what they
want to do. He doesn't even bother to ask how they are locked down he just
assumes it's some horrible way that makes doing anything impossible. He
doesn't care about the truth, just advancing a MFB ideology.
On Sat, Dec
phartz...@gmail.com escribió:
And I suspect it'll be increasingly harder to find people who have *no*
experience with computers. So I would expect that most would have enough
experience to get *started* using a computer.
But what is the right computer OS to learn? Should school systems
I've been around enough IT managers and departments to know that this is not
some huge conspiracy, it is only the mac faithful who believe they are
locked out of business because of IT departments trying to secure jobs.
This is ridiculous..I'm not saying it never happens, but it's not rampant.
On Dec 18, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote:
I've been around enough IT managers and departments to know that
this is not
some huge conspiracy, it is only the mac faithful who believe they are
locked out of business because of IT departments trying to secure
jobs.
This is ridiculous..I'm not
Case in point of rabid mac fan bois...
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Dec 18, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote:
I've been around enough IT managers and departments to know that this is
not
some huge conspiracy, it is only the mac faithful who believe they are
On Dec 18, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote:
There is also the fact of changing from windows to mac is huge and
difficult
MYTH!
IT keeps insisting that everyone will have to learn to speak Swedish.
Even when shown that the Mac works right out of the box they continue
to blather on.
Right...just install that software you had built to run your million dollar
business on that mac...oh wait it's windows only...hmm
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Dec 18, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote:
There is also the fact of changing from windows to mac is
I'm talking about environments that use massive databases, RAID'd servers,
hard enough to build something fast enough when it's local...cloud would be
insane at this point.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Stewart Marshall
revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote:
What he is talking about and what
On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:34 PM, mike wrote:
I'm talking about environments that use massive databases, RAID'd
servers,
hard enough to build something fast enough when it's local...cloud
would be
insane at this point.
Running such on anything other than UNIX would be insane.
Watching IT try
On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote:
But at present much specialized software is only available for
Windows machines.
And you are still insisting that it won't run on a Mac? WFBs still
living back in 1999.
You've already shown in the past you have no experience in this area, why
continue to pretend you do? There was no version for OS X or Unix or
Linux. The software costs were high, and it came with half a dozen in house
support staff for implentation/training. I'm not talking about a ten user
Unless you buy an emulator and then buy another OS no it wont.
At that point totally uneconomical.
Stewart
At 03:46 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:
And you are still insisting that it won't run on a Mac? WFBs still
living back in 1999.
My friends who are scientists at a large [unnamed] chemical company in
Delaware were doing research using Macs. Then IT said they wouldn't
support Macs any more. Wouldn't buy replacements when they requested
more powerful computers. Everybody had to use Windows, even though the
software they used
VirtualBox is a free emulator and works well. There are versions for OS
X, Windows, Linux, Solaris. I installed WXP Pro in VirtualBox on my
MacBook. It's just as fast as last year's Compaq. I used an installer
disk from a dead Dell.
Unless you buy an emulator and then buy another OS no it
I've had fine experiences in mixed and non mixed environments. I'm
wondering...how would the scientists run their software on machines that
didn't run their software? This is precisely my point, this point has
nothing to do with windows or os x. Did they fire everyone and replace the
machines
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