Ugh, activation though in general with windows has had major problems. Many
have been refused when the keys and installs are legit...usually takes a
phone call to fix but the hassle is still there.
We just had a copy of Creative Suite stop cold. It took close to an hour
on the phone to get it
It was a bit disappointing, yes. It's important, however, to note that these
were issues that relate *only* to the beta test. Retail Windows isn't
distributed like this and doesn't get activation keys this way, so neither
issue is relevant to the release version (or to Win7 itself).
There you go
This is very funny...
Microsoft postpones Windows 7 public beta Microsoft Corp. postponed
the rollout of the Windows 7 beta today, citing very heavy traffic on
its Web site.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic
articleId=9125626intsrc=hm_list
Next
But I don't think mine was really far off the mark anyway. In both cases the
issue was a server problem, unrelated to any problems in the products
themselves. Tom was trying to make this into a problem with Windows 7, which
it clearly is not.
You keep slicing and dicing every MS problem to find
I am also confused about why this is funny. You think there is not heavy
traffic, or what?
It is a lame excuse. Like the computer ate my homework.
I guess it is funny to me because I once read a book of excuses that a
school teacher had collected over the years. MS seems to be writing its
own
I am also confused about why this is funny. You think there
is not heavy traffic, or what?
It is a lame excuse. Like the computer ate my homework.
I guess it is funny to me because I once read a book of excuses that a
school teacher had collected over the years. MS seems to be writing
You really have no idea what you are talking about, the activation keys were
not needed for installation nor to run windows, the beta testers were able
to install and run windows without any problem at all. This isn't passing
the buck but just simple facts. There was a substantial grace period
But I don't think mine was really far off the mark
anyway. In both cases the issue was a server problem,
unrelated to any problems in the products themselves.
Tom was trying to make this into a problem with Windows
7, which it clearly is not.
You keep slicing and dicing every MS
Tom was trying to make this into a problem with Windows
7, which it clearly is not.
You keep slicing and dicing every MS problem to find any
way you can to put the responsibility on somebody else.
Oh? What somebody else did I try to put the problem on?
I don't know. You were very vague
I think it was that Chris was wanting more to talk about the details of the
problem then just flog MS over and over as you did. It is very clear whose
fault the zune problem is since it's a MS product, it's a given. I talked
about the CPU because it's an interesting detail about the zune
Your attacks are moving beyond the strange into the plain weird. They took
an additional 24 hours to add infrastructure, then posted the public beta.
Omigod.
I strongly object to your use of the word attack. Sir, you are out of
bounds. This is a technical discussion. Your frustration at not
He didn't clip anything because you didn't put one in. And I quote:
*I don't know. You were very vague on that. That's one of my problems with
your defense of MS. Your tack that nobody is responsible for anything.
*The part that starts with 'I don't know.' is especially insightful into the
fact
Victoria's secret?? Of course it shut their servers down, those girls are
all hotter then Ballmer.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
A few years back Victoria's secret did their show on line and I believe
that the level of interest was so
Of course!!
Who wants to see a fat bald guy?
Stewart
At 01:26 PM 1/11/2009, you wrote:
Victoria's secret?? Of course it shut their servers down, those girls are
all hotter then Ballmer.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
A few years
Did you attempt to download the Beta and see what happened???
No, I expect to get a copy in the mail on a DVD with codes that work. Nor
did I get tickets for the Inauguration Parade (sold out online in under a
minute I'm told). Are you going to use that to insist that none of the
reported
Tom Piwowar
Tom was trying to make this into a problem with
Windows 7, which it clearly is not.
You keep slicing and dicing every MS problem to
find any way you can to put the responsibility on
somebody else.
Oh? What somebody else did I try to put the problem
on?
I don't know. You were
I strongly object to your use of the word attack. Sir, you are out of
bounds. This is a technical discussion. Your frustration at not being
able to get any traction does not justify such language. I suggest you
take some time to think this through before posting.
I do not see anything out of
Well, you're going to need to do better than that. Can you
point to any post where I tried to put responsibility on
somebody else for this issue, vague or otherwise?
How about the one I quoted and you conveniently clipped out of your
reply?
I do not find anything you quoted that I
Are you telling me that MS's process of handling activation is so
inefficient that it compares poorly to streaming such a long video?
You are confusing different things here. There was no issue that had
anything to do with inefficiency in handling activation. There was an
issue in distributing
I can no longer keep track of who the players are... What,
if anything, do the activation keys do for the Windows 7 beta?
I am surprised that if they were needed that the MS servers
couldn't meet the demand. It's not like they've never had a
big release before.
Wayne, Tom appears to have
Chris Dunford
Wayne, Tom appears to have confused two different events.
There was a technical glitch of some kind, not related to
demand, in delivering the activation keys. Subsequently
MS decided that it was going to need more hardware to
handle the volume of Win7 downloads, so it added
I assume there will be more releases, but this is a Public Beta
release. Many betas are not released to the public but to special
teams of beta testers.
As I said earlier I hope this is good omens for MS. If this much
clamor for a Beta release, drew this much attention I can only hope
for
Why do I feel that I am watching an episode of Don Quixote **
There are some posters here who appear to be gluttons for punishment,
by all this incessant Dueling with Windmills.
**
http://www.online-literature.com/cervantes/don_quixote/
Cervantes uses the theme of the idealistic, insane
But it is so much fun to tilt at windmills. It sure gets a wind up!!!
Stewart
At 08:01 PM 1/11/2009, you wrote:
Why do I feel that I am watching an episode of Don Quixote **
There are some posters here who appear to be gluttons for punishment,
by all this incessant Dueling with Windmills.
Why do I feel that I am watching an episode of Don Quixote **
There are some posters here who appear to be gluttons for punishment,
by all this incessant Dueling with Windmills.
He never gave up, as I recall. :)
*
**
I'm a little surprised by that, given the black eye that
MS got from Vista, I thought they would've had a couple of
dozen dry runs to make sure that _no_ one had issues in
trying the beta. It wasn't a big deal, just a We don't
need this crap
It was a bit disappointing, yes. It's
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:14:23 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper
But it is so much fun to tilt at windmills. It sure gets a wind up!!!
Stewart
He never answered your call for some clarity either it seems.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote:
Why do I feel that I am watching an episode of Don Quixote **
There are some posters here who appear to be gluttons for punishment,
by all this
Ugh, activation though in general with windows has had major problems. Many
have been refused when the keys and installs are legit...usually takes a
phone call to fix but the hassle is still there.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote:
I'm a little
This is very funny...
Microsoft postpones Windows 7 public beta
Microsoft Corp. postponed the rollout of the Windows 7 beta today,
citing very heavy traffic on its Web site.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicart
icleId=9125626intsrc=hm_list
Next they will
Why is it funny?
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
This is very funny...
Microsoft postpones Windows 7 public beta
Microsoft Corp. postponed the rollout of the Windows 7 beta today,
citing very heavy traffic on its Web site.
I don't understand why they are serving activation keys for
Windows 7 beta if they are completely unnecessary. Is
there some kind of grace period before you need to enter in
the key, or are the keys solely for the purpose of testing an
inoperative activation system? Google was not my friend
Are you saying that because Tom made a wild comparison,
its fine if you do it? Didn't your momma ever tell you that just
because somebody else does it, doesn't mean that it's OK
for you to do it? :))
Nah. I was just amused at my comparison being called a stretch while no one
said anything
Turning a little more serious again, while Tom may just possibly
be a wee bit extreme in comparing the Zune Dec 31 problem to
a crashing jumbo jet, one of the articles I read reported on a DJ
who uses his Zune for his engagements and lost the use of it on
what was quite possibly his biggest gig of
This is where I think Creative shines actually.
I have a few of the Creative MP3 players and have been very satisfied
with them.
We have never looked at Ipods, but like our Creative MP3 players very much.
(I think we have 4-5 different ones in the house.)
Stewart
At 10:23 AM 1/9/2009, you
I'm not trying to start an argument, but I have had a problem with the
Creative Zen mp3 player. Bought one for my daughter last Xmas because
it (unlike the iPod or the Zune) can download and play audio novels from
the public library. A few months later the LCD screen cracked without
Just wondering, how is the ipod/zune not capable of of playing those library
files?
Mike
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Robert carrollcompu...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not trying to start an argument, but I have had a problem with the
Creative Zen mp3 player. Bought one for my daughter last
Sorry to hear that, We have an old Creative Xtra (40GB) a Zen Vision
M (30 GB) and two smaller ones, a Nano (1 GB) and a 4 GB we bought this fall.
No problems with any of them. Matter of fact, when we travel the
first thing that gets done is pull out the Vision M and turn on a book.
I also
Arstechnica.com reports that they screwed up the activation keys.
Of course it doesn't matter. Its not like a computer OS were a bridge or
a piece of medical equipment.
*
** List info, subscription management, list rules,
Maybe we should have engineers build betas of bridges and stuff.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Arstechnica.com reports that they screwed up the activation keys.
Of course it doesn't matter. Its not like a computer OS were a bridge or
a piece of medical
Arstechnica.com reports that they screwed up the activation keys.
Yawn.
We can trust you to misstate pretty much everything. It does get old,
though, a little.
They didn't screw up the keys. The problem isn't in the keys. Or in
Windows. The problem is in the servers getting the keys to the
They didn't screw up the keys. The problem isn't in the keys. Or in
Windows. The problem is in the servers getting the keys to the beta testers.
Finger pointing. Did they subcontract the servers to somebody working out
of a grass shack in Bangalore so it is somebody elses's fault?
It is
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
They didn't screw up the keys. The problem isn't in the keys. Or in
Windows. The problem is in the servers getting the keys to the beta
testers.
Finger pointing. Did they subcontract the servers to somebody working out
of a
Maybe we should have engineers build betas of bridges and stuff.
They do. Much of this work is now done as a computer simulation, but
physical models are also constructed. Sometimes in minature and sometimes
a particular component at full or near full size. If you look carefully
at
Finger pointing. Did they subcontract the servers to somebody working
out
of a grass shack in Bangalore so it is somebody elses's fault?
It is noteworthy because it is the first public appearance of Windows 7
and MS couldn't be bothered to get it right. The word I used previously
was
And they could still use windows even without the keys.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote:
Too bad. It seems like this could be a decent windows release.
Again, this has nothing to do with Windows. It's a problem with the
subscription servers sending
windowsfudfiles.com is reporting Microsofts 2nd major blunder in the windows
7 release...a user reportedly used the delete key when he meant to hit
shift...reports to soon follow. This report along with the activation keys
being found in an unlocked case in Syria are sure signs to a horrible
How about complaining about a product you get for free? When you aren't
even one of the people getting the product?
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote:
Why is it that servers not getting activation keys to the beta testers
does not counts as screwing
I'm not complaining about a product you get for free that I
don't even get. That would be Tom (about windows 7 beta)
and Chris (about MobileMe). Tom at least has the excuse
that he supports many Windows machines and needs to
know what is coming down the pipe.
What I did was to first point out
It's a good thing that Apple is so good at this kind of thing,
otherwise
they might also have had server problems rolling out new products.
Hey, wait
a minute!
Isn't this a big stretch, comparing the somewhat routine operation of
serving product activation keys with Apple's launch of a
One of the problems that Microsoft has been hampered with over the
past few years is that they seem to be more reactive than proactive
and this has been shown in how they respond.
It seems to me that this is reflected not in Bill Gates, but in Steve
Ballmer who has been CEO of Microsoft since
Also, if you want to compare MS to Apple, the proper comparison is
OS vs OS.
Not if the problem isn't in the OS, which it wasn't. The problem had nothing
to do with Windows whatsoever. It was in the servers delivering keys to the
beta testers.
Not to mention that you don't need the key
Isn't this a big stretch, comparing the somewhat routine operation of
serving product activation keys with Apple's launch of a brand new,
fairly sophisticated product
You mean like equating temporarily hung MP3 players to crashing jumbo jets
and collapsing bridges? :)
Incidentally, none of
Can I buy Windows without activation? No, it is all one part
of the Windows gulag. And the botched it.
You aren't really paying attention, are you? This has ONLY to do with beta
testers getting keys online. It has nothing to do with consumer purchases.
Consumers don't get keys this way.
Also, if you want to compare MS to Apple, the proper comparison is
OS vs OS. Funnily enough, OS X doesn't have activation keys.
Yes, OS X is truly a deficient operating system. As everybody knows, what
customers all want is more Windows features, like activation keys,
product assurance hoops,
I can agree with the problem not being with the OS to a certain
extent, but having a problem with mis- or un-served activation
keys is only an issue if your product needs them in the first place.
Windows needs them, OS X doesn't. Don't ascribe this to
hardware lock-in either, my old desktop ran
Are you saying that because Tom made a wild comparison,
its fine if you do it? Didn't your momma ever tell you that just
because somebody else does it, doesn't mean that it's OK
for you to do it? :))
Turning a little more serious again, while Tom may just possibly
be a wee bit extreme in
I could see this being a problem if somehow end users who bought windows 7
couldn't get it installed because an MS server was down. But to be clear,
this is a beta for developers etc, it didn't need the activation keys to
install it or run it for days at least, and it was free to try. The
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