Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Jeff Wright
Unstable, as in needs to be rebooted after most patches. OS X is in the same boat. Unstable, as in needs to be rebooted about one a week just to clear the memory leaks (I grew up with uptimes measured in months, and in one case, years, not days). This was true for NT and pre-2000 clients,

Re: [CGUYS] adjusting pdf rotation

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
Nope, I just have Acrobat 8. I used to have an old version of PaperPort on an XP machine, and that could do it IIRC, but I don't have it for Vista. You woule think Acrobat could do this, but Acrobat only provides rotation in 90-degree increments. Curse Adobe.

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
The is goal is to move people to the cloud where most believe tech is headed. Let's all give a hearty baa for the Windows sheeple as they happily trot off to be shorn. Knowing how gullible they are do you think we can sell them some Magik Hair Tonic to grow back their losses?

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-24 Thread mike
Don't forget that mac baaa or whatever you MFB do...apple is headed that way too. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The is goal is to move people to the cloud where most believe tech is headed. Let's all give a hearty baa for the Windows sheeple as they

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
Or VISTA is skip it release like ME. August isn't that far away and WIN7 seems like it may be more forgiving of older hardware than VISTA. Waiting will save me unlearning parts of VISTA. Probably a good plan, except for the stuff they will be leaving out of Win7 to manipulate other markets in

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
The issue isn't which OS is the better OS; that's beside the point. This was never a discussion of better. Of course, Win7 will be better than Vista, though that may be seen as damning by faint praise. The discussion is whether Win7 is just a bug-fix follow-on to Vista. The reviews cited and

[CGUYS] OS X Follies [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
Unstable, as in needs to be rebooted after most patches. OS X is in the same boat. UNIX geeks laugh at people who can't write a proper installer. Yet Apple gets progressively worse at this. The latest OS patcher starts with a reboot and applies patches during boot up. That is about as tacky

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
I am glad that This Time Microsoft Gets It Right. The issue is how much we ought to be charged for a successor to Vista. Should be $0. (Apple did that with OS X.1. It was the honest thing to do.) That was SP1 for Vista. It's free (which is anti-competitive, right?). Nope. You don't know

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
I have not tried OS X server so I can not comment on that. On the client side, it is true that OS X has increasingly required a reboot after an OS patch. Windows boxes, both clients and servers, frequently require a reboot after an application patch. I was mostly addressing server side

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Chris Dunford
This time the tech press seems to have done a better job at accurate reporting than certain persons posting here. Somehow you keep failing to note that the review is overwhelmingly positive. So, if you mean that the review is, in fact, more positive than what certain persons have posted

[CGUYS] M$ cell-phone

2008-11-24 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/11/24/microsoft_developing_nvidi a_based_mobile_phone_report.html M$ is still trying to suck someone else's mama, I guess that's not big news ... now always a day late ... Thank you, Mark Snyder 7575 Colshire Drive McLean, Virginia 22101 703.883-8365

Re: [CGUYS] M$ cell-phone

2008-11-24 Thread mike
Seems like an odd report seeing that MS is already in the smartphone market and has been for years. Otherwise the article is a parody absent of facts. Having used a WM device for some time now I can say without reservation MS's WM development team should spend life in front of a firing squad,

Re: [CGUYS] M$ cell-phone

2008-11-24 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
Yes, this company seems to be ADDS. Ballmer seems to only do well at stuffing his pie-hole. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:33 PM To:

[CGUYS] msnbc.com: Location, location, location - and broadband

2008-11-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Location, location, location - and broadband Adam and Anita Paulk had a nice home outside Temple, Texas, with a big yard and a 10-minute commute to his job. But in Internet terms, the house was on Slow Lane. There was no high-speed Internet connection available.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
Somehow you keep failing to note that the review is overwhelmingly positive. If you consider not as crappy as the previous version to be high praise, I guess your could call it overwhelmingly positive. However, most of are not wearing rose-colored glasses.

Re: [CGUYS] M$ cell-phone

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/11/24/microsoft_developing_nvidi a_based_mobile_phone_report.html You should not quote the fawning pro-Apple press. The story was first published by the Inquirer... http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/11/21/microsoft-phone-nvid ia I might

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Chris Dunford
If you consider not as crappy as the previous version to be high praise, I guess your could call it overwhelmingly positive. However, most of are not wearing rose-colored glasses. -Only- could read that article and summarize it is not as crappy as the previous version.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread mike
'Overall, Windows 7 is a more functional, more efficiently designed operating system than Windows Vista, with far more attention paid to the user experience.' Doesn't that mean the same as 'not as crappy' ? Well in the world of those with a seething uncontrollable hatred for MS... On Mon, Nov

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
'Overall, Windows 7 is a more functional, more efficiently designed operating system than Windows Vista, with far more attention paid to the user experience.' Doesn't that mean the same as 'not as crappy' ? Well in the world of those with a seething uncontrollable hatred for MS... I know

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread mike
This theory of yours about not getting call backs is...well wrong. I've been listening to the Paul Thurrott podcasts since they started over a year ago. He has a dozen times completely and utterly humilated the MS WM team. He also spends no love on the horrible track record of xbox's that can

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Chris Dunford
1) Windows 7 is a more functional means Parts of Vista were severely broken. Win 7 fixes some of this. 2) more efficiently designed means Vista was a pig, needing much more RAM and much faster processors. Win 7 fixes some of this. 3) with far more attention paid to the user experience

Re: [CGUYS] msnbc.com: Location, location, location - and broadband

2008-11-24 Thread Eric S. Sande
Location, location, location - and broadband So true. I moved to my current location in 2001 (pre-DSL) based in part to its proximity to the CO and the fact that I had every reason to suppose that I would have clean, all analog copper loops with a short run. This proved to be the case (the

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
This theory of yours about not getting call backs is...well wrong. I suppose some people are just born to be sheep. It is a happy life until they walk you over to the abattoir. Maybe you want to nominate Balmer for the Nobel Peace Prize? Or perhaps sainthood? Baa. Of the many, here is a

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I do want to make one small correction to your citing the article Tom. The author himself states it is one individual at MS that has a vendetta against him, not the whole corporation. When personal feelings drives this type of behavior someone really needs to look at their management

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread mike
Don't confuddle him with facts, he's on a roll... On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do want to make one small correction to your citing the article Tom. The author himself states it is one individual at MS that has a vendetta against him, not

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
The author himself states it is one individual at MS that has a vendetta against him, not the whole corporation. I give up, but I don't concede. I noted that the story I cited was selected only becaue it was recent. If I had picked a different example you would be insisting that it was not

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Now Tom that is pretty low even for you. Have I ever really been just a WFB? I think I have been pretty balanced the whole time I have been on this list. You gave us an article and I went and read it (I really read it along with some of the comments) I will note the author did go, he was

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread mike
Looking in the mirror again Tom? On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True believers will remain true belivers no matter what. Baa. * ** List info, subscription management, list

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread mike
Yes, you always were at heart. You've done the worst now, disagreed with Tom so that makes you a WFB. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now Tom that is pretty low even for you. Have I ever really been just a WFB? I think I have been pretty

[CGUYS] MB/CPU Bundle

2008-11-24 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
Where is the best place for me to buy a MB/CPU Bundle ATX. I want to upgrade my wife´s Pentium III computer. Thanks Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness,

Re: [CGUYS] MB/CPU Bundle

2008-11-24 Thread mike
newegg is always running good deals... On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Marcio V. Pinheiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Where is the best place for me to buy a MB/CPU Bundle ATX. I want to upgrade my wife´s Pentium III computer. Thanks Marcio

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-24 Thread Fred Holmes
At 07:56 PM 11/24/2008, Chris Dunford wrote: Paranoia strikes deep/into your life it will creep. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean you aren't being followed [aren't correct]. * ** List info, subscription