Re: [CGUYS] 30,000 Text Messages a Month?
On Aug 18, 2007, at 12:39 AM, Eric S. Sande wrote: But from what I see every day, it's getting worse as far as motorist distraction is concerned. A young lady that I knew of, but did not know personally, killed herself while driving her car one night about a year or so ago. Her cell phone was found at the scene near her lifeless body and was determined to have been in use for the purpose of sending a text message at the instant she slammed into a tree at high speed. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Channeling Videophones
Dan, I use Skype with a web cam and it works pretty well. Discounting Skype's outage this past week it has been extremely reliable. I used it on a recent trip to China to keep in touch with my family here in the states. Voice quality suffers if either end has bandwidth constraints and I assume that goes double for video quality. Two of the hotels I stayed at in China had VERY fast Internet connections and we have DSL here at the house -- those connections were nearly CD quality. The third Chinese hotel had an overtaxed T1 and you got some half-duplex and echo problems. But I would say that if Auntie has broadband (cable, DSL, or FiOS) Skype would work fine for her. -Mike __ Michel David Lowe Purcellville, VA -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Else Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:12 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Channeling Videophones Anyone have experience with doing the videophone experience? A colleague is trying to come up with a way to get his ancient auntie online with a no-hassle version of a videoconferencing capability. Dear Auntie has no computer skills or computer, nephew will take care of purchasing required hardware/software. Apple or PC doesn't seem to matter, since we're starting with a clean slate. If one takes the Motorola Ojo as the optimal endstate, how close can we get to mimicing it with a combination of computer/webcam/software? Dan * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy
The lesser light referred to is moonshine. I see no contradiction. The person to be ashamed here is the people's pastors, who clearly haven't made much effort to teach them how to read the bible. Then again, some modern day countries are run by people like those, so I guess it's our duty to try to understand them. On 8/18/07, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Nye, the harmless children's edu-tainer known as The Science Guy, managed to offend a select group of adults in Waco, Texas at a presentation, when he suggested that the moon does not emit light, but instead reflects the light of the sun. reads: God made two great lights -- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Channeling Videophones
iChat. It's built into every Mac. As is the camera. It's essentially one-click teleconferencing. -- Forwarded Message From: Daniel Else [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:12:12 -0400 Subject: Channeling Videophones Anyone have experience with doing the videophone experience? A colleague is trying to come up with a way to get his ancient auntie online with a no-hassle version of a videoconferencing capability. Dear Auntie has no computer skills or computer, nephew will take care of purchasing required hardware/software. Apple or PC doesn't seem to matter, since we're starting with a clean slate. If one takes the Motorola Ojo as the optimal endstate, how close can we get to mimicing it with a combination of computer/webcam/software? Dan * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- End of Forwarded Message * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Advice about a Mac
I'd wait, if for nothing else to make sure you get the newest os at the cheapest price. If you do decide to get it now, upgrading the OS in X is painless and easy. Mike On 8/18/07, Harvey Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...a 1997 car (even in mint condition) is clearly distinguishable from a 2007 model. But a 2005 and a 2008? Not so much. That's pretty much were we are with OSX. Tiger is the 2005 model; Leopard is the 2008. - John Gruber, Macworld, September 2007. -- Forwarded Message From: Dan Blum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:35:11 -0400 Subject: Advice about a Mac Hello all: After many years as a PC user, I've decided to move to a MacBook Pro. I've never used a Mac, so I don't really know the advantages of any operating system version over another. Given that, is it worth it to wait until October for OSX 10.5 to come out, or should I go ahead and buy one now? My current computer is old, but still works, so waiting a couple of months isn't a problem for me. Thanks Dan * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- End of Forwarded Message * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy
I'm going to remove myself from membership from this list. I was a member years ago and what a great list it was. I enjoy helping people with computer problems when I can...but more importantly, I learned a lot from the members of this list. I haven't been a member for a few years and rejoined. My question is a simple one. When did this list get hijacked by extremists who think it's a forum to insist on socialized medicine and to bash Christians? What does that have to do with computers? For the record...I don't know any Christian who thinks the moon actually lights up. We don't think it's made of cheese either. But it really doesn't matter, because this is a computer list, or at least it used to be. My personal beliefs should never be discussed and neither should yours. Who cares what your political views are? It's too bad. I wish there was a moderator who would take control because I don't want to hear liberals spouting their lunacy any more than I want to read the extreme right venting theirs. I want to learn more about computers, and I want to help others if I can. A good moderator would insist that we stick to the topic. I would be thrilled if that would happen. Obviously there isn't a moderator. This is no place for me. I know you don't care. I don't care that you don't care. I wanted to voice my opinion about it before I left. It's too bad... For those of you who do stick to topic of computers and I know you are here...good luck and thank you for the help I have received here over the years. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy
Some moder day countries...--our own comes to mind. Jeff Myers -Original Message- From: Tony B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy The lesser light referred to is moonshine. I see no contradiction. The person to be ashamed here is the people's pastors, who clearly haven't made much effort to teach them how to read the bible. Then again, some modern day countries are run by people like those, so I guess it's our duty to try to understand them. On 8/18/07, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Nye, the harmless children's edu-tainer known as The Science Guy, managed to offend a select group of adults in Waco, Texas at a presentation, when he suggested that the moon does not emit light, but instead reflects the light of the sun. reads: God made two great lights -- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy
I think he enjoyed the computer talk here, but didn't like some of the people. Well, he seems to prefer orthodoxy to anarchy. I don't think the medicine discussion belongs here either, and what they do or don't do in Waco is a matter of supreme indifference to me. But I know how to read selectively, and for the most part this list stays on topic. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] staying on-topic
The topic isn't 'computers', it's the Computer Guys show. The show no longer exists(?), so unless we can figure out a way to kill off the list, we're all stuck with the off-topic stuff. But I know how to read selectively, and for the most part this list stays on topic. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy
As the resident theologian or heretic (depending on who you ask) let me comment. I have not read the article that was pulled from the Waco paper, but it does not surprise me. The acceptance of technology is difficult in a culture that wants to stay uninformed and uneducated (Oh by the way I live in Southern Alabama so I speak out of experience.) I belong to a church body that maintains in its beliefs the literal 6 day creation (now you know why some call me a heretic) The south in general has resisted and been passed by, by technology. My youngest was just able to take courses on line the past school year. This was something new to these folks. Ten years ago (yes 10) my children in then elementary school could take satellite courses offered by a little rural school in Wisconsin (the graduating class averaged 25 students)! They think it is acceptable down here to let students do research and work on computers that for the most part have not been updated. (Many still run 95 or possibly 98SE) So it does not surprise me that some would be offended by what Bill Nye said. They do not want to know any better. Now with that being said it is possible that the way Bill said it offended them. I don't know I was not there to hear exactly what was being said. Many folks do not know the history of the Bible (I do not mean the Bible itself, but how the Bible was put together) and have put worship of the Bible ahead of worship of what the Bible testifies too. It was never meant to be read and understood literally. Yes this has a lot to do with computers, as computers are a tool. A tool that God has given us to use and make use of. It is what we can do with that tool that matters. I read an article that the Lutheran Church of Sweden (A state church) recently refused to allow a churches Bell tower to be used to house a Wireless broadband transmitter for the community because they were concerned about what people would be able to do with that Internet connection (read on-line porn) Talk about being anti technology! (presently the town only has dial up access.) When religion forgets what it is all about (pointing to God) it quits being religion and it starts being a god. Stewart At 08:50 PM 8/18/2007, you wrote: On Aug 18, 2007, at 8:29 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: I know you don't care. I don't care that you don't care. I wanted to voice my opinion about it before I left. It's too bad... For those of you who do stick to topic of computers and I know you are here...good luck and thank you for the help I have received here over the years. Well, I guess I've done it now. That one post about Bill Nye must have been the proverbial straw. I do wish the guy had read the story, though. He would have discovered what particularly interested me, and it was not how those few silly folks reacted in Waco. We have all seen or heard of that long ago, and there are some of them in any camp. The really interesting thing, and certainly related to computing, was how the Waco newspaper that first reported the event took the story down from their website in short order. Maybe Mr. Morris would like to come back and be that moderator he says we need. If he does, I'll make sure to insert the word 'computer' into each paragraph at least once. Gosh, though, I do wish that he had spoken up sooner instead of waiting until the tolling of the bell. I think he enjoyed the computer talk here, but didn't like some of the people. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] staying on-topic
On Aug 18, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Tony B wrote: The topic isn't 'computers', it's the Computer Guys show. The show no longer exists(?), so unless we can figure out a way to kill off the list, we're all stuck with the off-topic stuff. I think the show still kinda exists. Actually, Tom was the only Computer Guy to show up here to my knowledge. I also think that we can talk about computers and computing without having to strictly discuss only hardware and software issues. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] staying on-topic
I also think that we can talk about computers and computing without having to strictly discuss only hardware and software issues. Agreed. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
