Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
At 11:46 PM -0400 4/23/09, Eric S. Sande wrote: To get an idea of the league these guys are playing in check out: Cary SLP-05, US $7.5K. Audio Research LS-17, US $4K. Audio Research LS-26, US $6K. And these are just _preamps_, for crying out loud. Of course these are all balanced, US made, somewhat acceptable tube preamps. If you think computers are crazy, you should try audio. But there is a market for this stuff and things even WAY more expensive. Crank up the sound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs1aUws0Lrs My God! My first reaction is: more money than brains, but that's not fair; I, too, have my little obsessions. I loved the turntables these guys have. I'm surprised that vacuum tubes are still being manufactured! I know people collect them from going to estate auctions. All of that audio quality would be wasted on these old ears, anyway. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: A similar question was asked of Paul Kliptsch who made only high end speakers. (Came out with a bookshelf model named heresy) Because that is where the market is. A portion of the market. If Apple wants to show us it is all about good stuff. Make and market a netbook that is better than all the rest. But then it would likely be too expensive and the Lauren's and G's wouldn't buy it. Only snobs would buy it. Apple is about Computers. The computer market is shifting away from desktops (I think the past few years laptops have outsold desktops) Again, a portion of the market. If you're just interested in e-mail, tweeting, casual surfing and occasional word processing, a small screen laptop may be fine. If you're doing real work that necessitates being able to see things without undue discomfort or strain, no typical laptop is going to provide you with a 19 or larger screen and a detached keyboard. My brother does database work, and his workplace provides him with a Dell laptop that he uses at work. His previous jobs gave him desktop machines to use. He says that having to work on a laptop all day totally rags him out as opposed to how he used to feel after a day using a desktop machine. He'd love to have a larger screen for looking at all those tiny little numbers and letters, but he isn't going to get that where he currently is employed, so he'll just have to deal with being exhausted at the end of every day. Laptops are just not the best tool for working with all day long unless it needs to be portable. In the situation involving my brother, the portability only involves being able to haul the computer home so he can continue to have to work even when on his own time, which I guess means it really isn't his own time at all. (FWIW, I give him a hard time about that.) Also, the reason for laptops at the office as opposed to desktops is all about money and how to squeeze work out of the employee while out of the office. Laptops take up less space, which means the desk can be smaller which then means the cubicles can be smaller which then means more workers can be crammed into a given space which translates to less square footage which equals cheaper rent. Maybe with really tiny hand-held computers, all the desks, chairs and cubicles could be completely eliminated and all the employees could stand instead of sit. Then you could really cram a lot of workers into a very small space. Now, that's a bit silly, but I'm just making a Dilbert point about computer based work environments. At this point people are about small portable appliances that are easy to transport and use. (Iphone, Itouch ec.) Some people are. Many fortunate folks, me included, have no need or desire to have to transport their work computer. As to that easy to use thing, have you ever watched someone using an iPhone? Ever notice how often they have to struggle to touch the correct area of the screen? Ever notice how many times they have to make corrections? Easy to use? Not necessarily. Instead of looking down your nose at a segment of the market. Make it better and show others how it is supposed to be done. Most things that are better made are more expensive. Once again, right back to that same old problem. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
When I was a kid, I can the vacuum tube tester at the local Radio Shack. It was as self-service machine with a bunch of tube sockets on the top. My parents had an old David Bogen pre-amp with tubes (as part of a mono system) and I used to find it frustrating to wait for the thing to warm up. I now experience similar frustration every workday when I restart or shutdown my work-issued Windows laptop. Scott From: Roger D. Parish rogerd.par...@gmail.com I'm surprised that vacuum tubes are still being manufactured! I know people collect them from going to estate auctions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
Would it be possible for him to purchase an inexpensive monitor and keyboard/mouse combo for his laptop. Couple hundered bux could help him take care of some of that wear and tear he is getting from the cramped keyboard/monitor of the laptop. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:07 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: A similar question was asked of Paul Kliptsch who made only high end speakers. (Came out with a bookshelf model named heresy) Because that is where the market is. A portion of the market. If Apple wants to show us it is all about good stuff. Make and market a netbook that is better than all the rest. But then it would likely be too expensive and the Lauren's and G's wouldn't buy it. Only snobs would buy it. Apple is about Computers. The computer market is shifting away from desktops (I think the past few years laptops have outsold desktops) Again, a portion of the market. If you're just interested in e-mail, tweeting, casual surfing and occasional word processing, a small screen laptop may be fine. If you're doing real work that necessitates being able to see things without undue discomfort or strain, no typical laptop is going to provide you with a 19 or larger screen and a detached keyboard. My brother does database work, and his workplace provides him with a Dell laptop that he uses at work. His previous jobs gave him desktop machines to use. He says that having to work on a laptop all day totally rags him out as opposed to how he used to feel after a day using a desktop machine. He'd love to have a larger screen for looking at all those tiny little numbers and letters, but he isn't going to get that where he currently is employed, so he'll just have to deal with being exhausted at the end of every day. Laptops are just not the best tool for working with all day long unless it needs to be portable. In the situation involving my brother, the portability only involves being able to haul the computer home so he can continue to have to work even when on his own time, which I guess means it really isn't his own time at all. (FWIW, I give him a hard time about that.) Also, the reason for laptops at the office as opposed to desktops is all about money and how to squeeze work out of the employee while out of the office. Laptops take up less space, which means the desk can be smaller which then means the cubicles can be smaller which then means more workers can be crammed into a given space which translates to less square footage which equals cheaper rent. Maybe with really tiny hand-held computers, all the desks, chairs and cubicles could be completely eliminated and all the employees could stand instead of sit. Then you could really cram a lot of workers into a very small space. Now, that's a bit silly, but I'm just making a Dilbert point about computer based work environments. At this point people are about small portable appliances that are easy to transport and use. (Iphone, Itouch ec.) Some people are. Many fortunate folks, me included, have no need or desire to have to transport their work computer. As to that easy to use thing, have you ever watched someone using an iPhone? Ever notice how often they have to struggle to touch the correct area of the screen? Ever notice how many times they have to make corrections? Easy to use? Not necessarily. Instead of looking down your nose at a segment of the market. Make it better and show others how it is supposed to be done. Most things that are better made are more expensive. Once again, right back to that same old problem. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
My company provides most employees with laptops. We are pressed to take them home, 'tho I usually leave mine behind unless I need to take it home. We all attach one or two LCD screens in the office. Tell your brother to buy a monitor for his laptop, he should be able to find one from HP or Dell for around $75 in a sale. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- My brother does database work, and his workplace provides him with a Dell laptop that he uses at work. His previous jobs gave him desktop machines to use. He says that having to work on a laptop all day totally rags him out as opposed to how he used to feel after a day using a desktop machine. He'd love to have a larger screen for looking at all those tiny little numbers and letters, but he isn't going to get that where he currently is employed, so he'll just have to deal with being exhausted at the end of every day. Laptops are just not the best tool for working with all day long unless it needs to be portable. In the situation involving my brother, the portability only involves being able to haul the computer home so he can continue to have to work even when on his own time, which I guess means it really isn't his own time at all. (FWIW, I give him a hard time about that.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
That doesn't help his situation..has he actually checked to see if he can put a monitor on his desk? We are talking almost zero foot print...keyboard mouse. It could increase his well being and productivity. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:13 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:22 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Would it be possible for him to purchase an inexpensive monitor and keyboard/mouse combo for his laptop. Couple hundered bux could help him take care of some of that wear and tear he is getting from the cramped keyboard/monitor of the laptop. I think he should quit bringing his work computer home altogether, and I do not think he can change his work set-up at the office. He says that virtually everyone uses laptops at the office...except for the administrative staff. They have desktops. They don't take work home. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
But then it would likely be too expensive and the Lauren's and G's wouldn't buy it. Only snobs would buy it. Is there some middle ground between snobs and destitute? I'll admit that there are people so poor that they have to buy computers like the one Lauren bought, but is that representative of more than the bottom 10% of the market for computers? Is that a good market for a successful manufacturer? Is the tiny profit margin on such computers worth the bother of selling to this market? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
Not every company has the extra cash necessary to operate this way. Providing poor hardware to staff lowers staff productivity and increases error rates. It makes staff tireder and less likely to get innovative insights. The poor hardware is probably losing the company 30 to 40 percent of each employee's labor cost. So instead of spending an extra $2000 to get a proper computer they are spending $100,000 per computer on lower staff productivity (over the 3-year life of the miserable computer). That's why CFOs need to pay more attention to the bad decisions made by IT. My brother does database work, and his workplace provides him with a Dell laptop that he uses at work. His previous jobs gave him desktop machines to use. He says that having to work on a laptop all day totally rags him out as opposed to how he used to feel after a day using a desktop machine. He'd love to have a larger screen for looking at all those tiny little numbers and letters, but he isn't going to get that where he currently is employed, so he'll just have to deal with being exhausted at the end of every day. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
Would it be possible for him to purchase an inexpensive monitor and keyboard/mouse combo for his laptop. Couple hundered bux could help him take care of some of that wear and tear he is getting from the cramped keyboard/monitor of the laptop. Apple laptops will drive a large, wide-screen monitor. I suppose some PCs can do this too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
Yes, but the middle ground appears to be named cheap. Consider the number of people with high levels of debt and then the shrinking number of jobs; personal computer buying appears to be at least 75% el-cheapo. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Is there some middle ground between snobs and destitute? I'll admit that there are people so poor that they have to buy computers like the one Lauren bought, but is that representative of more than the bottom 10% of the market for computers? Is that a good market for a successful manufacturer? Is the tiny profit margin on such computers worth the bother of selling to this market? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
Most graphic cards can run at least a moderately-large monitor. The days when few PC laptops can do this are long-gone. Apple includes a high-end graphics card in all but the low-end, but low-end cards will drive a decent sized monitor. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Apple laptops will drive a large, wide-screen monitor. I suppose some PCs can do this too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: My company provides most employees with laptops. We are pressed to take them home, 'tho I usually leave mine behind unless I need to take it home. We all attach one or two LCD screens in the office. Tell your brother to buy a monitor for his laptop, he should be able to find one from HP or Dell for around $75 in a sale. Sure, but he shouldn't have to be the one to buy the monitor. Workers should also not have to do work on their own time, though I guess that when a worker is salaried as opposed to paid on an hourly basis, companies might seem to think that they own all of the employee's time. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats [Was: No netbook for you!
Yes, but the middle ground appears to be named cheap. Consider the number of people with high levels of debt and then the shrinking number of jobs; personal computer buying appears to be at least 75% el-cheapo. And in the news... Microsoft profits sink 32 percent. Apple profits rise 15 percent. Apple earnings are now 40% of Microsoft's as the gap narrows further. Care to explain away reality? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
Shoulda, woulda, coulda ... Life is too short. If spending $50 to $100 dollars on something the company should have provided makes my day less than grueling, I won't hesitate. I make a decent salary, so am not talking about spending money I don't have. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Sure, but he shouldn't have to be the one to buy the monitor. Workers should also not have to do work on their own time, though I guess that when a worker is salaried as opposed to paid on an hourly basis, companies might seem to think that they own all of the employee's time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OT: Comcast Cable HD
Hooking up the conversion box was a snap once the antenna was built. We are getting many channels through the HD box. Sadly, though, WETA is not one of them. It is interesting to see what's coming over the air, though. This may inspire us to investigate a bit more -- maybe even dump Comcast. Enter your address at antennaweb.com to see what you can get OTA. I added an outside antenna and we are very happy with it. No Comcast! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Video formats for Final Cut
My only concern was the availability of the format. Istockphoto, for example, looks like a lot of their stuff is .mov. We're going to be drawing on a lot of pre-recorded clips. It's fine to use .mov files, but since you use a Mac, iMovie will be faster and easier than FCP. Uncompressed video is best, although almost any video format can be imported, or converted for import at needed, using QuickTime Pro or ffmpegX. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
Shoulda, woulda, coulda ... Life is too short. If spending $50 to $100 dollars on something the company should have provided makes my day less than grueling, I won't hesitate. Won't that be violating the company policy to be unproductive? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CLI
Who needs all this computer forensics -- just a few minutes of waterboarding will tell us all we need to know. The government needs to be more efficient. The bigger question is to whether the email was illegal in the first place and how poorly reasoned the search warrant application was. He was also suspected of grade changing which would have been a better cause for the action if they had sufficient evidence for a warrant. It looks like they really want to pin the grade changing on him and are using the emails as a reason to search his computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
Hey even those cheap throw away crappy netbooks will drive one of those. Stewart At 09:45 AM 4/24/2009, you wrote: Apple laptops will drive a large, wide-screen monitor. I suppose some PCs can do this too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
Perhaps this does need to be explained to you, though I doubt it. Apple's profit was not from computers; those sales actually fell. Translation: Not good news for you. MS's losses are indicative of the economy right now; very few companies reported profits. Translation: Not good news for you. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats [Was: No netbook for you!
Yup they make more profit as they are a direct to market seller, and make profit on both the hardware and software. MS make profit only on software and only on PC's sold. Apple of course is more diversified so it make profit from more sectors. Good for them of course. Stewart At 11:30 AM 4/24/2009, you wrote: And in the news... Microsoft profits sink 32 percent. Apple profits rise 15 percent. Apple earnings are now 40% of Microsoft's as the gap narrows further. Care to explain away reality? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
At one time they would have been at the high middle. I wouldn't put Denon or Onkyo in the same category as McIntosh. BO is probably closer to Apple in design philosopy and market niche, IMHO. So you are saying apple is for elitist snobs? Apple products are for people who want good quality electronics that last a long time, at a reasonable price. The more expensive _netbooks_ cost up to $5000. The $300 ones are cheap, made cheaply, and don't last, but if you don't need a forever product with a lot more features, why not get the cheap one. Just don't expect the same quality for the low prices. Quality electronics cost more to make, same for quality bicycles, audio, HDTVs, cameras, cars, etc. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats [Was: No netbook for you!
Apple of course is more diversified so it make profit from more sectors. AAPL more diversified? Did MSFT close down a large part of the company while I was not looking? This claim makes no sense at all. Someone who believes it will believe anything. Or is this just another example of WFBs spouting random nonesense to try scoring a point for their beloved under achiever. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
Perhaps this does need to be explained to you, though I doubt it. Apple's profit was not from computers; those sales actually fell. Translation: Not good news for you. The iPhone iTouch are not computers? They run OS X. With all the current discussion of netbooks I'm surprised that you don't recognize the ultimate net book. Or is being crappy a prerequisite for being a net book? MS's losses are indicative of the economy right now; very few companies reported profits. Translation: Not good news for you. Very few, like big gains at Apple? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
The iPhone iTouch are not computers? They run OS X. With all the current discussion of netbooks I'm surprised that you don't recognize the ultimate net book. Or is being crappy a prerequisite for being a net book? No, but a keyboard sure is. And a screen big enough to read a word processing document or a spreadsheet. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] monitor cables
It's the digital version of the analog VGA cable. For more info than you would ever want to know: There is also a flavor of DVI cable that does VGA passthrough. Lots of fun sorting through the various DVI cable flavors. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
And we wonder why Apple is called elitist? Apple already makes a better product in this category. I suspect the reason Apple is even bothering to trash netbooks is because they have a bigger iTouch in the works. Be sure to feign surprise when you see it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
Woopie, just what the world has been waiting for. Apparently 1 of the 3 will be your anti-virus software. No, it isn't like that. AV doesn't count, nor does any of Windows itself (e.g., Explorer Windows, command windows, control panel apps, Task Manager, etc.). Installers don't count. Most desktop gadgets don't count. Multiple windows from the same app don't count. Considering what a netbook is intended for, limiting it to three open full applications isn't much of a restriction. And if it isn't, nothing prevents you from installing a different edition of Win7 on it. It's just intended to be the base version of Windows for installation by the OEMs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
Considering what a netbook is intended for, limiting it to three open full applications isn't much of a restriction. And if it isn't, nothing prevents you from installing a different edition of Win7 on it. It's just intended to be the base version of Windows for installation by the OEMs. Were you around whan IBM came out theit its PC Jr? It is like that. I'm not big on vendors who artificially cripple their software. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Tubes
I'm surprised that vacuum tubes are still being manufactured! I know people collect them from going to estate auctions. There are still quite a few compamies making them in China and the countries of the former USSR. Even a few Western countries, including the US. Non NOS audio type tubes are ususally Russian or Chinese, hopefully mil-spec. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
iTouch/iPhone are fine machines, Tom, but they are emphatically NOT netbooks. Until you can show me someone typing a document at full speed into OpenOffice or an equivalent, I ain't buying that line for a second. My point is that a net book's keyboard is too small for serious typing. It is just barely better than the iPhone/iTouch's version. Not better enough. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
Were you around whan IBM came out theit its PC Jr? It is like that. Yes, I was around, and it is not like that at all. It is a version that is intended for the limited hardware environment of lower-end netbooks, that's all. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
My point is that a net book's keyboard is too small for serious typing. It is just barely better than the iPhone/iTouch's version. Not better enough. You have a lot of real-life experience typing on netbooks? Or watching people who do? My son can type just as fast on his netbook as he can on a desktop, and it didn't take him more than a couple of hours to get to that point. I can type almost as fast on it as on my real keyboard, and I haven't used it much at all. To say that a reduced-size version of a real keyboard is barely better than a tiny touchscreen simulation of a keyboard is fantasy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
Yes, I was around, and it is not like that at all. It is a version that is intended for the limited hardware environment of lower-end netbooks, that's all. Then why not let the hardware and the patience of the user determine how many applications can run? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
To say that a reduced-size version of a real keyboard is barely better than a tiny touchscreen simulation of a keyboard is fantasy. I'll wait for Apple to do it right. http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/braintweet.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
To say that a reduced-size version of a real keyboard is barely better than a tiny touchscreen simulation of a keyboard is fantasy. I'll wait for Apple to do it right. I'm shocked. Of course, in the meantime the rest of us are getting our work done with our crappy keyboard-based non-Borgified netbooks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!
So you are saying apple is for elitist snobs? I didn't mean to imply that. I just meant that to BO and Apple, design considerations have a similar importance. Apple executes better than BO. That is one reason that BO isn't doing better than it is. Another reason is that although both companies have similar business models, e. g. dedicated, branded retail stores, there is a lot of respect among computer enthusiasts for Apple. BO has little to no respect among audiophiles. I frequent audiophile forums, where the focus is on music listening and appreciation to a greater degree than how pretty the equipment is (I happen to prefer the minimalist black box style myself :-)). BO is never mentioned. I think I can spot the distinction between a design with no soul and one with. Macs (the computers) have, undeniably and no matter what other considerations there may be, soul. BO makes very pretty Yuppie toys. I never found Danish furniture particularly comfortable to sit in either. I'm sure that Apple will eventually have a player in the netbook realm, I'm guessing a scaled-down Air replacement, when they see an opportunity. I can wait. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
