Re: [CGUYS] Google allowing users to opt-out

2009-08-13 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.theonion.com/content/video/google_opt_out_feature_lets_users?utm_
 source=videoembed

 http://tinyurl.com/ltfvaj

  So, will Google allow an opt out to protect the privacy of readers
of all the books that Google is digitizing?  The feds wanted to get
librarians to serve as informants so that the reading habits of
library patrons could be scrutinized.  Librarians pretty much rejected
that idea, and the feds were saddled with having to resort to going
through a legal process to get any such information.  Damn.

  Now, with Google soon to put all these books on-line, a new way to
track who's reading what presents itself.  What an opportunity!!
Think Google will play along?

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars

2009-08-13 Thread Eric S. Sande

It's this one.  Any thoughts?


It's not what I'd pick for any mission.

Basically consumer junk.

Sorry, just my educated opinion.

For too many reasons than I can explain in a few paragraphs.

My advice would be to check out some bicycle websites and
actually get an appreciation of the subject.  Research is good.

Schwinn hasn't been anything other than Chinese trash for a
while, sorry.

There are still good manufacturers in the USA but they are
going to be a lot more expensive.  See Waterford, for example.

They are what used to be Chicago Schwinn's Paramount 
division.



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Re: [CGUYS] Texas Judge stops Microsoft Selling Word

2009-08-13 Thread Art Clemons
 What's the security issue with using a document file format based on XML?


http://soa.sys-con.com/node/1061373

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/08/researchers_xml_security_flaw.html


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Re: [CGUYS] Texas Judge stops Microsoft Selling Word

2009-08-13 Thread Chris Dunford
  What's the security issue with using a document file format based on XML?
 
 
 http://soa.sys-con.com/node/1061373
 
 http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/08/researchers_xml_security_flaw.html

No, there's nothing inherently insecure about XML.  These flaws aren't in XML 
itself, they're in some of the code libraries that developers use to process 
XML.


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Re: [CGUYS] Texas Judge stops Microsoft Selling Word

2009-08-13 Thread Art Clemons
 No, there's nothing inherently insecure about XML.  These flaws aren't in XML 
 itself, they're in some of the code libraries that developers use to process 
 XML.


The most important issue is that MS has to stop selling Word with XML
and pay money.  In effect, Word has been orphaned unless MS can switch
to something besides XML quickly.

That being said, Microsoft has had to issue fixes for XML in the
relatively recent past, consider:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-069.mspx

I can also recall MS having to issue fixes for XML Zero Day flaws.  It
appears that as soon as one flaw is fixed, others crop up with XML usage.


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars

2009-08-13 Thread Jordan
I totally depends on what you expect and what you want to use it for. 
I've been out of the loop on the details of what is going on in the bike 
world for a few years, but I can safely say that this bike is a basic 
entry level bike.
If you want a bike to get your feet wet in the mountain bike realm, 
that bike might be OK for you. If you become any kind of enthusiast, 
you'll want to get something much better in short order.


Jeff Miles wrote:
Speaking of bicycles, I just won a Cabela's sweepstakes of a $1000 
gift card. I was thinking about buying the top of the line Schwinn 
they have on their site. It's this one.  Any thoughts?


http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp;jsessionid=DDQX2PC1WNHVXLAQBBJSCO3MCAEFIIWE?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A_DAV=MainCatcat602008-cat603441id=0067007518293anavCount=13podId=0067007parentId=cat603441masterpathid=navAction=pushcatalogCode=OGrid=parentType=indexindexId=cat601233hasJS=true_requestid=109972 






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[CGUYS] The Passing of Yahoo is Sadly Noted

2009-08-13 Thread TPiwowar
It must be a tough time to be a Yahoo search engineer. Following  
the company's decision two weeks ago to shutter its search business  
in a deal with Microsoft's Bing, Yahoo has gone from a respected-- 
if smaller--player in the business of constructing search engines,  
to an awkward participant in conferences such as these, where Bing  
representatives like Parthasarathy answer audience questions about  
the future of Yahoo search technologies.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10308539-2.html


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars

2009-08-13 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Enjoy you can probably buy a rifle sling for it and a nice rifle to 
carry along while riding.  :-)


Stewart


At 12:47 AM 8/13/2009, you wrote:

Speaking of bicycles, I just won a Cabela's sweepstakes of a $1000
gift card. I was thinking about buying the top of the line Schwinn
they have on their site. It's this one.  Any thoughts?

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp;jsessionid=DDQX2PC1WNHVXLAQBBJSCO3MCAEFIIWE?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A_DAV=MainCatcat602008-cat603441id=0067007518293anavCount=13podId=0067007parentId=cat603441masterpathid=navAction=pushcatalogCode=OGrid=parentType=indexindexId=cat601233hasJS=true_requestid=109972

Jeff M


On Aug 12, 2009, at 8:40 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote:


As a technology geek, I see no difference between a .45 (SAA,
M1911A1, New Service, take your pick), a bicycle (PX-10, Heron,
Schwinn, take your pick) or a computer (PC, Amiga, MAC, take
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Re: [CGUYS] Google allowing users to opt-out

2009-08-13 Thread Richard P.
Why does this sound all too plausible??? Thanks for the laugh.

Richard P.
 http://www.theonion.com/content/video/google_opt_out_feature_lets_users?utm_
 source=videoembed

 http://tinyurl.com/ltfvaj


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Re: [CGUYS] Texas Judge stops Microsoft Selling Word

2009-08-13 Thread Chris Dunford
 The most important issue is that MS has to stop selling Word with XML
 and pay money.  In effect, Word has been orphaned unless MS can switch
 to something besides XML quickly.

No, the ruling is much narrower than just You can't use XML. It has to do 
with support for the creation of certain kinds of custom XML documents by users 
(this allows users to create forms and
similar templates). It's significant that the ruling only affects Word, not 
PowerPoint or Excel, both of which also use XML for document storage.

In any event, the injunction is never going to take effect. MS has appealed and 
it will either get the ruling overturned or it will pay off this little 
company, in which someone else has simply
stepped up to the Microsoft ATM and made a big withdrawal.

 That being said, Microsoft has had to issue fixes for XML in the
 relatively recent past, consider:
 
 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-069.mspx
 
 I can also recall MS having to issue fixes for XML Zero Day flaws.  It
 appears that as soon as one flaw is fixed, others crop up with XML usage.

Fine, but my point is that these are not security issues with XML as you 
implied. They are issues with the code that parses and processes XML documents. 
It's not valid to say XML has security
issues, because it doesn't.


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Re: [CGUYS] Texas Judge stops Microsoft Selling Word

2009-08-13 Thread Art Clemons
 Fine, but my point is that these are not security issues with XML as you 
 implied. They are issues with the code that parses and processes XML 
 documents. It's not valid to say XML has security
 issues, because it doesn't.

What's the difference between Microsoft Core Services having an
implementation of XML tools that are subject to great misuse and
Security issues with XML?  If you can't use XML without a risk of
garnering little trojans or implementing some zero day flaw, what's the
practical difference.

The injunction in this is pretty final, the only options are complying,
appealing or trying to buy the rights.  Buying the rights will be a wee
mite expensive to put it mildly, and while the Eastern District of Texas
is a haven for Patent litigation, most of the rulings issued seem to
survive on appeal.

It's also hard to see how MS is actually going to do well with Word when
it can't support Custom XML.  In fact it might indeed be ironic if Word
competitors could still deal with Custom XML while MS cannot.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9698189/Microsoft-Injunction


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Re: [CGUYS] Disk geometry error

2009-08-13 Thread mike
Right...go after MS first, can't possibly be that norton just hasn't fixed
the issue with their program.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:28 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Tony B wrote:

 Vista introduces a new drive signature which isn't restored with a
 drive image with Ghost 14. Presumably Win7 will do the same. You must
 boot to the Vista install disk and run repair. Often several times.


 Pray tell, why do we need such a feature.

 Is this another one of those abusive things M$ does for their own personal
 amusement?





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Re: [CGUYS] Texas Judge stops Microsoft Selling Word

2009-08-13 Thread Chris Dunford
 What's the difference between Microsoft Core Services having an
 implementation of XML tools that are subject to great misuse and
 Security issues with XML?  If you can't use XML without a risk of
 garnering little trojans or implementing some zero day flaw, what's the
 practical difference.

Well, there's a big difference, because not all products use the XML parsers 
that have had security issues. My product doesn't, for example. XML is 
perfectly safe to use in that case.

 It's also hard to see how MS is actually going to do well with Word when
 it can't support Custom XML.  In fact it might indeed be ironic if Word
 competitors could still deal with Custom XML while MS cannot.

From what I gather from the articles, they're not talking about the XML that 
defines the document. They're talking about a rather specific form of 
user-created XML that's used to implement forms and
such. If that's right, I don't see how it would have a huge effect even if it 
stands (I've never even heard of this feature). I could be reading it wrong, 
but that's what I got from it. 

It's difficult to understand how anyone would have a patent on the use of XML 
just to store documents, since XML is an open standard, and that is clearly one 
of its purposes. If it was just You can't
use XML to store documents, why weren't PowerPoint and Excel included?


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars

2009-08-13 Thread b_s-wilk
I live in a small town with a full cross-section of people. It wouldn't 
do any good to say one car is better than another, any more than to say 
a chainsaw or a computer or a bicycle or motorcycle or a rifle is better 
than another.


It's important to keep in mind what's appropriate for each person, each 
job, and playtime. With tech and otherwise, sometimes high-tech works 
better than low, sometimes vice versa. But it makes a huge difference 
when people obtain the information and skills to use each appropriately, 
and to not use any of those when appropriate too.


So, we agree again, don't we. I'm a very good shot too, but now it's 
with a slingshot, accurate at 50 yards, even with bad vision. Since it's 
illegal to shoot woodpeckers that are hammering on my house, I aim for 
their tails with dried peas, cherry tomatoes or screaming monkeys.


Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com escribió:



Of course, in those rural environs, guns were perfectly legal to own and to 
carry around.


The parents would have gotten a visit from the sheriff if I had been
in your place.  Guaranteed.  When I was growing up my Dad, who
was an infantryman in WWII, taught all of his children gun safety.

Which is a major factor in my decision not to keep or bear firearms
in what I consider inappropriate places.  I do enjoy shooting at the
range, both high power rifle and various handguns.

I consider it a skill worth practicing.  Now that my eyesight is declining
I'm not what you might call competitive, but I do understand the
various platforms and their advantages and disadvantages.  Of course
I also understand other technologies in the same terms.

It is all in the intent and skill of the user, including an appreciation of
the legal and social concerns.

Assuming I am equally adept at detail stripping an M1911A1 as I am
at the same task with a computer or a bicycle, which I am, and
assuming that most people can't do these things, which they can't,
my familiarity suggests that the only difference is the purpose that
the technology serves.

As a technology geek, I see no difference between a .45 (SAA,
M1911A1, New Service, take your pick), a bicycle (PX-10, Heron,
Schwinn, take your pick) or a computer (PC, Amiga, MAC, take
your pick).

If this list is about technology, as opposed to just computers, it
might be more productive to discuss this in more specific terms.

Rather than demonizing or extolling a particular category.

For example, I might say that I found my Heron to be excellent
for bicycle touring, but the added weight of the Macbook Pro and
the M1911A1 led me to prefer the netbook and the Colt 1908.

You could call me evil, but so far this discussion hasn't focused
on appropriate technology or personal responsibility, although
Betty did touch on those topics.

A desperate attempt to get this back on topic.




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Re: [CGUYS] Disk geometry error

2009-08-13 Thread TPiwowar
YOU wrote Vista introduces a new drive 'signature' and I took you  
at your word. YOU wrote that it interferes with copying drives and I  
took you at your word. When I asked why M$ would add such an  
impediment  all you are interested in doing is diverting blame to  
some poor third party whose software no longer works. Are we to  
believe that Vista was ghost written by some third party?



On Aug 13, 2009, at 5:14 PM, mike wrote:

Right...go after MS first, can't possibly be that norton just  
hasn't fixed

the issue with their program.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:28 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:


On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Tony B wrote:


Vista introduces a new drive signature which isn't restored with a
drive image with Ghost 14. Presumably Win7 will do the same. You  
must
boot to the Vista install disk and run repair. Often several  
times.




Pray tell, why do we need such a feature.

Is this another one of those abusive things M$ does for their own  
personal

amusement?




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Re: [CGUYS] Disk geometry error

2009-08-13 Thread Mike
Is having you capitalized helping you maintain the illusion that I  
wrote something I did not?  Might want to see who is writing what  
before you /start rant...helps others know what the heck yer on about.


Sent from my iPod

On Aug 13, 2009, at 4:39 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

YOU wrote Vista introduces a new drive 'signature' and I took you  
at your word. YOU wrote that it interferes with copying drives and I  
took you at your word. When I asked why M$ would add such an  
impediment  all you are interested in doing is diverting blame to  
some poor third party whose software no longer works. Are we to  
believe that Vista was ghost written by some third party?



On Aug 13, 2009, at 5:14 PM, mike wrote:

Right...go after MS first, can't possibly be that norton just  
hasn't fixed

the issue with their program.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:28 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:


On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Tony B wrote:

Vista introduces a new drive signature which isn't restored  
with a
drive image with Ghost 14. Presumably Win7 will do the same. You  
must
boot to the Vista install disk and run repair. Often several  
times.




Pray tell, why do we need such a feature.

Is this another one of those abusive things M$ does for their own  
personal

amusement?




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[CGUYS] Zune: CNN Agrees With TP

2009-08-13 Thread TPiwowar

Microsoft's Zune HD Could Be Too Little, Too Late
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/ 
djf500/200908131645DOWJONESDJONLINE000635_FORTUNE5.htm


I think the are going to have to price it for much less. Pricing it  
at $80 under the equivalent iPod won't cut it.


BTW, M$ market share is 2%. Why to they even keep trying?




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Re: [CGUYS] Zune: CNN Agrees With TP

2009-08-13 Thread mike
Spose the same reason apple sells computers overseas.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:14 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 Microsoft's Zune HD Could Be Too Little, Too Late
 http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/
 djf500/200908131645DOWJONESDJONLINE000635_FORTUNE5.htm

 I think the are going to have to price it for much less. Pricing it at $80
 under the equivalent iPod won't cut it.

 BTW, M$ market share is 2%. Why to they even keep trying?




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