Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Like what? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, it's a serious question. I've >yet to read about any really important research that is going on in the >space station and that couldn't be done any other way. Microgravity offers real advanages in alloy and semiconductor maufacturing, also pharmaceuticals. We now know how to construct large structures in orbit and maintain a long term presence in space. Energy is unlimited and free. Four nations/national consortia can boost cargo into orbit and to the station assuming JAXA's HTV is successful. I see the potential as enormous. But we have to be there to realize it. The ISS is a good start. If we look at it as a platform for the assembly of space-only ships, and as a fuel transfer point, we could explore the L4 and L5 Lagrangian points. The moon is probably not a good idea if we can't prove the presence of water. Robots aren't smart enough to do it all, and if we look at this new frontier as a government monopoly we are shortchanging ourselves. Just my opinion. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
> >>> According to physicist Dr. Robert Park of UMd and the American > >>> Physical Society: > > > > You beat me to it. I was just about to post this. If, God forbid, a > > terrorist someday forces me to put on a Terps sweatshirt, I will be > > able to resist giving up the goods by telling myself that I'm wearing > > it in support of Bob Park. > > > You a physicist or a Park fan--or both? > > I've subscribed to WN for about 10 years. You? Just a Park fan. He is one studly scientist. :) Six or seven years, I guess. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Chris Dunford escribió: According to physicist Dr. Robert Park of UMd and the American Physical Society: You beat me to it. I was just about to post this. If, God forbid, a terrorist someday forces me to put on a Terps sweatshirt, I will be able to resist giving up the goods by telling myself that I'm wearing it in support of Bob Park. You a physicist or a Park fan--or both? I've subscribed to WN for about 10 years. You? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
> > Like what? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, it's a serious > > question. I've yet to read about any really important research that > > is going on in the space station and that couldn't be done any > > other way. > > Isn't this just another socialist boondoggle? Should not space be > left for the likes of Disney, Virgin, Microsoft, and the Sirius > Cybernetic Company? Yes. In fact, as a committed liberal I should be in favor of expanding our communist/fascist regime to the moon and Mars. We're all about control, you know. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
> According to physicist Dr. Robert Park > of UMd and the American Physical Society: You beat me to it. I was just about to post this. If, God forbid, a terrorist someday forces me to put on a Terps sweatshirt, I will be able to resist giving up the goods by telling myself that I'm wearing it in support of Bob Park. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:13 AM Sep 12, Chris Dunford wrote: Like what? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, it's a serious question. I've yet to read about any really important research that is going on in the space station and that couldn't be done any other way. Isn't this just another socialist boondoggle? Should not space be left for the likes of Disney, Virgin, Microsoft, and the Sirius Cybernetic Company? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Yeh ... and the US announced something er other about wanting to shut the Space Station down in 2015 ... a mere years after completion so we can pay for manned missions going back to the moon or to Mars or just wandering around out in space...Why would that be? ...Anybody notice a striking commonality between developing brand new manned space missions/military hardware, starting new wars, and keeping our current insurance companies in charge of our national health? ...Could it possibly be cost-plus unregulated pricing and profits in a time when most all other American business is sucking wind/getting clobbered by the foreign competition?. The Augustine Commission is assessing the status of NASA's human spaceflight program; Norman Augustine was president of Lockheed Marting and former Secretary of the Army. According to physicist Dr. Robert Park of UMd and the American Physical Society: "...The Coalition for Space Exploration issued a statement on Wednesday praising the Augustine Commission. That's a very bad sign. The Coalition is a space-industry lobby; it pushes for space exploration by humans, ruling out the universe beyond Mars. That is totally inappropriate for the modern space age, but it costs a lot more, and spending more is what the Coalition for Space Exploration is about..." The space shuttle Discovery landed last night in California. One of the astronauts was required to be carried out on a stretcher because of the physical toll of being in space for two months. Imagine how bad the astronauts' physical conditions will be when the are sent on a two year trip to Mars. We're not ready for long-distance human travel beyond Earth and the moon. Robots are. They're cheaper, stronger, more effective, don't need food or companionship, don't need the COLBERT treadmill, do their work, follow directions. Money can be spent more effectively developing and improving technology and medical/physical outcomes before considering human space travel to another planet. It's not time, yet. Plan ahead--do it right. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Verizon Webmail Security
I was using Verizon webmail today to adjust my account and subaccounts. All of the pages except one were unsecured, http pages. On the one page which was https, when I clicked submit, Safari came back and said this is an unsecured transmission. I discussed this with a Verizon fios tech support person, and although she helped me with other matters, she said that no one in tech support knows anything about how or why Verizon web mail pages are set up the way that they are. What's going on here? Why aren't the webmail pages secure? Why is the one page that's supposed to be secure, rated insecure by Safari? TIA, Alvin * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Word/Excel merge problem
Tom, Thanks, I'll download the converter. I was able to do the merge after saving it as CSV file (per Tony's advice). Thanks again, Steve t.piwowar wrote: Office 2008 uses a very different file format than previous versions. There is a converter http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.mspx?pid=&fid=EDB6CD8F-832C-4123-8982-AC0C601EA0A7#viewer Simpler would be saving the Excel file as tab delimited or CSV if you don't mind stripping out formatting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Word/Excel merge problem
Stewart, Thanks, but I had already done that. Tony's advice to save it as a .csv worked. Thanks for trying Steve Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Have you tried saving it in an older format for import? Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Word/Excel merge problem
Tony, I saved it as a .csv file and it worked fine. I had the labels printed up by 12:30! Thanks Steve Tony B wrote: First thing that comes to mind: Try exporting it to a .csv (or something) and merging that. Or have her send you a .csv. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
> OK, the orbit is too low, but it's an asset to be leveraged. > > We may not have the technology or the will for a manned Mars > landing, but just having a 24x7x365.25 platform is good. > > There are a lot of worthwhile exploration opportunities. Like what? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, it's a serious question. I've yet to read about any really important research that is going on in the space station and that couldn't be done any other way. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
We don't own it. I think it's called the ISS for a reason. Hell, the Russians are broke and seem to be docking there more often then we are. Yes, but as long as Russia is the gas station for western Europe believe me they aren't broke. We (the US) paid for Zarya because we could get it cheap as we didn't want to pay for Lockheed to build it. ALL of the the significant pieces of the ISS were paid for by the US taxpayer, in terms of lift costs (the shuttle program). That's OK, we can afford it. And there isn't anything wrong with leveraging our technology for the benefit of mankind. Our butts are going to be in a bad situation when we close down the shuttle and the only manned transport option is Soyuz. We forced them into the TMA design because the TM design was not to NASA standards. And they'll want payback on that. This is ALL politics. We can't get Ares/Orion off the pad fast enough, at this point. And at that, it's only a rough parity of an existing known reliable system. This would be a good time to look at extending the shuttle program, I know it's past its prime and it has all ready killed fourteen astronauts and two vehicles. And it's expensive as hell. But it is the only man-rated (hah) vehicle we have right now. But we know how to run it. I mean we have 3 out of 5 still flying. Things like the ISS and human spaceflight don't come cheap. This is what JFK called "...the things that are hard..." But I seriously doubt that anybody whose name is on this list, http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0114.shtml would argue that that it wasn't worthwhile. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
