[CGUYS] An internet pioneer rethinks his position
A provocative article in Tuesday's Science Times (the New York Times Science pages, http://www.nytimes.com/pages/science/): "The Madness of Crowds and an Internet Delusion" by John Tierney Internet pioneer Jaron Lanier is having second thoughts about the brave new world of the Internet, for example: "His new book, "You Are Not a Gadget," is a manifesto against 'hive thinking' and 'digital Maoism,' by which he means the glorification of open-source software, free information and collective work at the expense of individual creativity...He acknowledges the examples of generous collaboration, like Wikipedia, but argues that the mantras of 'open culture' and 'information wants to be free' have produced a destructive new social contract. "'The basic idea of this contract,' he writes, 'is that authors, journalists, musicians and artists are encouraged to treat the fruits of their intellects and imaginations as fragments to be given without pay to the hive mind. Reciprocity takes the form of self-promotion. Culture is to become precisely nothing but advertising...Creative people--the new peasants--come to resemble animals converging on shrinking oases of old media in a depleted desert...'" Mr. Lanier, once an advocate for piracy but now one of its strongest critics, argues that the ability of consumers to copy music and other artistic products without paying for them--or adequately compensating the artists in any other way--has effectively frozen music and other arts in their pre-digital format. He asserts that most of the acts that have done well by selling t-shirts on the Web, or offering downloads for what the consumer wants to pay for them, were actually well established before music and other arts were fully digital and downloadable. Denied meaningful compensation for their efforts, artists have little reason to put out anything really new and different, and new groups have a much harder time getting established. Food for thought. --Constance Warner * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...
Kia=Hyundai Hyundai=Kia. Stewart At 10:28 PM 1/12/2010, you wrote: Hyundai too. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:19 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:24 PM, phartz...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:40 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > > > > > Isn't M$ the one making the major push to get this into cars? > > > > Yes. > > > > > KIA is due to have something real soon now. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...
Hyundai too. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:19 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:24 PM, phartz...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:40 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > > > > > Isn't M$ the one making the major push to get this into cars? > > > > Yes. > > > > > KIA is due to have something real soon now. > -- > John Duncan Yoyo > ---o) > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Mike Sloane wrote: > A distraction is a distraction, whether it is spoken or poking buttons. The > skills of the average driver these days are bad enough without adding this > kind of foolishness. I firmly believe that when you are behind the wheel of > a powered vehicle, that is you whole job of the moment, and nothing else > should be occupy your attention. Maybe the traffic around Washington DC is > more forgiving, but here in NJ, it is bumper to bumper 4 lanes wide at 70+ > mph. You cannot let your mind off the road even for a couple of seconds, let > alone minutes. I am not a Luddite, but I think that "social networking" > technology has its place, and vehicle operation has its place, but they do > not overlap. > > You forget the scams called elections are used to off load the worst drivers from all over the country on the DC area. Embassies are the dumping ground for the worst drivers from all over the world. The problem is you aren't going to get everyone to your way of mind- especially on the Garden State Parkway. The best you can hope for is for the idiots selecting the safest of the options. Voice is way better than buttons. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:24 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:40 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > > > Isn't M$ the one making the major push to get this into cars? > > Yes. > > KIA is due to have something real soon now. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...
And Ford is doing a major push to get this into their cars. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:24 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:40 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > > > Isn't M$ the one making the major push to get this into cars? > > Yes. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:40 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > Isn't M$ the one making the major push to get this into cars? Yes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610
Whoa. My el-cheapo HP 2600n 'warms up' in seconds. I don't print too many color pages, and never color photos, but I've never noticed it being particularly slow. Works great. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:41 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > In contrast, every HP color laser I have encountered has a warm up time > measured in minutes and is deadly slow printing. I would avoid. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610
On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: But I have found that when I buy a budget printer I get exactly what I paid for. I bought a cheap color laser (cn3100) from Dell about 3 years ago for a bit over $300. For my low volume use it is completely satisfactory. I even use it for pre-press proofs and it is very close. It works on the LAN and even supports PostScript. My only complaint is that it is ugly. In contrast, every HP color laser I have encountered has a warm up time measured in minutes and is deadly slow printing. I would avoid. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...
On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:08 PM, mike wrote: Or are they answering a request by Ford etc? "Windows Mobile for Automotive" Fiat had it a year before Ford so I don't think you can blame Ford for developing it. http://www.autoblog.com/2006/02/02/microsoft-world-premiere-at-the-geneva-auto-show/ Of course you can blame Ford for calling up Bill to ask "Have you any ideas for making our cars more dangerous." * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
