Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
As much as I like my macmini, computers won't be completely tinker free until they come with 1)UPS 2) Internet connection 3)Automated backup. #1 is essential if you live with iffy power, (which means me even though this is southern Montgomery Co) #3 you need everywhere I guess everyone does get #2 if you include crappy dialup. - Original Message From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:46:38 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension] I could hear music playing, little apple flags waving...rows and rows of imacs standing at attention. Mike On 9/29/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting her a Windows computer would be a triumph of ideology over good sense (leave that to the politicians). An iMac 20 would be perfect. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
At 02:39 PM 09/29/2007 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote This is an application where Windows is inappropriate. She needs a computer to use, not a computer that provides endless opportunities for tinkering. Get her a computer that is attractive, easy to use, that works right out of the box and is not prone to failure. A computer that does not need anti-virus, anti-spyware, and patches every Tuesday. Getting her a Windows computer would be a triumph of ideology over good sense (leave that to the politicians). An iMac 20 would be perfect. And you're going to be right there with her to teach her to use this? Or maybe kick in the extra $500 over the cost of a PC? I would be her only teacher, and I know absolutely nothing about a Mac. I can do the necessary updates and sort out the messes on a PC. She is not an adventurous type of person. Her big hangup has been that she doesn't know how to type. Considering all of this, I think she'd be safest with a cable connection behind a firewall, all desktop icons hidden except for a word processor, My Documents, Firefox and a stand-alone email icon. Anything more than that, and she will throw her hands in the air and be done. Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
And you're going to be right there with her to teach her to use this? Or maybe kick in the extra $500 over the cost of a PC? The price of crappy PCs has crept up as companies like Dell have found that they can't be profitable at their former prices. And I was not suggesting you get the cheapest Mac either. I was suggesting the model that is most likely to be successful. The iMac 20 is $1200. Your description of the computer user did not suggest that a crappy PC would be acceptable. Many people do not want to turn a corner of their home into something resembling Dr. Frankenstein's lab. A computer that looks intimidating is likely to be a computer that does not get used. The Mac OS has VNC built in. To do that with Vi$$$ta you will need to buy a more expensive version. That would be a waste of money. I would be her only teacher, and I know absolutely nothing about a Mac. I can do the necessary updates and sort out the messes on a PC. I don't think ignorance is an acceptable defense. What if her doctor did not prescribe an important new treatment because keeping up with medical advances was too much trouble? You have a fiduciary responsibility to make the best selection for her, not for you. Instead of taking upon yourself the responsibility to sort out the messes why not get a computer that won't have the messes? You can then direct your efforts to the real challenge: teaching her how to use the computer. She is not an adventurous type of person. Sounds like a Mac owner. Her big hangup has been that she doesn't know how to type. Tell her that many computer users do not know how to type. We hunt and peck. Over time we hunt less and peck more. Considering all of this, I think she'd be safest with a cable connection behind a firewall Depends on what is more reliable in her area. I think DSL is usually more reliable. all desktop icons hidden except for a word processor, My Documents, Firefox and a stand-alone email icon. What does she need a word processor for? What does she need an email program for? Keep it simple. Set her up with Gmail. If she must print out a letter she can type it in Gmail and print from there. I would have the computer automatically launch FireFox and make the home page Gmail. Put some icons at the bookmarks toolbar for the other things she needs. Keep it simple. Anything more than that, and she will throw her hands in the air and be done. Exactly my point. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
Of course. Have the backup job write to an external drive or just manually burn a CD or DVD once per week/month. -Original Message- But don't you really need to back up to a separate device or drive, in case the entire hard drive becomes corrupted, etc.? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
At 12:18 PM 09/30/2007 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote I don't think ignorance is an acceptable defense. What if her doctor did not prescribe an important new treatment because keeping up with medical advances was too much trouble? You have a fiduciary responsibility to make the best selection for her, not for you. If I did not push her into this, she would not do it at all. I foresee a very lot of hand-holding. Better that than her spending $1200 and never using it at all. Instead of taking upon yourself the responsibility to sort out the messes why not get a computer that won't have the messes? You can then direct your efforts to the real challenge: teaching her how to use the computer. I wouldn't know how. Nor do I want to spend the necessary hours on her machine to figure it out. Considering all of this, I think she'd be safest with a cable connection behind a firewall Depends on what is more reliable in her area. I think DSL is usually more reliable. Not in this area. We're all too far from the phone co to get DSL, but we all have cable available. all desktop icons hidden except for a word processor, My Documents, Firefox and a stand-alone email icon. What does she need a word processor for? Because she likes to write. She has occasionally written articles and submitted them for publication. She has always written in longhand and had someone else type them for her. What does she need an email program for? Because she will understand that better. I don't want to have her launching a whole bunch of stuff at once. Her grown kids and grands are far away, and she will want to receive photos. I want a mail program that will detach the photos and file them, so at least I can find them. Keep it simple. Set her up with Gmail. If she must print out a letter she can type it in Gmail and print from there. I would have the computer automatically launch FireFox and make the home page Gmail. Put some icons at the bookmarks toolbar for the other things she needs. Keep it simple. That's what I plan to do. Manually launch a browser with a blank page and teach her to use bookmarks. And not confuse it with her email. With a very basic understanding of how it really works, she just might progress. By setting up magic in the beginning, she has no hope of learning. I deal with too many people like that all the time. Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
This would all be easier, not for you, but for her, on a Mac. Mason Sent from my iPhone via SiteWelder On Sep 30, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Sue Cubic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:18 PM 09/30/2007 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote I don't think ignorance is an acceptable defense. What if her doctor did not prescribe an important new treatment because keeping up with medical advances was too much trouble? You have a fiduciary responsibility to make the best selection for her, not for you. If I did not push her into this, she would not do it at all. I foresee a very lot of hand-holding. Better that than her spending $1200 and never using it at all. Instead of taking upon yourself the responsibility to sort out the messes why not get a computer that won't have the messes? You can then direct your efforts to the real challenge: teaching her how to use the computer. I wouldn't know how. Nor do I want to spend the necessary hours on her machine to figure it out. Considering all of this, I think she'd be safest with a cable connection behind a firewall Depends on what is more reliable in her area. I think DSL is usually more reliable. Not in this area. We're all too far from the phone co to get DSL, but we all have cable available. all desktop icons hidden except for a word processor, My Documents, Firefox and a stand-alone email icon. What does she need a word processor for? Because she likes to write. She has occasionally written articles and submitted them for publication. She has always written in longhand and had someone else type them for her. What does she need an email program for? Because she will understand that better. I don't want to have her launching a whole bunch of stuff at once. Her grown kids and grands are far away, and she will want to receive photos. I want a mail program that will detach the photos and file them, so at least I can find them. Keep it simple. Set her up with Gmail. If she must print out a letter she can type it in Gmail and print from there. I would have the computer automatically launch FireFox and make the home page Gmail. Put some icons at the bookmarks toolbar for the other things she needs. Keep it simple. That's what I plan to do. Manually launch a browser with a blank page and teach her to use bookmarks. And not confuse it with her email. With a very basic understanding of how it really works, she just might progress. By setting up magic in the beginning, she has no hope of learning. I deal with too many people like that all the time. Sue *** * * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: ComputerGuys-L- [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** * * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys- [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived *** * * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
You can't confuse her with email/browser if she's never done it. If she does it from the start it would be simplier, less to mess with. It would also save time if her computer ever goes down, all her stuff is online and you wouldn't have to explain to her how it's all gone or how to back up. With google docs you could put everything she needs in one place. Mike On 9/30/07, Sue Cubic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I plan to do. Manually launch a browser with a blank page and teach her to use bookmarks. And not confuse it with her email. With a very basic understanding of how it really works, she just might progress. By setting up magic in the beginning, she has no hope of learning. I deal with too many people like that all the time. Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
and probably easier for you too since you wouldn't be there pushing her and hand-holding.. Maybe you would both have time to get a new hobby. g cb On Sep 30, 2007, at 7:43 PM, Mason Miller wrote: This would all be easier, not for you, but for her, on a Mac. Mason Sent from my iPhone via SiteWelder On Sep 30, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Sue Cubic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:18 PM 09/30/2007 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote I don't think ignorance is an acceptable defense. What if her doctor did not prescribe an important new treatment because keeping up with medical advances was too much trouble? You have a fiduciary responsibility to make the best selection for her, not for you. If I did not push her into this, she would not do it at all. I foresee a very lot of hand-holding. Better that than her spending $1200 and never using it at all. Instead of taking upon yourself the responsibility to sort out the messes why not get a computer that won't have the messes? You can then direct your efforts to the real challenge: teaching her how to use the computer. I wouldn't know how. Nor do I want to spend the necessary hours on her machine to figure it out. Considering all of this, I think she'd be safest with a cable connection behind a firewall Depends on what is more reliable in her area. I think DSL is usually more reliable. Not in this area. We're all too far from the phone co to get DSL, but we all have cable available. all desktop icons hidden except for a word processor, My Documents, Firefox and a stand-alone email icon. What does she need a word processor for? Because she likes to write. She has occasionally written articles and submitted them for publication. She has always written in longhand and had someone else type them for her. What does she need an email program for? Because she will understand that better. I don't want to have her launching a whole bunch of stuff at once. Her grown kids and grands are far away, and she will want to receive photos. I want a mail program that will detach the photos and file them, so at least I can find them. Keep it simple. Set her up with Gmail. If she must print out a letter she can type it in Gmail and print from there. I would have the computer automatically launch FireFox and make the home page Gmail. Put some icons at the bookmarks toolbar for the other things she needs. Keep it simple. That's what I plan to do. Manually launch a browser with a blank page and teach her to use bookmarks. And not confuse it with her email. With a very basic understanding of how it really works, she just might progress. By setting up magic in the beginning, she has no hope of learning. I deal with too many people like that all the time. Sue * *** * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: ComputerGuys-L- [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *** * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys- [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * *** ** ** * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: ComputerGuys-L- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys- [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived ** ** * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
Definately, heaven forbid she learns to use email well and some well intentioned idiot sends her a link to a malware site taking her system down. The slight if at all aggravation of the teacher having to learn mac os a little would be easily offset by the coming problems she could face. But then I also understand the issue of cost, I couldn't bring myself to buy a mac either, but then I don't have any problems on my xp/vista boxes anyway. Mike On 9/30/07, Mason Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This would all be easier, not for you, but for her, on a Mac. Mason Sent from my iPhone via SiteWelder On Sep 30, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Sue Cubic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:18 PM 09/30/2007 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote I don't think ignorance is an acceptable defense. What if her doctor did not prescribe an important new treatment because keeping up with medical advances was too much trouble? You have a fiduciary responsibility to make the best selection for her, not for you. If I did not push her into this, she would not do it at all. I foresee a very lot of hand-holding. Better that than her spending $1200 and never using it at all. Instead of taking upon yourself the responsibility to sort out the messes why not get a computer that won't have the messes? You can then direct your efforts to the real challenge: teaching her how to use the computer. I wouldn't know how. Nor do I want to spend the necessary hours on her machine to figure it out. Considering all of this, I think she'd be safest with a cable connection behind a firewall Depends on what is more reliable in her area. I think DSL is usually more reliable. Not in this area. We're all too far from the phone co to get DSL, but we all have cable available. all desktop icons hidden except for a word processor, My Documents, Firefox and a stand-alone email icon. What does she need a word processor for? Because she likes to write. She has occasionally written articles and submitted them for publication. She has always written in longhand and had someone else type them for her. What does she need an email program for? Because she will understand that better. I don't want to have her launching a whole bunch of stuff at once. Her grown kids and grands are far away, and she will want to receive photos. I want a mail program that will detach the photos and file them, so at least I can find them. Keep it simple. Set her up with Gmail. If she must print out a letter she can type it in Gmail and print from there. I would have the computer automatically launch FireFox and make the home page Gmail. Put some icons at the bookmarks toolbar for the other things she needs. Keep it simple. That's what I plan to do. Manually launch a browser with a blank page and teach her to use bookmarks. And not confuse it with her email. With a very basic understanding of how it really works, she just might progress. By setting up magic in the beginning, she has no hope of learning. I deal with too many people like that all the time. Sue *** * * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: ComputerGuys-L- [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** * * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys- [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived *** * * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
This lady might benefit from a resource like SeniorNet. She might find a peer group. She'll learn things, maybe completely new things that will develop new interests for her to pursue. Who knows.. soon after Sue gets the PC set up the lady may go online, order a Mac, pull it out of the box, and be online in 15 minutes and doing all those cool things the Mac Guy does in the Switch commercials! Then maybe she'll join a local MUG and start doing presentations in Keynote, build a blog on day trips for the 70+ crowd, publish that book, and go on Oprah! This link says it all in a fifteen item list that seems to cover Sue's points of concern. http://www.apple.com/getamac/ cb On Sep 30, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Sue Cubic wrote: At 12:18 PM 09/30/2007 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote I don't think ignorance is an acceptable defense. What if her doctor did not prescribe an important new treatment because keeping up with medical advances was too much trouble? You have a fiduciary responsibility to make the best selection for her, not for you. If I did not push her into this, she would not do it at all. I foresee a very lot of hand-holding. Better that than her spending $1200 and never using it at all. Instead of taking upon yourself the responsibility to sort out the messes why not get a computer that won't have the messes? You can then direct your efforts to the real challenge: teaching her how to use the computer. I wouldn't know how. Nor do I want to spend the necessary hours on her machine to figure it out. Considering all of this, I think she'd be safest with a cable connection behind a firewall Depends on what is more reliable in her area. I think DSL is usually more reliable. Not in this area. We're all too far from the phone co to get DSL, but we all have cable available. all desktop icons hidden except for a word processor, My Documents, Firefox and a stand-alone email icon. What does she need a word processor for? Because she likes to write. She has occasionally written articles and submitted them for publication. She has always written in longhand and had someone else type them for her. What does she need an email program for? Because she will understand that better. I don't want to have her launching a whole bunch of stuff at once. Her grown kids and grands are far away, and she will want to receive photos. I want a mail program that will detach the photos and file them, so at least I can find them. Keep it simple. Set her up with Gmail. If she must print out a letter she can type it in Gmail and print from there. I would have the computer automatically launch FireFox and make the home page Gmail. Put some icons at the bookmarks toolbar for the other things she needs. Keep it simple. That's what I plan to do. Manually launch a browser with a blank page and teach her to use bookmarks. And not confuse it with her email. With a very basic understanding of how it really works, she just might progress. By setting up magic in the beginning, she has no hope of learning. I deal with too many people like that all the time. Sue ** ** * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: ComputerGuys-L- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys- [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived ** ** * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
OK, here's what I need to know. A friend of mine has yet to enter the computer age. She is in her early 70's, and is beginning to have some physical problems that limit her social life. I really want to try and get her into a computer soon. Do I push her a little faster, or do I just make the leap into Vista? This is an application where Windows is inappropriate. She needs a computer to use, not a computer that provides endless opportunities for tinkering. Get her a computer that is attractive, easy to use, that works right out of the box and is not prone to failure. A computer that does not need anti-virus, anti-spyware, and patches every Tuesday. Getting her a Windows computer would be a triumph of ideology over good sense (leave that to the politicians). An iMac 20 would be perfect. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
Yep, right on! - automated backup - why not?! Randall - Original Message - From: Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension] As much as I like my macmini, computers won't be completely tinker free until they come with 1)UPS 2) Internet connection 3)Automated backup. #1 is essential if you live with iffy power, (which means me even though this is southern Montgomery Co) #3 you need everywhere I guess everyone does get #2 if you include crappy dialup. - Original Message From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:46:38 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension] I could hear music playing, little apple flags waving...rows and rows of imacs standing at attention. Mike On 9/29/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting her a Windows computer would be a triumph of ideology over good sense (leave that to the politicians). An iMac 20 would be perfect. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1037 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 1:32 PM * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
At 02:41 PM 09/28/2007 -0400, b_s-wilk wrote Original Message Subject:XP Gets Life Extension Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:18:06 -0400 Customer demand has forced Microsoft to extend the shelf life of Windows XP by five months. Microsoft was scheduled to stop selling the six-year-old operating system on 30 January 2008 to leave the field clear for Vista. OK, here's what I need to know. A friend of mine has yet to enter the computer age. She is in her early 70's, and is beginning to have some physical problems that limit her social life. I really want to try and get her into a computer soon. Do I push her a little faster, or do I just make the leap into Vista? I really hate to have to change her over after just a few months. I don't know much about Vista and have no reason to change my own system right now. I hate to dump Vista on her with no real support. Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
