Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-02 Thread Fred Holmes
In order for that preference to be displayed, WP 5.1 must "see" a video card/driver that is capable of 132-column text mode. That has long since been dropped in Windows, I believe. It's one of the the things that keeps my DOS machine alive. Fred Holmes At 08:04 PM 3/2/2009, rleesimon wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-02 Thread rleesimon
I went into the prefs and saw only a variety of 80 column selections ...possibly there is a command line parameter for starting the program with your filespec ...I didn't come upon it... -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes [mailto:f...@his.com] Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:27 PM To: rle

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
>You are of course correct. Never use what works fast or quick and >dirty, when you can spend the time learning something new. And not >spend that time on enjoying life. Short term advantage vs. long term advantage. I can understand that argument. If you expect to die in the short term you s

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-02 Thread Fred Holmes
Can you switch the display into 132-column mode in the DOS box? Fred Holmes At 12:38 PM 3/2/2009, rleesimon wrote: >funny you talkabout 5.1 ...I just downloaded 5.1forDOS which is posted4free >and works perfectly on my xpSP3 machine in a dos window...now, I hafta >remember all those old keystrokes

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-02 Thread rleesimon
funny you talkabout 5.1 ...I just downloaded 5.1forDOS which is posted4free and works perfectly on my xpSP3 machine in a dos window...now, I hafta remember all those old keystrokes I usta know so well ...I loved some of it, like the ability to place the cursor anywhere and delete the rest ...great

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-02 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Tom Piwowar : But there are so many better (and even free) languages available: Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby, etc. There is no good reason to continue to use old junk. Except for a refusal to keep up with technology and I won't be supporting that. Learning new languages keeps your skills fres

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Rich Schinnell
At 07:13 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote: Date:Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:59:18 -0500 From:Tom Piwowar >They will not access a files called data12~1.xxx as the ~ mark won't >seem to work in some of the programs, Basic can read a 8.3 file with the ~ But you don't have to use a tilda. You can just use s

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Can one load Win2K or XP into a virtual machine on XP and run legacy apps >that way? Including legacy hardware such as older printers? I'm told by people who run virtual servers that this is exactly what they do when somebody insists that they can't live without something ancient. They run th

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I haven't followed this entire thread, but if the legacy application only >understands 8.3 filenames, can't one just "manually" restrict the file >naming to 8.3, I would think so, but then why would TomTom risk getting sued bt MS for something so useless.

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Fred Holmes
At 05:43 PM 3/1/2009, Tom Piwowar wrote: >I would not subscribe to any ideolofy that opposes learning, but I do >understand how the 8.3 crowd could feel that way. It really has to do with time management. My life is totally full. Even though I am "retired." Learning a new programming language

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Fred Holmes
At 01:19 PM 3/1/2009, Tom Piwowar wrote: >Question: If you use an 8.3 file name, refraining from using a longer >name, will these applications be able to access the file? In other words >do these applications need some special sauce in their filenames or will >they work if you simply refrain fro

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Fred Holmes
At 05:29 AM 3/1/2009, Rich Schinnell wrote: >Also a friend who is over 80, uses a really old word processor that requires >the 8.3 file format and only prints to a parallel connected printer. And it >does everything she wants. I have tried to bring her into the 21st century >but she resists. >

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Learning new languages entails a learning curve; you can't get the >job done faster until you have become fluent in the new language. >Admittedly, the only way to BECOME fluent is to use the damn thing. >One hand for the keyboard, and one to hold the manual. I would not subscribe to any ideolo

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 2:59 PM -0500 3/1/09, Tom Piwowar wrote: But there are so many better (and even free) languages available: Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby, etc. There is no good reason to continue to use old junk. Except for a refusal to keep up with technology and I won't be supporting that. Learning new languages

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
>They will not access a files called data12~1.xxx as the ~ mark won't >seem to work in some of the programs, Basic can read a 8.3 file with the ~ But you don't have to use a tilda. You can just use something like "thisfile.doc" and have a file that works with either system. >PS: I still use gw

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Rich Schinnell
At 01:42 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote: Date:Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:19:32 -0500 From:Tom Piwowar Subject: Re: Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu Rich said: >Of course it has not had any updates for over 5 years but I still use >it daily and back it up religiously. > >Also a fri

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Of course it has not had any updates for over 5 years but I still use >it daily and back it up religiously. > >Also a friend who is over 80, uses a really old word processor that >requires the 8.3 file format and only prints to a parallel connected >printer. And it does everything she wants. I

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Stephen Brownfield
Rich, Thanks for answering the question! Rich Schinnell wrote: From:Chris Dunford Subject: Re: Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux >In fact, yes. I have two apps that I use every day that have not been >updated in many years but still do exactly what I want with

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Rich Schinnell
From:Chris Dunford Subject: Re: Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux >In fact, yes. I have two apps that I use every day that have not been >updated in many years but still do exactly what I want with no fuss. -

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Dunford
> >In fact, yes. I have two apps that I use every day that have not been > >updated in many years but still do exactly what I want with no fuss. > > Details? Do the apps have names? If you will pardon me, based on your > past history I don't put any stock in your vague assertions. These apps > are

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-02-28 Thread Tom Piwowar
>In fact, yes. I have two apps that I use every day that have not been >updated in many years but still do exactly what I want with no fuss. Details? Do the apps have names? If you will pardon me, based on your past history I don't put any stock in your vague assertions. These apps are essential