I saw a news story or show, can't remember which now, that showed a
country, New Zealand, Iceland or someplace like that, who've determined to go
totally green when it comes to electric cars. Instead of "gas" stations they
have battery stations. The country requires that the batteries be
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Stewart Marshall <
revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> A lot of work is being done on fuel cells and better batteries. I really
> think the answers lie in that. Then no need to transport anything you have
> the power generation pack on board.
>
> You still nee
A lot of work is being done on fuel cells and better batteries. I
really think the answers lie in that. Then no need to transport
anything you have the power generation pack on board.
Stewart
At 08:33 AM 1/20/2010, you wrote:
> Add on the headaches of transporting and storing Hydrogen whic
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Art Clemons wrote:
> But if the electric car is only good for local computing, it then must be
>> (in most cases) economic as an _additional_ car, not as a replacement for a
>> car currently owned.
>>
>> Liquid fuels aren't going to go away for a long time yet.
>>
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:32 AM, t.piwowar wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Art Clemons wrote:
>
>> The truth is that we need some method of rapid charging said batteries on
>> the go. Ten minutes charging for let's say 200 minutes of driving would be
>> reasonable presently (not much long
But if the electric car is only good for local computing, it then must be (in
most cases) economic as an _additional_ car, not as a replacement for a car
currently owned.
Liquid fuels aren't going to go away for a long time yet.
Hydrogen cars have approximately the same problem, there isn't t
On Jan 19, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Art Clemons wrote:
The truth is that we need some method of rapid charging said
batteries on the go. Ten minutes charging for let's say 200 minutes
of driving would be reasonable presently (not much longer than
filling up with gasoline), but we as a nation don't
We have many problems that re not going to go away right away.
Part of the reasons is that we have built infrastructures that are
quite costly, and took time to develop.
Most of the off the grid power generation methods developed up to
today are stand alone.
20+ years ago one of my members
At 08:36 PM 1/19/2010, Art Clemons wrote:
>The truth is that we need some method of rapid charging said batteries on the
>go. Ten minutes charging for let's say 200 minutes of driving would be
>reasonable presently (not much longer than filling up with gasoline), but we
>as a nation don't have
The Peugeot 888 by Oskar Johansen in the 2009 Peugeot Design Contest is a
small electric car that converts from small and high to larger and low
depending on whether it's in the city or suburbs. It has solar panels on the
roof to recharge the batteries. Batteries are getting smaller while PV p
I thinK this is a good time for some creative thinking about energy. As we
change how we get and manage portable energy many old assumptions will need to
be reexamined. If our cars start to run on big battery packs we need to
consider how those get charged...
The Peugeot 888 by Oskar Johanse
A number of technologies have to improve, and some old line models
must be terminated for this to occur.
I know presently Energy companies (read power distribution) are very
large and hold a huge influence.
This would break their monopoly. Also the technology of batteries
will need to impro
I thinK this is a good time for some creative thinking about energy.
As we change how we get and manage portable energy many old
assumptions will need to be reexamined. If our cars start to run on
big battery packs we need to consider how those get charged. The
conventional idea is to plug
This is after a few battery changes and upgrades.
Stewart
At 12:01 AM 1/17/2010, betty wrote:
Garden lights have cheap, usually poorly made, solar cells. If you
bought them more than a year or two ago, they have NiCad
batteries--cheap ones that are less than 500 milliamps, and low
quality. T
Battery alone will never work.
Just tonight I went outside to take my son to work, and my garden lights were
not
working. It has been overcast all day long and raining so they did not get a
charge.
Now I know that the solar panels on them are small and not high quality but
extrapolate
that ou
So I extrapolate that it will run an average US house for about 6 hours.
I'm not sure about real time frames. Japan is fourth on the list of
energy usage per individual. From what I can figure, that would allow
the typical US household slightly more than six days.
**
True but how many folks (percentage of the population) live in a
naturally sunny place?
The problem with any one size fits all technology is that it fits
some well, and either looks like high water pants and a crop top on others.
Multiple ideas need to be developed and used.
Stewart
At 08
Ah, but this depends on location. If you lived say, in the southwest
desert around Las Vegas you probably wouldn't complain.
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
wrote:
> Battery alone will never work.
>
> Just tonight I went outside to take my son to work, and my garden lights
Battery alone will never work.
Just tonight I went outside to take my son to work, and my garden
lights were not working. It has been overcast all day long and
raining so they did not get a charge. Now I know that the solar
panels on them are small and not high quality but extrapolate that
I dunno. Again, we're talking a question of size, and none of these
articles can begin to guess. One article used the word "massive", but
that's probably a guess. Certainly if it's as big as a lithium car
battery, you would need a lift to move it around.
>> Actually the Gizmodo article reference
On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Art Clemons wrote:
Actually the Gizmodo article references an article on Physorg. The
battery is supposed to supply an average Japanese house.
So I extrapolate that it will run an average US house for about 6 hours.
**
Tony B:
Yet another example of really bad reporting. The only reference it
gives is a click through to a Gizmodo story that actually words it
MUCH differently. Instead of telling us Panasonic is "launching" this
battery, Gizmodo tells us they are only now launching a "joint venture
aimed at *deve
Yet another example of really bad reporting. The only reference it
gives is a click through to a Gizmodo story that actually words it
MUCH differently. Instead of telling us Panasonic is "launching" this
battery, Gizmodo tells us they are only now launching a "joint venture
aimed at *developing* a
Panasonic’s new home battery could store a week’s-worth of electricity
http://green.venturebeat.com/2009/12/24/panasonics-new-home-battery-could-store-a-weeks-worth-of-electricity/
"This is significant for two reasons. First, if home batteries like
this one become commonplace, renewable sources
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