Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-24 Thread Jeff Miles
I saw a news story or show, can't remember which now, that showed a country, New Zealand, Iceland or someplace like that, who've determined to go totally green when it comes to electric cars. Instead of "gas" stations they have battery stations. The country requires that the batteries be

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-21 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > A lot of work is being done on fuel cells and better batteries. I really > think the answers lie in that. Then no need to transport anything you have > the power generation pack on board. > > You still nee

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-20 Thread Stewart Marshall
A lot of work is being done on fuel cells and better batteries. I really think the answers lie in that. Then no need to transport anything you have the power generation pack on board. Stewart At 08:33 AM 1/20/2010, you wrote: > Add on the headaches of transporting and storing Hydrogen whic

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-20 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Art Clemons wrote: > But if the electric car is only good for local computing, it then must be >> (in most cases) economic as an _additional_ car, not as a replacement for a >> car currently owned. >> >> Liquid fuels aren't going to go away for a long time yet. >>

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-20 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:32 AM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Jan 19, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Art Clemons wrote: > >> The truth is that we need some method of rapid charging said batteries on >> the go. Ten minutes charging for let's say 200 minutes of driving would be >> reasonable presently (not much long

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-20 Thread Art Clemons
But if the electric car is only good for local computing, it then must be (in most cases) economic as an _additional_ car, not as a replacement for a car currently owned. Liquid fuels aren't going to go away for a long time yet. Hydrogen cars have approximately the same problem, there isn't t

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-19 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 19, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Art Clemons wrote: The truth is that we need some method of rapid charging said batteries on the go. Ten minutes charging for let's say 200 minutes of driving would be reasonable presently (not much longer than filling up with gasoline), but we as a nation don't

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-19 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
We have many problems that re not going to go away right away. Part of the reasons is that we have built infrastructures that are quite costly, and took time to develop. Most of the off the grid power generation methods developed up to today are stand alone. 20+ years ago one of my members

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-19 Thread Fred Holmes
At 08:36 PM 1/19/2010, Art Clemons wrote: >The truth is that we need some method of rapid charging said batteries on the >go. Ten minutes charging for let's say 200 minutes of driving would be >reasonable presently (not much longer than filling up with gasoline), but we >as a nation don't have

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-19 Thread Art Clemons
The Peugeot 888 by Oskar Johansen in the 2009 Peugeot Design Contest is a small electric car that converts from small and high to larger and low depending on whether it's in the city or suburbs. It has solar panels on the roof to recharge the batteries. Batteries are getting smaller while PV p

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-19 Thread b_s-wilk
I thinK this is a good time for some creative thinking about energy. As we change how we get and manage portable energy many old assumptions will need to be reexamined. If our cars start to run on big battery packs we need to consider how those get charged... The Peugeot 888 by Oskar Johanse

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
A number of technologies have to improve, and some old line models must be terminated for this to occur. I know presently Energy companies (read power distribution) are very large and hold a huge influence. This would break their monopoly. Also the technology of batteries will need to impro

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-17 Thread tjpa
I thinK this is a good time for some creative thinking about energy. As we change how we get and manage portable energy many old assumptions will need to be reexamined. If our cars start to run on big battery packs we need to consider how those get charged. The conventional idea is to plug

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
This is after a few battery changes and upgrades. Stewart At 12:01 AM 1/17/2010, betty wrote: Garden lights have cheap, usually poorly made, solar cells. If you bought them more than a year or two ago, they have NiCad batteries--cheap ones that are less than 500 milliamps, and low quality. T

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-16 Thread betty
Battery alone will never work. Just tonight I went outside to take my son to work, and my garden lights were not working. It has been overcast all day long and raining so they did not get a charge. Now I know that the solar panels on them are small and not high quality but extrapolate that ou

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-16 Thread Art Clemons
So I extrapolate that it will run an average US house for about 6 hours. I'm not sure about real time frames. Japan is fourth on the list of energy usage per individual. From what I can figure, that would allow the typical US household slightly more than six days. **

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
True but how many folks (percentage of the population) live in a naturally sunny place? The problem with any one size fits all technology is that it fits some well, and either looks like high water pants and a crop top on others. Multiple ideas need to be developed and used. Stewart At 08

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-16 Thread Tony B
Ah, but this depends on location. If you lived say, in the southwest desert around Las Vegas you probably wouldn't complain. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > Battery alone will never work. > > Just tonight I went outside to take my son to work, and my garden lights

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Battery alone will never work. Just tonight I went outside to take my son to work, and my garden lights were not working. It has been overcast all day long and raining so they did not get a charge. Now I know that the solar panels on them are small and not high quality but extrapolate that

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-16 Thread Tony B
I dunno. Again, we're talking a question of size, and none of these articles can begin to guess. One article used the word "massive", but that's probably a guess. Certainly if it's as big as a lithium car battery, you would need a lift to move it around. >> Actually the Gizmodo article reference

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-16 Thread tjpa
On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Art Clemons wrote: Actually the Gizmodo article references an article on Physorg. The battery is supposed to supply an average Japanese house. So I extrapolate that it will run an average US house for about 6 hours. **

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-16 Thread Art Clemons
Tony B: Yet another example of really bad reporting. The only reference it gives is a click through to a Gizmodo story that actually words it MUCH differently. Instead of telling us Panasonic is "launching" this battery, Gizmodo tells us they are only now launching a "joint venture aimed at *deve

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-16 Thread Tony B
Yet another example of really bad reporting. The only reference it gives is a click through to a Gizmodo story that actually words it MUCH differently. Instead of telling us Panasonic is "launching" this battery, Gizmodo tells us they are only now launching a "joint venture aimed at *developing* a

[CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-15 Thread t.piwowar
Panasonic’s new home battery could store a week’s-worth of electricity http://green.venturebeat.com/2009/12/24/panasonics-new-home-battery-could-store-a-weeks-worth-of-electricity/ "This is significant for two reasons. First, if home batteries like this one become commonplace, renewable sources