Re: [CGUYS] Google: evil, indifferent or disorganized?

[mike]

Windows almost never let you upgrade the OS on your phone, of course the
updates were very few and very far between.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:52 AM, John Duncan Yoyo
wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:46 AM, mike  wrote:
>
> > This could be google's big weakness...a fragmented os distribution.  We
> are
> > going to have phones floating around with 1.5, 1.62.0 etc.  Some with
> > multitouch, some not...although all of them are capable.  I know sprint
> is
> > going to offer the 2.1 update when it's cooked, but will verizon?  Who
> > knows.
> >
> > I've got an upgrade due me from VZ and I am just waiting to see if the
> Droid keeps current.  I think that this has been a problem with Windows
> Mobile all along with so many different configs out there.
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Re: [CGUYS] Google: evil, indifferent or disorganized?

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:46 AM, mike  wrote:

> This could be google's big weakness...a fragmented os distribution.  We are
> going to have phones floating around with 1.5, 1.62.0 etc.  Some with
> multitouch, some not...although all of them are capable.  I know sprint is
> going to offer the 2.1 update when it's cooked, but will verizon?  Who
> knows.
>
> I've got an upgrade due me from VZ and I am just waiting to see if the
Droid keeps current.  I think that this has been a problem with Windows
Mobile all along with so many different configs out there.

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Re: [CGUYS] Google: evil, indifferent or disorganized?

[mike]

This could be google's big weakness...a fragmented os distribution.  We are
going to have phones floating around with 1.5, 1.62.0 etc.  Some with
multitouch, some not...although all of them are capable.  I know sprint is
going to offer the 2.1 update when it's cooked, but will verizon?  Who
knows.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:18 AM, John Duncan Yoyo
wrote:

> This week google shipped multi-touch for 2.1.1 OS which is on the Nexxus 1.
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:56 PM, John Duncan Yoyo
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:39 PM, t.piwowar  wrote:
> >
> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, David K Watson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Also, because of the many Android OS versions and hardware
> >>> models, there is no guarantee that any particular Android app will work
> >>> on
> >>> any given Android phone.  People like choice, sure, but they also need
> a
> >>> degree of certainty to base their choices on.
> >>>
> >>
> >> You must consider that Google is new to consumer hardware and Apple has
> >> had decades of experience in this arena. Google is going to have to
> learn
> >> many important lessons via the school of hard knocks.
> >>
> >> The story I heard on one of the Twit shows this was Apple asked Google
> not
> > to enable multi-touch on the Droid.  Apple believed it's patent was weak
> on
> > multitouch and they did't believe it would survive a challenge.  That
> > doesn't make tons of sense but but lots of patent law applied to software
> > doesn't.  In addition there are multi touch capabilities in the Android
> OS-
> > the shift key for one.
> >
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Re: [CGUYS] Google: evil, indifferent or disorganized?

[John Duncan Yoyo]

This week google shipped multi-touch for 2.1.1 OS which is on the Nexxus 1.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:56 PM, John Duncan Yoyo
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:39 PM, t.piwowar  wrote:
>
>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, David K Watson wrote:
>>
>>> Also, because of the many Android OS versions and hardware
>>> models, there is no guarantee that any particular Android app will work
>>> on
>>> any given Android phone.  People like choice, sure, but they also need a
>>> degree of certainty to base their choices on.
>>>
>>
>> You must consider that Google is new to consumer hardware and Apple has
>> had decades of experience in this arena. Google is going to have to learn
>> many important lessons via the school of hard knocks.
>>
>> The story I heard on one of the Twit shows this was Apple asked Google not
> to enable multi-touch on the Droid.  Apple believed it's patent was weak on
> multitouch and they did't believe it would survive a challenge.  That
> doesn't make tons of sense but but lots of patent law applied to software
> doesn't.  In addition there are multi touch capabilities in the Android OS-
> the shift key for one.
>
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Google: evil, indifferent or disorganized?

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:39 PM, t.piwowar  wrote:

> On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, David K Watson wrote:
>
>> Also, because of the many Android OS versions and hardware
>> models, there is no guarantee that any particular Android app will work on
>> any given Android phone.  People like choice, sure, but they also need a
>> degree of certainty to base their choices on.
>>
>
> You must consider that Google is new to consumer hardware and Apple has had
> decades of experience in this arena. Google is going to have to learn many
> important lessons via the school of hard knocks.
>
> The story I heard on one of the Twit shows this was Apple asked Google not
to enable multi-touch on the Droid.  Apple believed it's patent was weak on
multitouch and they did't believe it would survive a challenge.  That
doesn't make tons of sense but but lots of patent law applied to software
doesn't.  In addition there are multi touch capabilities in the Android OS-
the shift key for one.


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Re: [CGUYS] Google: evil, indifferent or disorganized?

[t.piwowar]

On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, David K Watson wrote:

Also, because of the many Android OS versions and hardware
models, there is no guarantee that any particular Android app will  
work on
any given Android phone.  People like choice, sure, but they also  
need a

degree of certainty to base their choices on.


You must consider that Google is new to consumer hardware and Apple  
has had decades of experience in this arena. Google is going to have  
to learn many important lessons via the school of hard knocks.



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[CGUYS] Google: evil, indifferent or disorganized?

[David K Watson]

While I enjoy all the discussion about an Apple product that isn't 
even shipping yet, maybe we should open up the discussion up 
a little.  



"Hey, Google! Why No Multitouch for the Droid?"

Only Google's own Nexus One is getting multitouch, Droid customers 
are out of luck, at least so far.  Google says that the Droid doesn't have 
the horsepower for multitouch, despite the fact that the european version 
of the droid (the Milestone) and other less powerful handsets already have 
multitouch.  

We've been arguing over whether Apple is too controlling, whether its 
devices are too lacking in ports/features, etc., but because Google 
apparently doesn't exercise much control over Android, basic hardware 
features can go unsupported indefinitely.  (Of course, they can for Apple 
too, like the bluetooth capabilities in the Touch that weren't turned on 
for a while).  Also, because of the many Android OS versions and hardware 
models, there is no guarantee that any particular Android app will work on 
any given Android phone.  People like choice, sure, but they also need a 
degree of certainty to base their choices on.  


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