Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
Good lord, Spybot put ten thousand entries in your hosts file? Have you noticed any effect on performance? Advice on hosts files has always been to keep them short. They are a throwback to the early days of the 'net and processing has not been efficient. If Vista does not degrade under this condition it would be intereting (and maybe useful) to know. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
Not that I can tell. Of course, with caching and things these days it would be difficult to test. When I was researching the problem I found an issue with a past version of Windows that was crippled with a long hosts file, but MS quickly fixed the problem. And, since the primary vector for malware is now web surfing, it's more important than ever to keep people from visiting known malware sites. Although with blocks like Firefox is putting up anyway, the hosts immunization may not be as important. On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are only 6 of them (out of some 10,000), and checking one shows it later in the list twice Good lord, Spybot put ten thousand entries in your hosts file? Have you noticed any effect on performance? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
I'm not a Vista user so I don't get so metaphysical about how my computer operates. I don't accept maybes. It either works or it doesn't work. Anyone who cares to can re-read my message and satisfy themselves that this is a complete misrepresentation of what I said. The maybes were there to emphasize that neither you nor I know what happened, period. If the OS requires AV software and the AV software causes problems isn't the fundamental problem that the OS requires AV software? Totally irrelevant to your point, which was that Vista's IPv6 support was deficient. You can create as thick a smokescreen as you want, but you had no basis for saying that, and you still don't. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
Anyone who cares to can re-read my message and satisfy themselves that this is a complete misrepresentation of what I said. The maybes were there to emphasize that neither you nor I know what happened, period. MAYBE it is a complete misrepresentation of what you said. I still think you are laying down a protective smokescreen to protect Vista. Can one of our poor Vista unfortunates please run the ping test in Safe Mode so we can rule out evil third-party software's attempts to make Vista look bad? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
Since you admitted you don't run Vista, do you base your opinions of it on anything or just whim? On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAYBE it is a complete misrepresentation of what you said. I still think you are laying down a protective smokescreen to protect Vista. Can one of our poor Vista unfortunates please run the ping test in Safe Mode so we can rule out evil third-party software's attempts to make Vista look bad? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
I gotta love your never say die attitude, never let facts cloud your vision, never let opinions of those who actually know what they are talking about get in the way of your beliefs. Your steadfastness is amazing. The ball has been in your court for quite a while now. Why won't you edit your hosts file and run the ping test on your copy of Vista? My Mac runs just fine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
Can one of our poor Vista unfortunates please run the ping test in Safe Mode so we can rule out evil third-party software's attempts to make Vista look bad? There's no point to this. I already said that I pinged in -normal- mode and it was fine. I did exactly what Tony said he did, and there was no problem. That, coupled with the absence of similar reports from anyone that I could find, is exactly what makes me say that you have no basis for blaming Vista's IPv6 support. Now: you wanted us to rule out third party software by running the ping test in safe mode. Therefore, the successful ping test (in normal mode, no less) means that third party software is -not- ruled out, and you -cannot- automatically blame Vista. That follows directly from your own logic. I still think you are laying down a protective smokescreen to protect Vista. If you must. The only problem is, I have some facts, and you have none. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
I _thought_ I was very specific. Friday afternoon I noticed ALL the entries in the hosts file were pinging their sites, though they _should_ all have been redirected to localhost. I removed the ::1 line and they all started correctly pinging localhost. The next day I added the ::1 line back and it's still working correctly, with them all pinging localhost. It seems to be a transient error and you guys should stop arguing about inadequacies in Vista. Except I still wonder how many people are 'immunized' by apps like Spybot, but all the entries are being ignored? I only noticed mine because I'm a nerd. :) The ping response will indicate the IP address of the responder so there should be no ambiguity. Do you really think he is such a noob as to not read the screen? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
I didn't start this thread, all my computers are running fine. On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gotta love your never say die attitude, never let facts cloud your vision, never let opinions of those who actually know what they are talking about get in the way of your beliefs. Your steadfastness is amazing. The ball has been in your court for quite a while now. Why won't you edit your hosts file and run the ping test on your copy of Vista? My Mac runs just fine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
There are only 6 of them (out of some 10,000), and checking one shows it later in the list twice Good lord, Spybot put ten thousand entries in your hosts file? Have you noticed any effect on performance? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
::1 is the IPv6 equivalent to 127.0.0.1, always the local machine. Uh-oh. I wonder if this could be trouble in the future? But what the heck am I supposed to do except delete it? And doesn't anyone else have this in their Vista hosts file? Yes, I have it, and my hosts works fine. I suspect that if you leave ::1 in and explicitly use 127.0.0.1 it will work: 127.0.0.1 www.yahoo.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
That's the line I had added yesterday as a test. But in fact, none of the 10,000 Spybot entries before it were redirecting to ::1 properly either. So what's the point of trying to add ::1 back? Paranoia? Maybe. But in fact, after adding it back just now, the hosts file is still working perfectly! WTF On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ::1 is the IPv6 equivalent to 127.0.0.1, always the local machine. Uh-oh. I wonder if this could be trouble in the future? But what the heck am I supposed to do except delete it? And doesn't anyone else have this in their Vista hosts file? Yes, I have it, and my hosts works fine. I suspect that if you leave ::1 in and explicitly use 127.0.0.1 it will work: 127.0.0.1 www.yahoo.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
So what's the point of trying to add ::1 back? Paranoia? Maybe. But in fact, after adding it back just now, the hosts file is still working perfectly! WTF I don't have the answers to these questions, not really being an expert in this area. Hopefully someone else who knows more about it will. But here's a question: did you close and restart your browser after making changes? Most (all?) of the browsers only process the hosts file at startup. You probably did, but it's the possibility that bubbles to the top of the list for me. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
I occasionally tried rebooting/logging out/restarting Firefox/ after each change. But really I was using a CLI to ping them. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what's the point of trying to add ::1 back? Paranoia? Maybe. But in fact, after adding it back just now, the hosts file is still working perfectly! WTF I don't have the answers to these questions, not really being an expert in this area. Hopefully someone else who knows more about it will. But here's a question: did you close and restart your browser after making changes? Most (all?) of the browsers only process the hosts file at startup. You probably did, but it's the possibility that bubbles to the top of the list for me. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
::1 is the IPv6 equivalent to 127.0.0.1, always the local machine. Does this mean the Vista's IPv6 implementation leaves something to be desired? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
::1 is the IPv6 equivalent to 127.0.0.1, always the local machine. Does this mean the Vista's IPv6 implementation leaves something to be desired? Does -what- mean that Vista's IPv6 implementation leaves something to be desired? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
No, Tom was just taking a potshot at vista from nowhere at all, not basing it on anything actually concrete. You know...completely unlike him. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: ::1 is the IPv6 equivalent to 127.0.0.1, always the local machine. Does this mean the Vista's IPv6 implementation leaves something to be desired? Does -what- mean that Vista's IPv6 implementation leaves something to be desired? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: ::1 is the IPv6 equivalent to 127.0.0.1, always the local machine. Does this mean the Vista's IPv6 implementation leaves something to be desired? Does -what- mean that Vista's IPv6 implementation leaves something to be desired? If having IPv6 addresses in the hosts file causes problems (at least sometimes) in Vista, it implies that you have to be careful with IPv6 in Vista. Just having localhost in your hosts file should not cause any problems. So it seems like this is one of those times where there is probably some bug in Vista related to IPv6 - one of those that may be hard to duplicate. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500ref=mf * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
If having IPv6 addresses in the hosts file causes problems (at least sometimes) in Vista, it implies that you have to be careful with IPv6 in Vista. Just having localhost in your hosts file should not cause any problems. So it seems like this is one of those times where there is probably some bug in Vista related to IPv6 - one of those that may be hard to duplicate. No, it doesn't imply that at all. It could just as easily be in Firefox, in something else (like AV software) that's conflicting, or who knows what. There's no reason to simply ASSUME that it's a Vista bug. If I had a dollar for every Windows bug that was actually a problem in client software, a driver, router firmware, etc. etc. etc., I'd be a lot less worried about my 401(k). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
I fruitlessly searched high and low for a solution when I was working on it and couldn't find anything, so it's certainly not a _common_ bug. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no reason to simply ASSUME that it's a Vista bug. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
No, Tom was just taking a potshot at vista from nowhere at all, not basing it on anything actually concrete. You know...completely unlike him. Tom is not allowsed to ask questions that conflict with WFB ideology. We all know that Windows is double plus good with no doubts allowed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
No, it doesn't imply that at all. It could just as easily be in Firefox, in something else (like AV software) that's conflicting, or who knows what. There's no reason to simply ASSUME that it's a Vista bug... Since the addressability was tested using ping from the command line, casting blame on FireFox or something else is a bit of a stretch. Of course, no stretch is too far a stretch for a loyal Vista proponent. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
Since the addressability was tested using ping from the command line, casting blame on FireFox or something else is a bit of a stretch. Right, Tom, the only thing is that, given the information that Tony provided, the pingback doesn't prove anything one way or the other because we don't know where the response came from--he didn't say. Maybe it was from localhost and he just didn't notice it, which would indicate that Vista -was- working right and that the problem -was- somewhere else. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't, but you don't really know, do you? And even if it -did- ping the real yahoo server, that only exonerates Firefox. Your bland assertion to the contrary notwithstanding, it absolutely -could- be something else, like AV software that's running all the time and has its nasty tendrils stuck into every crevice of the OS. You are simply assuming that the problem is Vista's, but there is not sufficient evidence. It might be, it might not be. I don't know, and neither do you--but one thing we DO know that he couldn't find any similar reports. If you had a different mindset, you just might consider that to be some evidence that it's -not- a Vista issue. We all know that Windows is double plus good with no doubts allowed. That is a very silly thing to say. No one here ever said anything remotely like that. There are plenty of problems with Windows. It's just that you have nothing to back up your assumption that this is one of them. You simply imply that it is (the same kind of implication that the Church Lady uses in Could it be, oh, I don't know, ... SATAN?) and I guess that is supposed to be that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
There was a thread on Mac-L a while back where people were having some slow internet response times that were fixed by disabling the Configure IPv6 in the Network control panel of Mac OS X from Automatically to Off. Does this mean the OS X's IPv6 implementation leaves something to be desired? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: There was a thread on Mac-L a while back where people were having some slow internet response times that were fixed by disabling the Configure IPv6 in the Network control panel of Mac OS X from Automatically to Off. Does this mean the OS X's IPv6 implementation leaves something to be desired? Probably. My guess it is similar to the problems various Linux versions had as well. It turns out that having IPv4 and IPv6 coexist together is tougher in practice than most people thought. I expect Vista will figure it out soon. I know a year or so ago, it was a reasonably big problem for Linux. So I expect that Vista is just 6 months to a year behind OS X and Linux in working out the IPv6 coexisting with IPv4 issues. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500ref=mf * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, John DeCarlo wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: There was a thread on Mac-L a while back where people were having some slow internet response times that were fixed by disabling the Configure IPv6 in the Network control panel of Mac OS X from Automatically to Off. Does this mean the OS X's IPv6 implementation leaves something to be desired? Probably. My guess it is similar to the problems various Linux versions had as well. It turns out that having IPv4 and IPv6 coexist together is tougher in practice than most people thought. I expect Vista will figure it out soon. I know a year or so ago, it was a reasonably big problem for Linux. So I expect that Vista is just 6 months to a year behind OS X and Linux in working out the IPv6 coexisting with IPv4 issues. Hi John, I think you hit the nail on the head. There's nothing in a hostname that tells you whether it's supposed to be an IPv4 address or IPv6. Firefox is first trying to do a lookup via IPv6. That will fail immediately if your OS is configured to not do IPv6 (as described above for Mac OS). Here's a link with a way to disable IPv6 in just Firefox... http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2005-08/0939.html -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
Why is WinVista ignoring my hosts file? As a test I've added www.yahoo.com to the end (behind all the Spybot entries), but despite reboots and disabling the DNS service, I can still ping and browse to the site. I can also ping the sites entered by Spybot. TIA Vista Home Premium SP1 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
NM. I finally stumbled blindly into the solution. If you can describe today's last 6 hours as a blind stumble. :) My hosts file at noon today when I started: --- 127.0.0.1 localhost ::1 localhost # Start of entries inserted by Spybot - Search Destroy 127.0.0.1 .archivioadulti.com ... --- Eventually, I finally tried pinging just localhost which _should_ have pinged 127.0.0.1. Instead, it tried to ping ::1. That was just too odd to bear, so I tried deleting the ::1 localhost line, and that seems to have solved the problem. I doubt I will ever know where that line came from. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is WinVista ignoring my hosts file? As a test I've added www.yahoo.com to the end (behind all the Spybot entries), but despite reboots and disabling the DNS service, I can still ping and browse to the site. I can also ping the sites entered by Spybot. TIA Vista Home Premium SP1 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
On Fri, 5 Dec 2008, Tony B wrote: NM. I finally stumbled blindly into the solution. If you can describe today's last 6 hours as a blind stumble. :) My hosts file at noon today when I started: --- 127.0.0.1 localhost ::1 localhost # Start of entries inserted by Spybot - Search Destroy 127.0.0.1 .archivioadulti.com ... --- Eventually, I finally tried pinging just localhost which _should_ have pinged 127.0.0.1. Instead, it tried to ping ::1. That was just too odd to bear, so I tried deleting the ::1 localhost line, and that seems to have solved the problem. I doubt I will ever know where that line came from. ::1 is the IPv6 equivalent to 127.0.0.1, always the local machine. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is WinVista ignoring my hosts file? As a test I've added www.yahoo.com to the end (behind all the Spybot entries), but despite reboots and disabling the DNS service, I can still ping and browse to the site. I can also ping the sites entered by Spybot. TIA Vista Home Premium SP1 -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Hosts file query
Uh-oh. I wonder if this could be trouble in the future? But what the heck am I supposed to do except delete it? And doesn't anyone else have this in their Vista hosts file? On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Vicky Staubly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ::1 is the IPv6 equivalent to 127.0.0.1, always the local machine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
