Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

I tried my slipstreamed WinXP Pro today and it worked. Nlite had no
problem allowing me to choose the correct SATA drivers from the
package I downloaded. Unlike Windows setup.

Alas, there was no increase in speed, and possibly a decrease. In
fact, now that I've reinstalled an image from Friday I'm getting
identical speeds (30/30) on PATA. I'm sorry I forgot to check if hot
swapping eSata worked (it doesn't in PATA, of course).

Oh well, it was an important learning experience.


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[mike]

Nlite is a fantastic program...used it many times myself.   And it's free.

Mike

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, I'd read the wikipedia entry. All Intel seems to be saying is
> that, even though they give you three choices, you should only pick
> one of two. i.e., "Install RAID Drivers" doesn't mean you necessarily
> want a RAID, and it'll work fine if you don't set one up.
>
> Like everything else, it's clear as mud. Why don't they just eliminate
> the "AHCI Drivers only" option then? Or put that GD paragraph on the
> GD screen somewhere along with the choices?
>
> Anyway. Poking around this afternoon here
> (
> http://www.msfn.org/board/Integration-of-Intel-Sata-and-Raid-drive-t107504.html
> )
> I discovered Nlite (http://www.nliteos.com/). Nlite is a darn nice GUI
> app for slipstreaming Windows. No more esoteric command line stuff,
> just point and click. So I now have an .iso with SP3 and that last set
> of SATA drivers. I can't wait to try it. Well, maybe I can. :)
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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

Yes, I'd read the wikipedia entry. All Intel seems to be saying is
that, even though they give you three choices, you should only pick
one of two. i.e., "Install RAID Drivers" doesn't mean you necessarily
want a RAID, and it'll work fine if you don't set one up.

Like everything else, it's clear as mud. Why don't they just eliminate
the "AHCI Drivers only" option then? Or put that GD paragraph on the
GD screen somewhere along with the choices?

Anyway. Poking around this afternoon here
(http://www.msfn.org/board/Integration-of-Intel-Sata-and-Raid-drive-t107504.html)
I discovered Nlite (http://www.nliteos.com/). Nlite is a darn nice GUI
app for slipstreaming Windows. No more esoteric command line stuff,
just point and click. So I now have an .iso with SP3 and that last set
of SATA drivers. I can't wait to try it. Well, maybe I can. :)


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Jeff Wright]

Bah!  Didn't see your message until after I sent mine.  Sorry for the
duplicate info...

> -Original Message-
> From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:COMPUTERGUYS-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike
> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:21 PM
> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
> Subject: Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA
> 
> Many SATA controllers can enable AHCI either separately or in
> conjunction
> with RAID <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID> support. Intel recommends
> choosing RAID mode on their
> motherboards<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motherboard>(which also
> enables AHCI) rather than the plain AHCI/SATA mode for maximum
> flexibility, due to the issues caused when the mode is switched once an
> operating system has already been installed
> 
> 
>- Enabling AHCI in a system BIOS <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS>
> will
>cause a 0x7B Blue Screen of
> Death<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death>STOP error (
>*INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE*) on installations of Windows
> XP<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP>where AHCI/RAID drivers for
> that system's chipset are not installed.
>Switching to AHCI mode requires installing new drivers before
> changing the
>BIOS settings.
>- For Intel chipsets (for example, Intel
> ICH9<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I/O_Controller_Hub#ICH9>)
>drivers are available from either an OEM board or computer
> manufacturer. For
>the Intel versions, the driver must be loaded before loading the OS
> (by
>pressing F6 as setup starts).The Intel drivers will work for both XP
> and
>Vista. Also, in the case of ICH9, an unsupported method to enable
> AHCI on
>ICH9 <http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=109450> is
> available.
>- When attempting to install Microsoft Windows XP or a previous
> version
>on an AHCI-enabled system will cause the setup to fail with the
> error
>message "set up could not detect hard disk drive...". This problem
> can only
>be corrected by either using a floppy
> disk<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk>with the appropriate
> drivers, by
>slipstreaming
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slipstream_%28computing%29>the
> appropriate drivers into the Windows XP installation CD or by turning
> on
>IDE
> emulation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#Advanced_Host_Control
> ler_Interface>in
> the BIOS settings if available.
>- Enabling AHCI in a system BIOS with Windows
> Vista<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista>already installed
> will result in a
>BSoD <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death> if SATA has
> been
>running in IDE mode during Vista's installation. Before enabling
> AHCI in the
>BIOS, users must first follow the instructions found at Microsoft
>Knowledge Base article 922976
> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976>.
>- Enabling AHCI in a system BIOS on installations of Windows XP or
>Windows Vista will cause SATA Optical drives to disappear. A Hotfix
> for
>Windows Vista is available under the title: "SATA optical drives are
> not
>available after you start a Windows Vista-based computer.
> 
> 
> 
> That's from wiki.  I've never used AHCI myself..perhaps the whole
> article
> might shed light?
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface
> 
> 
> MIke
> 
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Yes, just today, although I really don't want RAID, just AHCI. Setup
> > stops saying it can't find any hard drives (bios shows them okay). It
> > really shouldn't be this difficult for a mainstream board like Intel.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > Good luck with Intel tech support. It's taken me months to get a
> solution
> > > for warranty support from them.  It's a slow motion ballet of email
> > > messages.
> > >
> > > I gotta say tho', this is really odd.  I've installed XP with SATA
> drives
> > on
> > > probably a dozen different chipsets and never run into this in a
> non-RAID
> > > environment.
> > >
> > > Have you tried the RAID driver?  I don't recall seeing that in the
> > thread.


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Jeff Wright]

Interesting side note

" Many SATA controllers can enable AHCI either separately or in conjunction
with RAID support. Intel recommends choosing RAID mode on their motherboards
(which also enables AHCI) rather than the plain AHCI/SATA mode for maximum
flexibility, due to the issues caused when the mode is switched once an
operating system has already been installed.[2]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface

> -Original Message-
> Yes, just today, although I really don't want RAID, just AHCI. Setup
> stops saying it can't find any hard drives (bios shows them okay). It
> really shouldn't be this difficult for a mainstream board like Intel.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Good luck with Intel tech support. It's taken me months to get a
> solution
> > for warranty support from them.  It's a slow motion ballet of email
> > messages.
> >
> > I gotta say tho', this is really odd.  I've installed XP with SATA
> drives on
> > probably a dozen different chipsets and never run into this in a non-
> RAID
> > environment.
> >
> > Have you tried the RAID driver?  I don't recall seeing that in the
> thread.


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[mike]

Many SATA controllers can enable AHCI either separately or in conjunction
with RAID  support. Intel recommends
choosing RAID mode on their
motherboards(which also
enables AHCI) rather than the plain AHCI/SATA mode for maximum
flexibility, due to the issues caused when the mode is switched once an
operating system has already been installed


   - Enabling AHCI in a system BIOS  will
   cause a 0x7B Blue Screen of
DeathSTOP error (
   *INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE*) on installations of Windows
XPwhere AHCI/RAID drivers for
that system's chipset are not installed.
   Switching to AHCI mode requires installing new drivers before changing the
   BIOS settings.
   - For Intel chipsets (for example, Intel
ICH9)
   drivers are available from either an OEM board or computer manufacturer. For
   the Intel versions, the driver must be loaded before loading the OS (by
   pressing F6 as setup starts).The Intel drivers will work for both XP and
   Vista. Also, in the case of ICH9, an unsupported method to enable AHCI on
   ICH9  is available.
   - When attempting to install Microsoft Windows XP or a previous version
   on an AHCI-enabled system will cause the setup to fail with the error
   message "set up could not detect hard disk drive...". This problem can only
   be corrected by either using a floppy
diskwith the appropriate
drivers, by
   slipstreaming
the
appropriate drivers into the Windows XP installation CD or by turning
on
   IDE 
emulationin
the BIOS settings if available.
   - Enabling AHCI in a system BIOS with Windows
Vistaalready installed
will result in a
   BSoD  if SATA has been
   running in IDE mode during Vista's installation. Before enabling AHCI in the
   BIOS, users must first follow the instructions found at Microsoft
   Knowledge Base article 922976 .
   - Enabling AHCI in a system BIOS on installations of Windows XP or
   Windows Vista will cause SATA Optical drives to disappear. A Hotfix for
   Windows Vista is available under the title: "SATA optical drives are not
   available after you start a Windows Vista-based computer.



That's from wiki.  I've never used AHCI myself..perhaps the whole article
might shed light?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface


MIke

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, just today, although I really don't want RAID, just AHCI. Setup
> stops saying it can't find any hard drives (bios shows them okay). It
> really shouldn't be this difficult for a mainstream board like Intel.
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Good luck with Intel tech support. It's taken me months to get a solution
> > for warranty support from them.  It's a slow motion ballet of email
> > messages.
> >
> > I gotta say tho', this is really odd.  I've installed XP with SATA drives
> on
> > probably a dozen different chipsets and never run into this in a non-RAID
> > environment.
> >
> > Have you tried the RAID driver?  I don't recall seeing that in the
> thread.
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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

Yes, just today, although I really don't want RAID, just AHCI. Setup
stops saying it can't find any hard drives (bios shows them okay). It
really shouldn't be this difficult for a mainstream board like Intel.


On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good luck with Intel tech support. It's taken me months to get a solution
> for warranty support from them.  It's a slow motion ballet of email
> messages.
>
> I gotta say tho', this is really odd.  I've installed XP with SATA drives on
> probably a dozen different chipsets and never run into this in a non-RAID
> environment.
>
> Have you tried the RAID driver?  I don't recall seeing that in the thread.


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Jeff Wright]

Good luck with Intel tech support. It's taken me months to get a solution
for warranty support from them.  It's a slow motion ballet of email
messages.

I gotta say tho', this is really odd.  I've installed XP with SATA drives on
probably a dozen different chipsets and never run into this in a non-RAID
environment.

Have you tried the RAID driver?  I don't recall seeing that in the thread.

Driver page:  http://tinyurl.com/6c6g5n

> -Original Message-
> Well, you may have *thought* you did, but like me, you probably had
> EIDE mode enabled for the SATA ports. This works, but then none of the
> SATA ports are using AHCI, so they're degraded - e.g. slower and not
> hot swappable. By default WinXP (even SP3) doesn't come with SATA
> (AHCI) drivers, so you couldn't possibly have ever installed WinXP to
> a true SATA drive without jumping through hoops.
> 
> Of course, it's possible to slipstream in SATA drivers, so if you're
> using a custom WinXP disk this may have been the case.
> 
> I didn't say the mobo didn't come with a cdrom. It did. But WinXP
> won't install SATA drivers from anything but a floppy. I've searched
> the cdrom and there are no floppy files or instructions how to make
> one.


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

Nope. This presents me with the same four F6 choices as the last one I
downloaded. None match the chip the manual says I have. I tried one
last night, then a different one just now. A few minutes later setup
tells me it can't find any drives, press F3 to reboot.


On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:06 AM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2372&OSFullName=Windows*+XP+Professional&lang=eng&strOSs=44&submit=Go%21#DRV
>
> That doesn't contain the files you need?


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

Well, you may have *thought* you did, but like me, you probably had
EIDE mode enabled for the SATA ports. This works, but then none of the
SATA ports are using AHCI, so they're degraded - e.g. slower and not
hot swappable. By default WinXP (even SP3) doesn't come with SATA
(AHCI) drivers, so you couldn't possibly have ever installed WinXP to
a true SATA drive without jumping through hoops.

Of course, it's possible to slipstream in SATA drivers, so if you're
using a custom WinXP disk this may have been the case.

I didn't say the mobo didn't come with a cdrom. It did. But WinXP
won't install SATA drivers from anything but a floppy. I've searched
the cdrom and there are no floppy files or instructions how to make
one.


On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Rich Schinnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tony, are you trying to install windowsXP from an original xp disk
> pre service pack's?  I have installed windows xp on at least a dozen
> SATA only motherboards without any drivers.  Also, I can't understand
> why  your motherboard did not come with a cdrom. I don't think I have
> ever bought a new motherboard without a cdrom coming along with it as
> well as a new metal part for the case to allow the connections to
> be properly positioned.


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

Yes, I tried that. Well, you _have_ to do this registry change to get
Vista to use the SATA drivers at all. Oddly, on first boot it seemed
to get all the way up, then it seemed to very nicely shut down. After
that, nothing but 7B blue screens complaining about 'crcdisk.sys'.


On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Eric S. Sande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, I got it.  You disabled AHCI when you set it up.  Switch off IDE
> emulation in the BIOS.  Try this.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:06 AM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2372&OSFullName=Windows*+XP+Professional&lang=eng&strOSs=44&submit=Go%21#DRV
> That doesn't contain the files you need?


Thanks for looking, but if so, they're well hidden. A search on the
page shows the words "floppy" and "ahci" not present. A manual search
shows nothing but some sort of RAID driver; not at all what I'm
looking for. But if I download the RAID driver it isn't a Windows file
at all, but rather a floppy image writer! I have no idea if this is
one of the 3 versions I've tried already, since none of them have
particularly useful file names. The floppy extractors don't even have
useful file dates on them, instead showing the date I downloaded them.

The chip does seem to be listed in the .inf file so maybe I'll try it.


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Rich Schinnell]

Tony, are you trying to install windowsXP from an original xp disk
pre service pack's?  I have installed windows xp on at least a dozen
SATA only motherboards without any drivers.  Also, I can't understand
why  your motherboard did not come with a cdrom. I don't think I have
ever bought a new motherboard without a cdrom coming along with it as
well as a new metal part for the case to allow the connections to
be properly positioned.

I looked at your specifications and your board has video, floppy and
ide as well as 6 SATA connections.

My bottom line is that you got taken by buying a mb without a cdrom
and you need to get a new version of XP with SP2 on it.

Rich


At 12:00 AM 6/7/2008, you wrote:

Date:Fri, 6 Jun 2008 21:47:40 -0400
From:Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WinXP & SATA

[rant]

What a PITA. This Intel DQ965GF board, purchased 4/07, didn't come
with any floppy disk (or files) despite the fact WinXP is still the
most common OS. No problem, if their website responds to an obvious
"DQ965 floppy drivers" query, but of course it doesn't.

At the time I simply kicked the bios to emulate EIDE, then forgot
about it. But darnit, now I'd like very much to kick these drives to
AHCI (SATA) mode. But, a year later, I still can't find the right
files at Intel!

I think there should be a law. If you're going to sell a motherboard
with SATA, and if WinXP still doesn't support SATA without a floppy,
then dammit, pack a floppy with your board!

[/rant]

PS My existing Vista wouldn't change to new SATA drivers either,
throwing a 7B blue screen.



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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Eric S. Sande]

OK, I got it.  You disabled AHCI when you set it up.  Switch off IDE 
emulation in the BIOS.  Try this.


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Eric S. Sande]

PS My existing Vista wouldn't change to new SATA drivers either,
throwing a 7B blue screen.


The plot thickens.  These are two diffeent physical interfaces, are you
sure you have SATA drives connected?


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Eric S. Sande]

I think there should be a law. If you're going to sell a motherboard
with SATA, and if WinXP still doesn't support SATA without a floppy,
then dammit, pack a floppy with your board!


The only reason you'd need a floppy with a DQ965GF is to
set up a RAID on the SATA controller, correct me if I'm
wrong.  If the drives are PATA they're running on the legacy
EIDE interface.

You can't run a PATA drive on a SATA interface.

There are six SATA connectors on this board, and one PATA
connector.

It sounds like you need to connect to the correct interface with
SATA drives.  No floppy is necessary for that.

If you're saying you're all ready running SATA drives as PATA
drives I don't see how that's possible.




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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[mike]

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2372&OSFullName=Windows*+XP+Professional&lang=eng&strOSs=44&submit=Go%21#DRV

That doesn't contain the files you need?



On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [rant]
>
> What a PITA. This Intel DQ965GF board, purchased 4/07, didn't come
> with any floppy disk (or files) despite the fact WinXP is still the
> most common OS. No problem, if their website responds to an obvious
> "DQ965 floppy drivers" query, but of course it doesn't.
>
> At the time I simply kicked the bios to emulate EIDE, then forgot
> about it. But darnit, now I'd like very much to kick these drives to
> AHCI (SATA) mode. But, a year later, I still can't find the right
> files at Intel!
>
> I think there should be a law. If you're going to sell a motherboard
> with SATA, and if WinXP still doesn't support SATA without a floppy,
> then dammit, pack a floppy with your board!
>
> [/rant]
>
> PS My existing Vista wouldn't change to new SATA drivers either,
> throwing a 7B blue screen.
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[CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

[rant]

What a PITA. This Intel DQ965GF board, purchased 4/07, didn't come
with any floppy disk (or files) despite the fact WinXP is still the
most common OS. No problem, if their website responds to an obvious
"DQ965 floppy drivers" query, but of course it doesn't.

At the time I simply kicked the bios to emulate EIDE, then forgot
about it. But darnit, now I'd like very much to kick these drives to
AHCI (SATA) mode. But, a year later, I still can't find the right
files at Intel!

I think there should be a law. If you're going to sell a motherboard
with SATA, and if WinXP still doesn't support SATA without a floppy,
then dammit, pack a floppy with your board!

[/rant]

PS My existing Vista wouldn't change to new SATA drivers either,
throwing a 7B blue screen.


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