Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-25 Thread Brian Jones
I use foreign sets so infrequently that I prefer to just use SYSTEM 
TOOLS/Charactor Map to pick a letter.

This would not be so good for someone who types french frequently.

 - Brian



There are two ways you can insert or type foreign language characters or 
accents.  I do it for German.


Using ASCII codes you can type a code and get the character you want.  My 
dad used to keep an ASCII chart next to his monitor to do this with 
German.


In MS products (Office) and I assume WordPerfect (although it was done 
differently) and Open Office you use insert symbol and then use the chart 
to insert the symbol you want.


Again I use this method when in Office to insert foreign language 
characters.  It gets fun in Hebrew and Greek when you need to do this.


Stewart



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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-24 Thread Admiral Harris
... or, Door Number Three, where you can choose your keyboard to be US 
International só thát yoú cán put äcceñts wherever you want using your 
regular keyboard.



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From: "Rev. Stewart Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] french


There are two ways you can insert or type foreign language characters or 
accents.  I do it for German.


Using ASCII codes you can type a code and get the character you want.  My 
dad used to keep an ASCII chart next to his monitor to do this with 
German.


In MS products (Office) and I assume WordPerfect (although it was done 
differently) and Open Office you use insert symbol and then use the chart 
to insert the symbol you want.


Again I use this method when in Office to insert foreign language 
characters.  It gets fun in Hebrew and Greek when you need to do this.


Stewart


At 12:23 PM 4/24/2008, you wrote:
I can type accents, cedillas, umlauts, tildas, etc. on my US keyboard--so 
can you. I can switch keyboard language configurations with one simple 
keyboard command. I wouldn't buy a strictly azerty keyboard/notebook. 
Azerty is Belgian. If you can wait until July, I'll check when I'm in 
France to see what's sold.  [ ç  á  è  ö  ñ  å  ø  ] Where is this person? 
In France? Belgium? Quebec? Be sure they know they can get a keyboard skin 
with different keyboard layout than what's built-in when they want to 
switch. Are you sure they're not bilingual/trilingual? Many people outside 
the US are.


If they never leave the house, sure, consider the azerty keyboard version 
[ask them first], but they're likely to share the notebook when 
vacationing in Ibiza or Izmir. Or they might leave the notebook at home 
and use Internet cafés with local keyboards and be confused by those 
keyboards.


Are the novice computer users ready to deal with Linux? Is it user 
friendly enough? Can they get support? eeepc is very portable. Is it big 
enough for home use? Good choice of software, though.


Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
There are two ways you can insert or type foreign 
language characters or accents.  I do it for German.


Using ASCII codes you can type a code and get the 
character you want.  My dad used to keep an ASCII 
chart next to his monitor to do this with German.


In MS products (Office) and I assume WordPerfect 
(although it was done differently) and Open 
Office you use insert symbol and then use the 
chart to insert the symbol you want.


Again I use this method when in Office to insert 
foreign language characters.  It gets fun in 
Hebrew and Greek when you need to do this.


Stewart


At 12:23 PM 4/24/2008, you wrote:
I can type accents, cedillas, umlauts, tildas, 
etc. on my US keyboard--so can you. I can switch 
keyboard language configurations with one simple 
keyboard command. I wouldn't buy a strictly 
azerty keyboard/notebook. Azerty is Belgian. If 
you can wait until July, I'll check when I'm in 
France to see what's sold.  [ 
ç  á  è  ö  ñ  å  ø  ] Where is this person? In 
France? Belgium? Quebec? Be sure they know they 
can get a keyboard skin with different keyboard 
layout than what's built-in when they want to 
switch. Are you sure they're not 
bilingual/trilingual? Many people outside the US are.


If they never leave the house, sure, consider 
the azerty keyboard version [ask them first], 
but they're likely to share the notebook when 
vacationing in Ibiza or Izmir. Or they might 
leave the notebook at home and use Internet 
cafés with local keyboards and be confused by those keyboards.


Are the novice computer users ready to deal with 
Linux? Is it user friendly enough? Can they get 
support? eeepc is very portable. Is it big 
enough for home use? Good choice of software, though.


Betty


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Prince of Peace
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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-24 Thread b_s-wilk
I can type accents, cedillas, umlauts, tildas, etc. on my US 
keyboard--so can you. I can switch keyboard language configurations with 
one simple keyboard command. I wouldn't buy a strictly azerty 
keyboard/notebook. Azerty is Belgian. If you can wait until July, I'll 
check when I'm in France to see what's sold.  [ ç  á  è  ö  ñ  å  ø  ] 
Where is this person? In France? Belgium? Quebec? Be sure they know they 
can get a keyboard skin with different keyboard layout than what's 
built-in when they want to switch. Are you sure they're not 
bilingual/trilingual? Many people outside the US are.


If they never leave the house, sure, consider the azerty keyboard 
version [ask them first], but they're likely to share the notebook when 
vacationing in Ibiza or Izmir. Or they might leave the notebook at home 
and use Internet cafés with local keyboards and be confused by those 
keyboards.


Are the novice computer users ready to deal with Linux? Is it user 
friendly enough? Can they get support? eeepc is very portable. Is it big 
enough for home use? Good choice of software, though.


Betty


rlsimon escribió:

Thanks!

This is for a novice 100% french speaking family member and any english on
it will create havoc ...also, the azerty keyboard usually has some function
keys to create alpha with accents.  I see ASUS has a digital drive small
webcam wifi linux device EEEPC which can be had with everything french
including preloaded firefox and open office, etc. ...any thoughts?

-Original Message-
From: b_s-wilk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: french


Before you invest in an azerty keyboard, find out how common it is where 
you will be using the notebook--in Belgium, maybe? I've seen 1 azerty, 
and many qwerty keyboards among French and Swiss users [I worked at a 
Swiss company]. Ask first. And get a keyboard skin instead of a 
dedicated foreign keyboard. My "Puerto Rican" keyboard drives me crazy 
when I type in English!


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-24 Thread rlsimon
I just got 2 RTs to brussels USAir ...one with super low fare and other
using ff miles ...both are exempt from the $25 second bag fee now popular
with many airlines...  We each get 2 bags size standard 50 lbs max + carry
on standard size + computer bag or purse included ...not2bad.

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From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: french


I got nailed over 30 years ago flying on a student fare that 
connected through Toronto.  They made me put my carry on bag with the 
luggage and nailed me for overweight.  Cost me $30.00 Canadian which 
I had to exchange at the airport to pay.  (Oh exchange rate was 1.05 
US for 1.00 Canadian give you an idea when that happened?)

On the way home I had more luggage (well more things in my luggage) 
and did not pay a cent.

Stewart




At 09:59 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote:
>I just got an email this morning from Iberia, subject line "New
>Baggage Allowance". Love those Spaniards. What did they do? They 
>INCREASED the baggage allowance from 20kg to 23kg each for 2 bags, 
>international economy, and from 30kg to 3x23kg, international 
>business class, but it's 150 euro for each extra checked bag beyond 
>the allowances.
>
>This could cause a huge problem if you fly to Europe on Iberia, and
>catch your connection on Ryan Air which allows you to check up to 3 
>bags [7 euros each] with a combined weight of 15kg. Wouldn't 3 EMPTY 
>bags weigh almost 15kg? Overweight bags? That's 10 euros per kilo. 
>Aer Lingus wasn't much better. Airlines are not only charging for 
>overweight, they're charging for all checked luggage of any size. 
>That's how Ryan Air can charge 2 cents for their flights--today's 
>Bristol to Milan fare is 'free', except for airport taxes, checked 
>luggage, food, check-in fee, credit card fee, boarding pass...
>
>Forget carrying a computer. Use a Wifi smart phone with a good
>browser instead. They weigh less than a notebook power brick.
>
>Betty

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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-24 Thread rlsimon
Thanks!

This is for a novice 100% french speaking family member and any english on
it will create havoc ...also, the azerty keyboard usually has some function
keys to create alpha with accents.  I see ASUS has a digital drive small
webcam wifi linux device EEEPC which can be had with everything french
including preloaded firefox and open office, etc. ...any thoughts?

-Original Message-
From: b_s-wilk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: french


Before you invest in an azerty keyboard, find out how common it is where 
you will be using the notebook--in Belgium, maybe? I've seen 1 azerty, 
and many qwerty keyboards among French and Swiss users [I worked at a 
Swiss company]. Ask first. And get a keyboard skin instead of a 
dedicated foreign keyboard. My "Puerto Rican" keyboard drives me crazy 
when I type in English!

Betty

>  Thanks for all  the good words.  I will be looking for an IBM maybe T 
> series.  It will have a 110-240 compliant brick.  The question I am 
> most focused upon is the keyboard (including what is written on the 
> letters in the azerty array) and also the software (whether it will 
> display completely in French) as it's for a novice who will be 
> completely confused if it is not in French all the way.  He will use 
> it for email and maybe some text.  I am also looking at an this [ 
> http://www.misco.fr/productinformation/~75595~WW~es~/PC%20Portable%20A
> sus%20
>
EEE-PC%20Intel%20Celeron%20900-M%204Go%20SSD%20512Mo%20Ecran%207%20%20WebCam
>
%20Wifi%20Lecteur%20de%20cartes%20Linux%20Poids%200.92kg%20Couleur%20NOIR.ht
> m ] which is a mini notebook with digital storage ...seemingly has "linux"
> installed.  I have NO experience with linux.  Will this be a useful
choice?
> Opinions?


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-24 Thread Ralph
The thought that occurred to me was: If you want something you're sure
will work in France, and with the availability of "support", then buy
a computer when you get to France.

Ralph

> Before you invest in an azerty keyboard, find out how common it is where you
> will be using the notebook--in Belgium, maybe? I've seen 1 azerty, and many
> qwerty keyboards among French and Swiss users [I worked at a Swiss company].
> Ask first. And get a keyboard skin instead of a dedicated foreign keyboard.
> My "Puerto Rican" keyboard drives me crazy when I type in English!


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I got nailed over 30 years ago flying on a student fare that 
connected through Toronto.  They made me put my carry on bag with the 
luggage and nailed me for overweight.  Cost me $30.00 Canadian which 
I had to exchange at the airport to pay.  (Oh exchange rate was 1.05 
US for 1.00 Canadian give you an idea when that happened?)


On the way home I had more luggage (well more things in my luggage) 
and did not pay a cent.


Stewart




At 09:59 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote:
I just got an email this morning from Iberia, subject line "New 
Baggage Allowance". Love those Spaniards. What did they do? They 
INCREASED the baggage allowance from 20kg to 23kg each for 2 bags, 
international economy, and from 30kg to 3x23kg, international 
business class, but it's 150 euro for each extra checked bag beyond 
the allowances.


This could cause a huge problem if you fly to Europe on Iberia, and 
catch your connection on Ryan Air which allows you to check up to 3 
bags [7 euros each] with a combined weight of 15kg. Wouldn't 3 EMPTY 
bags weigh almost 15kg? Overweight bags? That's 10 euros per kilo. 
Aer Lingus wasn't much better. Airlines are not only charging for 
overweight, they're charging for all checked luggage of any size. 
That's how Ryan Air can charge 2 cents for their flights--today's 
Bristol to Milan fare is 'free', except for airport taxes, checked 
luggage, food, check-in fee, credit card fee, boarding pass...


Forget carrying a computer. Use a Wifi smart phone with a good 
browser instead. They weigh less than a notebook power brick.


Betty


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Prince of Peace
Ozark, AL  SL 82


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-23 Thread b_s-wilk

>
> In light o9f how Airlines are now finding easier ways to charge for 
overweight you are probably spot on Tom.

>
> Stewart


I just got an email this morning from Iberia, subject line "New Baggage 
Allowance". Love those Spaniards. What did they do? They INCREASED the 
baggage allowance from 20kg to 23kg each for 2 bags, international 
economy, and from 30kg to 3x23kg, international business class, but it's 
150 euro for each extra checked bag beyond the allowances.


This could cause a huge problem if you fly to Europe on Iberia, and 
catch your connection on Ryan Air which allows you to check up to 3 bags 
[7 euros each] with a combined weight of 15kg. Wouldn't 3 EMPTY bags 
weigh almost 15kg? Overweight bags? That's 10 euros per kilo. Aer Lingus 
wasn't much better. Airlines are not only charging for overweight, 
they're charging for all checked luggage of any size. That's how Ryan 
Air can charge 2 cents for their flights--today's Bristol to Milan fare 
is 'free', except for airport taxes, checked luggage, food, check-in 
fee, credit card fee, boarding pass...


Forget carrying a computer. Use a Wifi smart phone with a good browser 
instead. They weigh less than a notebook power brick.


Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-23 Thread b_s-wilk
Before you invest in an azerty keyboard, find out how common it is where 
you will be using the notebook--in Belgium, maybe? I've seen 1 azerty, 
and many qwerty keyboards among French and Swiss users [I worked at a 
Swiss company]. Ask first. And get a keyboard skin instead of a 
dedicated foreign keyboard. My "Puerto Rican" keyboard drives me crazy 
when I type in English!


Betty


 Thanks for all  the good words.  I will be looking for an IBM maybe T
series.  It will have a 110-240 compliant brick.  The question I am most
focused upon is the keyboard (including what is written on the letters in
the azerty array) and also the software (whether it will display completely
in French) as it's for a novice who will be completely confused if it is not
in French all the way.  He will use it for email and maybe some text.  I am
also looking at an this [
http://www.misco.fr/productinformation/~75595~WW~es~/PC%20Portable%20Asus%20
EEE-PC%20Intel%20Celeron%20900-M%204Go%20SSD%20512Mo%20Ecran%207%20%20WebCam
%20Wifi%20Lecteur%20de%20cartes%20Linux%20Poids%200.92kg%20Couleur%20NOIR.ht
m ] which is a mini notebook with digital storage ...seemingly has "linux"
installed.  I have NO experience with linux.  Will this be a useful choice?
Opinions?



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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
In light o9f how Airlines are now finding easier ways to charge for 
overweight you are probably spot on Tom.


Stewart


At 08:00 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote:

>Tom, At first I would agree with you, if the converters were monstrous,
>but they aren't.  They are smaller than the power cord used to recharge
>a laptop.

I didn't say "monstrous." They cost about $20 and weigh about 1/2 lb.
When traveling I consider 1/2 lb "heavy." I strive to carry on all my
stuff in a single small bag. My wife travels with a steamer trunk. She
does not think 1/2 lb. is "heavy" either.


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Tom, At first I would agree with you, if the converters were monstrous, 
>but they aren't.  They are smaller than the power cord used to recharge 
>a laptop.

I didn't say "monstrous." They cost about $20 and weigh about 1/2 lb. 
When traveling I consider 1/2 lb "heavy." I strive to carry on all my 
stuff in a single small bag. My wife travels with a steamer trunk. She 
does not think 1/2 lb. is "heavy" either.


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Last time I went, all I needed was a plug adapter.

That is because you had a computer with a universal power supply, which 
is exactly what I was advising.


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-23 Thread Paul Meyer
Not if you have to support it, do you know
what distribution it is?

rlsimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Thanks for all  the good words.  I will be 
looking for an IBM maybe T
series.  It will have a 110-240 compliant brick.  The question I am most
focused upon is the keyboard (including what is written on the letters in
the azerty array) and also the software (whether it will display completely
in French) as it's for a novice who will be completely confused if it is not
in French all the way.  He will use it for email and maybe some text.  I am
also looking at an this [
http://www.misco.fr/productinformation/~75595~WW~es~/PC%20Portable%20Asus%20
EEE-PC%20Intel%20Celeron%20900-M%204Go%20SSD%20512Mo%20Ecran%207%20%20WebCam
%20Wifi%20Lecteur%20de%20cartes%20Linux%20Poids%200.92kg%20Couleur%20NOIR.ht
m ] which is a mini notebook with digital storage ...seemingly has "linux"
installed.  I have NO experience with linux.  Will this be a useful choice?
Opinions?




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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-23 Thread rlsimon
 Thanks for all  the good words.  I will be looking for an IBM maybe T
series.  It will have a 110-240 compliant brick.  The question I am most
focused upon is the keyboard (including what is written on the letters in
the azerty array) and also the software (whether it will display completely
in French) as it's for a novice who will be completely confused if it is not
in French all the way.  He will use it for email and maybe some text.  I am
also looking at an this [
http://www.misco.fr/productinformation/~75595~WW~es~/PC%20Portable%20Asus%20
EEE-PC%20Intel%20Celeron%20900-M%204Go%20SSD%20512Mo%20Ecran%207%20%20WebCam
%20Wifi%20Lecteur%20de%20cartes%20Linux%20Poids%200.92kg%20Couleur%20NOIR.ht
m ] which is a mini notebook with digital storage ...seemingly has "linux"
installed.  I have NO experience with linux.  Will this be a useful choice?
Opinions?




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Re: [CGUYS] French

2008-04-23 Thread chad evans wyatt
Valuable advice.  I use a standard US keyboard here to
address clients in Czech, Slovak, Polish, French,
Finish, and could write even in several Chinese,
Japanese, Korean character sets.  When in Europe, I
can convert language-dedicated keyboards there to US
configuration without difficulty.  


Chad


  

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Re: [CGUYS] French

2008-04-23 Thread b_s-wilk
Keyboard configuration is software based. Markings on the keys just make 
it easier to find the acute accent, accent grave, cedilla, circumflex, 
caron, ¿ ¡ , etc. What do you do with the French keyboard if you decide 
to use it for Croatian or Portuguese or Italian? Do you need a new 
notebook for each language!


While you can buy a keyboard or notebook with these marks, if you use 
more than one language, consider a keyboard cover/skin with diacritical 
marks for each language. Try i-Skin for notebooks or SpeedSkin for 
keyboards, http://www.speedskin.com/. Get a skin and set your Keyboard 
prefs to French.


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-22 Thread Christopher Range

Admiral Harris wrote:


Last time I went, all I needed was a plug adapter.

And you can select the azerty keyboard in any version of Windows. 


Exactly

Christopher


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-22 Thread Admiral Harris

Last time I went, all I needed was a plug adapter.

And you can select the azerty keyboard in any version of Windows.


- Original Message - 
From: "Rev. Stewart Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] french


For a laptop I think all they will need is a different power cord to 
the brick.  DOUBLE CHECK FOR SURE.


Stewart


At 08:04 PM 4/22/2008, you wrote:

>Also, They will need a converter for the power.  U.S. voltage is 120V.
>In Europe it is 240V.

Don't buy anything that does not have a universal power supply. You don't
want to be lugging a heavy power converter.


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-22 Thread Christopher Range

Tom Piwowar wrote:

Don't buy anything that does not have a universal power supply. You 
don't want to be lugging a heavy power converter.


Tom, At first I would agree with you, if the converters were monstrous, 
but they aren't.  They are smaller than the power cord used to recharge 
a laptop.


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-22 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
For a laptop I think all they will need is a different power cord to 
the brick.  DOUBLE CHECK FOR SURE.


Stewart


At 08:04 PM 4/22/2008, you wrote:

>Also, They will need a converter for the power.  U.S. voltage is 120V.
>In Europe it is 240V.

Don't buy anything that does not have a universal power supply. You don't
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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-22 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Also, They will need a converter for the power.  U.S. voltage is 120V.  
>In Europe it is 240V.

Don't buy anything that does not have a universal power supply. You don't 
want to be lugging a heavy power converter.


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-22 Thread Christopher Range

rlsimon wrote:


I want to buy a notebook with french keyboard layout (azerty) and french 
language version of windows (probably xp pro) to take with me as a gift for a 
family member in the EU ...can I buy that here in the USA ?  ...neebodee know 
whereat?

Since they are family member living in France, I would suggest, just 
getting a regular U.S. laptop and, have the software installed, that 
will translate english into french, as it is being typed.  Instead of 
buying a keyboard with the french markings on it.


Also, They will need a converter for the power.  U.S. voltage is 120V.  
In Europe it is 240V.


Christopher


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Re: [CGUYS] French

2008-04-22 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
Actually, you should be able to buy one from ACER or Dell Direct.  

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I want to buy a notebook with french keyboard layout (azerty) and french
language version of windows (probably xp pro) to take with me as a gift for
a family member in the EU ...can I buy that here in the USA ?  ...neebodee
know whereat?


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Re: [CGUYS] french

2008-04-22 Thread Matthew Taylor
Bet you could get one from a retailer / catalog shop in Quebec pretty  
easy ...



On Apr 22, 2008, at 3:54 PM, rlsimon wrote:

I want to buy a notebook with french keyboard layout (azerty) and  
french
language version of windows (probably xp pro) to take with me as a  
gift for
a family member in the EU ...can I buy that here in the  
USA ?  ...neebodee

know whereat?


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[CGUYS] french

2008-04-22 Thread rlsimon
I want to buy a notebook with french keyboard layout (azerty) and french
language version of windows (probably xp pro) to take with me as a gift for
a family member in the EU ...can I buy that here in the USA ?  ...neebodee
know whereat?


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