Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-12-06 Thread rlsimon
I used the Norton Removal tool yesterday ...first it asked me to use
WindowsXP uninstaller to remove Ghost...then it proceeded and with that
rebooted.  Boot was ok but XP hung on shutdown ...only solution was to
reinstall Norton 2003 (without Ghost and without NAV) and run Norton
WinDoctor which must have fixed it as there were lots of errors shown.  Now
winXP boots and shuts down fine.  I am loath to uninstall Norton2003 again
...any thoughts about this?

-Original Message-
From: Michel Lowe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:56 PM
To: 'rlsimon'
Subject: RE: removing Norton


Dunno, sorry.  If it's similar to the old Norton Utilities it's probably ok.
I have no personal experience with it. -Mike

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 -Original Message-
 From: rlsimon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:40 PM
 To: 'Michel Lowe'
 Subject: RE: removing Norton
 
 Is WinDoctor from Norton of value afayk?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Michel Lowe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:02 PM
 To: 'rlsimon'
 Subject: RE: removing Norton
 
 
 My experience with Norton is limited because I don't much like it.  If 
 it
or
 Symantec is preinstalled I remove them.  They tend to wrap their 
 weasely tentacles around the registry, leave lingering hooks and DLLs 
 that make
them
 a mess to uninstall.  Sometimes you wind up forced to use their 
 deletion application because the regular uninstall fails.  That was 
 what kicked off this whole thread -- a user unable to remove NAV 
 cleanly.
 
 When Norton just did utilities they were okay, I don't think security 
 is their forte, especially the Internet bundle like you mentioned. 
 Considering the trouble they put you through my personal opinion is 
 you
are
 better off to scrap it all and pick best-of-breed products you prefer.  
 A lot of folks like Avast (free); I'm partial to Trend Micro's 
 PC-Cillin (about the same price as NAV), but to each his own.  If you 
 don't want to use the Windoze firewall try Zone Alarm, another 
 freebee.  And you really have to run multiple spyware removal products 
 if you want to keep out the slime that can show up on your system.  It 
 seems like no single product
gets
 everything.
 
 Anyway, that's my two cents worth.
 -Mike
 
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  -Original Message-
  From: rlsimon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:30 PM
  To: 'Michel Lowe'
  Cc: 'Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List'
  Subject: RE: removing Norton
 
  I have Norton SystemWorks 2003 on my winXPsp2 box which ran like 
  sludge
 with
  256mb ram and 40gb hdd about 3/4 full ...upgraded to 1gb ram and 
  120gb hdd with plennya space and ran like sludge ...uninstalled NAV 
  and put on Avast ...runs like a top (although, the Opera browser 
  seems to linger until
 Avast
  is finished dld of the latest signature file)!!  ...I sometimes use 
  Norton WinDoctor to look for errors cuz it fixes them without too 
  much follderoll (I suppose) ...otherwise, ghost was a real pain to 
  use with my external 120gb hdd I have for backup ...I simply do it 
  myself from time to time although I did dld a free custom b/u 
  routine that looks gud but didn't use it yet (lazy me)... Is there a 
  gud reason to take off the resta norton
 ...is
  anya norton worth anything?  Only thing running is Norton Protection 
  that kinda backs up the recycle bin ...otherwise, nothing runs at 
  boot and I
 use
  cleansweep (which windows has an equivalent for) and that doktah 
  thingy.
 I
  wonder, if I uninstall Norton if it will actually remove itself 
  completely (seems the 2003 version was relatively less problematic 
  than the later iterations per the postings I have read). ...wadda 
  y'all think about that?



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Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I bought one of the Dell laptops Walmart had on their Black Friday Ad 
(a really nice unit) and we set it up when we got home to get updates 
and register it.  (It is being put away until graduation)  It had 
Norton on it fresh from the factory and one of the first things I 
instructed my wife to do was remove it.  Put Avast on it.


Came with 2 GB ram, Home Premium and a DVD/CD burner.

Stewart


At 09:55 AM 11/30/2007, you wrote:

Not much of a point, really.  The question posted was how come so many
people use NAV if it's such a poor product.  My post pointed out that people
use the stuff the PC comes shipped with whether it's the best solution or
not.  NAV is shipped preinstalled on lots of PCs unless you custom-order it
like through Dell's order process and specify the AV -- if any -- that you
really want.  If like most computer buyers you pick one up at Costco or
Staples, NAV is installed and it probably runs when you fire up the PC.
Most computer users are not as sophisticated as members of this list;
they've heard that they need AV software and the PC came with it already
installed, so they just use it.  Down the road they may come to regret that.
The product has developed a bad reputation recently, especially the security
bundle -- AV plus firewall plus adware removal.

Smoking, overeating, and not wearing seat belts are CHOICES that consumers
are (mostly) free to make.  Receiving a PC with AOL or NAV already installed
is not a choice most computer buyers make.  It's the path of least
resistance.  And that's my theory for why millions use NAV.  If it didn't
work that way, Norton/Symantec, McAfee, et al would not kick back to the
manufacturers to preinstall their software, would they?

-Mike


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
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Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-30 Thread Tom Piwowar
Millions use NAV because the manufacturers ship you their PC with it already
installed.

Millions smoke tobacco and other weeds. Millions are morbidly obese. 
Millions don't wear seat belts. Millions use Windows. What's your point?



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Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-30 Thread Tom Piwowar
I guess it is because I think buying a crappy, misconfigured computer is 
a CHOICE. 

Smoking, overeating, and not wearing seat belts are CHOICES that consumers
are (mostly) free to make.  Receiving a PC with AOL or NAV already installed
is not a choice most computer buyers make.  It's the path of least
resistance.  And that's my theory for why millions use NAV.  If it didn't
work that way, Norton/Symantec, McAfee, et al would not kick back to the
manufacturers to preinstall their software, would they?



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Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-30 Thread Michel Lowe
Not much of a point, really.  The question posted was how come so many
people use NAV if it's such a poor product.  My post pointed out that people
use the stuff the PC comes shipped with whether it's the best solution or
not.  NAV is shipped preinstalled on lots of PCs unless you custom-order it
like through Dell's order process and specify the AV -- if any -- that you
really want.  If like most computer buyers you pick one up at Costco or
Staples, NAV is installed and it probably runs when you fire up the PC.
Most computer users are not as sophisticated as members of this list;
they've heard that they need AV software and the PC came with it already
installed, so they just use it.  Down the road they may come to regret that.
The product has developed a bad reputation recently, especially the security
bundle -- AV plus firewall plus adware removal. 

Smoking, overeating, and not wearing seat belts are CHOICES that consumers
are (mostly) free to make.  Receiving a PC with AOL or NAV already installed
is not a choice most computer buyers make.  It's the path of least
resistance.  And that's my theory for why millions use NAV.  If it didn't
work that way, Norton/Symantec, McAfee, et al would not kick back to the
manufacturers to preinstall their software, would they?

-Mike 

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 Subject: Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton
 
 Millions use NAV because the manufacturers ship you their PC with it
already
 installed.
 
 Millions smoke tobacco and other weeds. Millions are morbidly obese.
 Millions don't wear seat belts. Millions use Windows. What's your point?



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Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-30 Thread rlsimon
I have Norton SystemWorks 2003 on my winXPsp2 box which ran like sludge with
256mb ram and 40gb hdd about 3/4 full ...upgraded to 1gb ram and 120gb hdd
with plennya space and ran like sludge ...uninstalled NAV and put on Avast
...runs like a top (although, the Opera browser seems to linger until Avast
is finished dld of the latest signature file)!!  ...I sometimes use Norton
WinDoctor to look for errors cuz it fixes them without too much follderoll
(I suppose) ...otherwise, ghost was a real pain to use with my external
120gb hdd I have for backup ...I simply do it myself from time to time
although I did dld a free custom b/u routine that looks gud but didn't use
it yet (lazy me)... Is there a gud reason to take off the resta norton ...is
anya norton worth anything?  Only thing running is Norton Protection that
kinda backs up the recycle bin ...otherwise, nothing runs at boot and I use
cleansweep (which windows has an equivalent for) and that doktah thingy.  I
wonder, if I uninstall Norton if it will actually remove itself completely
(seems the 2003 version was relatively less problematic than the later
iterations per the postings I have read). ...wadda y'all think about that?



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Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-30 Thread Tom Piwowar
wadda y'all think about that?

Save yourself some trouble and convert it to a hackintosh. Instructions 
for Leopard are already on the web.



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Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-29 Thread rocky lee
Why do millions of people use something crappy and
smile about it?

They have been educated, or trained, or raised to
believe that
the substandard is the norm and have lowered their
expectations
about performance. I'm speaking in general here, not
about NAV.

[rant]
fill in the blanks [health insurance coverage, foreign
policy, domestic policy, political fundraising, tax
codes, trade policy, penal system, operating system X,
application W, system utility Y, electoral
college,food supply safety, toy safety, social policy,
two party systems, fast food, the price of oil and
petroleum products, air quality ] 
[/rant]

I'l sometimes put a machine I'm working on with a
Brand Y operating system into a diagnostic or 'safe
mode' and the performance will increase by three times
or more. I then ask myself: Isn't this how
it should be in 'normal' startup? Yes, performance
will vary from
machine to machine because of CPU speed and RAM
memory, but on the same machine, when it operates
three or four times better, that's 
a substantial increase in performance. 

I'm sure if I loaded DOS as the OS onto the machine
that it would scorch my eyeballs out from the sheer
blazing speed.

As to NAV, People want to be safe. It is inconceivable
that you can
have all three: safety, reliability , and speed
simultaneously. 

It is unfathomable that a safety product could cause
problems as well as fix them.

Rocky






Date:Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:49:19 -0500
From:Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: removing Norton

Note that, like many things you read on the internet,
the suggestion
that removing Norton Antivirus will help whatever
problem you're
having is probably inaccurate. Every time you hear 1
(or 10 or 20)
members bash [fill in the blank
software/hardware/OS], you have to ask
yourself: If it's so bad, why do a million other
people use it with
no trouble?.


On Nov 28, 2007 9:57 AM, Judy Cosler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 One subscriber mentioned that I would need a
special tool from
 Norton's
 website to really get their AV off of my computer.

 can anybody help me locate this? Norton is not
exactly forthcoming
 with
 the info!



  

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Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
The problem is that Norton has an awful history recently.  It's not so
much just the antivirus but installing the whole suite that causes
problems.  They keep adding things to get check boxes in reviews that
may not be written as well as other things in the suite.  One klunker
can ruin the whole package if you don't have options to install the
bits and pieces separately.

You can do better than Norton for free in the antivirus world.

On Nov 28, 2007 10:49 PM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Note that, like many things you read on the internet, the suggestion
 that removing Norton Antivirus will help whatever problem you're
 having is probably inaccurate. Every time you hear 1 (or 10 or 20)
 members bash [fill in the blank software/hardware/OS], you have to ask
 yourself: If it's so bad, why do a million other people use it with
 no trouble?.


 On Nov 28, 2007 9:57 AM, Judy Cosler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  One subscriber mentioned that I would need a special tool from Norton's
  website to really get their AV off of my computer.
 
  can anybody help me locate this? Norton is not exactly forthcoming with
  the info!


 
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Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-29 Thread John DeCarlo
On Nov 28, 2007 10:49 PM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Note that, like many things you read on the internet, the suggestion
 that removing Norton Antivirus will help whatever problem you're
 having is probably inaccurate. Every time you hear 1 (or 10 or 20)
 members bash [fill in the blank software/hardware/OS], you have to ask
 yourself: If it's so bad, why do a million other people use it with
 no trouble?.


How do you know that *anyone* is using the complete Norton suite without any
trouble?  I certainly don't know that.

In my personal experience, helping solve computer problems, 9 out of 9 times
I worked with someone using the full Norton suite, including antivirus,
removing that was the only long-term solution.  I suspect most people who
have it learn to
live with the problems.  In fact, I would say most home computers have
problems on them (maybe not most Linux or Mac) and people learn to live with
them.

I find this all the time.  Even people I thought were computer savvy have
all kinds of problems I notice right away when I use their computers.

Sort of like going to someone's house to find their TV has had a greenish
tinge for the last year and they haven't done anything about it.
-- 
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Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-29 Thread Michel Lowe
Millions use NAV because the manufacturers ship you their PC with it already
installed.  

rant You will also find links to game sites, AOL, and lord knows what all
else pre-loaded.  If you are computer literate you delete all that junk.
Most consumers just keep using -- and paying for -- whatever AV is installed
on their computer.  That's why the AV companies pay the manufacturers to
preload it on the computer. That's why you have to waste hours the day it
arrives removing crap you didn't order off your brand new
fresh-out-of-the-Cosmoline computer before you can install the stuff you
want and start using it. /rant 

Sorry, I've bought four new laptops in the last year and a half.  This is a
PC feature that really gets my goat.
-Mike

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 Subject: Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton
 
 Note that, like many things you read on the internet, the suggestion
 that removing Norton Antivirus will help whatever problem you're
 having is probably inaccurate. Every time you hear 1 (or 10 or 20)
 members bash [fill in the blank software/hardware/OS], you have to ask
 yourself: If it's so bad, why do a million other people use it with
 no trouble?.
 
 
 On Nov 28, 2007 9:57 AM, Judy Cosler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  One subscriber mentioned that I would need a special tool from Norton's
  website to really get their AV off of my computer.
 
  can anybody help me locate this? Norton is not exactly forthcoming with
  the info!
 
 
 
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[CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-28 Thread Judy Cosler
One subscriber mentioned that I would need a special tool from Norton's 
website to really get their AV off of my computer.


can anybody help me locate this? Norton is not exactly forthcoming with 
the info!




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Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-28 Thread John DeCarlo
On Nov 28, 2007 9:57 AM, Judy Cosler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One subscriber mentioned that I would need a special tool from Norton's
 website to really get their AV off of my computer.

 can anybody help me locate this? Norton is not exactly forthcoming with
 the info!


Judy,

Try this page:

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039

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John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



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Re: [CGUYS] removing Norton

2007-11-28 Thread Tony B
Note that, like many things you read on the internet, the suggestion
that removing Norton Antivirus will help whatever problem you're
having is probably inaccurate. Every time you hear 1 (or 10 or 20)
members bash [fill in the blank software/hardware/OS], you have to ask
yourself: If it's so bad, why do a million other people use it with
no trouble?.


On Nov 28, 2007 9:57 AM, Judy Cosler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 One subscriber mentioned that I would need a special tool from Norton's
 website to really get their AV off of my computer.

 can anybody help me locate this? Norton is not exactly forthcoming with
 the info!



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