Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
The Touches are all microphone-capable. In the most recent generation, the larger capacity Touches come with Apple earphones that have the built-in microphone, but the entry-level 8GB Touch comes with regular earphones. For my previous generation Touch, I bought and use a microphone by Monster that has a jack that lets you use your choice of earphones. From:db db...@att.net Subject: Re: Netbooks vs. Notebooks the Touch's screen keyboard seems a big liability to me. I have big fingers and find the iPhone's keyboard laborious when I have used one. Does the Touch have a microphone? If so the voice to text apps that are popping up could suffice perhaps... db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
What UMPC's do you recommend Betty? dan Since I can't fit one into my budget--just into a pocket--I can make a wishlist. I like the Panasonic Toughbook U1 for size, but it's heavy. Something like that would be nice, but needs to be lighter. Itronix GoBook® MR-1 is better, but not much lighter. The entire UMPC/Netbook genre is blurring with mobile phones, except for the rugged ones above. Compare Nokia 900, UMID mbook M1, Viliv, iPhone. For now, I'm buying a Nokia N79 mobile phone, and considering a new iPod Touch, maybe. The only thing I'm missing is printing, and I can do that via BlueTooth or WiFi from a phone if there's an app for it. Anything bigger than a 6-7 display is too big for traveling light [I use a carry-on bag for trips, 1 day to 2 months or more]. I may as well just carry my Macbook instead of a bigger Netbook. What's the point of a 10-inch 'netbook' when my notebooks are 12 and 13 inches! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Thanks Betty ... I agree with you about small size being important for road warrioring. And I think the small powerful ones have to weigh more ... because they have more guts... I am interested to know the how's and why's of your going with an iPod Touch and a separate phone. How come you don't just combine the two and go with an iPhone? db b_s-wilk wrote: What UMPC's do you recommend Betty? dan Since I can't fit one into my budget--just into a pocket--I can make a wishlist. I like the Panasonic Toughbook U1 for size, but it's heavy. Something like that would be nice, but needs to be lighter. Itronix GoBook® MR-1 is better, but not much lighter. The entire UMPC/Netbook genre is blurring with mobile phones, except for the rugged ones above. Compare Nokia 900, UMID mbook M1, Viliv, iPhone. For now, I'm buying a Nokia N79 mobile phone, and considering a new iPod Touch, maybe. The only thing I'm missing is printing, and I can do that via BlueTooth or WiFi from a phone if there's an app for it. Anything bigger than a 6-7 display is too big for traveling light [I use a carry-on bag for trips, 1 day to 2 months or more]. I may as well just carry my Macbook instead of a bigger Netbook. What's the point of a 10-inch 'netbook' when my notebooks are 12 and 13 inches! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
the Touch's screen keyboard seems a big liability to me. I have big fingers and find the iPhone's keyboard laborious when I have used one. Does the Touch have a microphone? If so the voice to text apps that are popping up could suffice perhaps... db mike wrote: I was going to add, I think UMPC's have been overrun in the public market by either netbooks or the iPod touch. I only see UMPC's in the workplace replacing what would have gone to touchscreen notebooks. I'd examine what you need this for and then see if the iPod touch can suit your needs. Ultimate portability and still a fine device for doing web work/email etc. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:14 AM, db db...@att.net wrote: Thanks Betty ... I agree with you about small size being important for road warrioring. And I think the small powerful ones have to weigh more ... because they have more guts... I am interested to know the how's and why's of your going with an iPod Touch and a separate phone. How come you don't just combine the two and go with an iPhone? db b_s-wilk wrote: What UMPC's do you recommend Betty? dan Since I can't fit one into my budget--just into a pocket--I can make a wishlist. I like the Panasonic Toughbook U1 for size, but it's heavy. Something like that would be nice, but needs to be lighter. Itronix GoBook® MR-1 is better, but not much lighter. The entire UMPC/Netbook genre is blurring with mobile phones, except for the rugged ones above. Compare Nokia 900, UMID mbook M1, Viliv, iPhone. For now, I'm buying a Nokia N79 mobile phone, and considering a new iPod Touch, maybe. The only thing I'm missing is printing, and I can do that via BlueTooth or WiFi from a phone if there's an app for it. Anything bigger than a 6-7 display is too big for traveling light [I use a carry-on bag for trips, 1 day to 2 months or more]. I may as well just carry my Macbook instead of a bigger Netbook. What's the point of a 10-inch 'netbook' when my notebooks are 12 and 13 inches! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
I was going to add, I think UMPC's have been overrun in the public market by either netbooks or the iPod touch. I only see UMPC's in the workplace replacing what would have gone to touchscreen notebooks. I'd examine what you need this for and then see if the iPod touch can suit your needs. Ultimate portability and still a fine device for doing web work/email etc. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:14 AM, db db...@att.net wrote: Thanks Betty ... I agree with you about small size being important for road warrioring. And I think the small powerful ones have to weigh more ... because they have more guts... I am interested to know the how's and why's of your going with an iPod Touch and a separate phone. How come you don't just combine the two and go with an iPhone? db b_s-wilk wrote: What UMPC's do you recommend Betty? dan Since I can't fit one into my budget--just into a pocket--I can make a wishlist. I like the Panasonic Toughbook U1 for size, but it's heavy. Something like that would be nice, but needs to be lighter. Itronix GoBook® MR-1 is better, but not much lighter. The entire UMPC/Netbook genre is blurring with mobile phones, except for the rugged ones above. Compare Nokia 900, UMID mbook M1, Viliv, iPhone. For now, I'm buying a Nokia N79 mobile phone, and considering a new iPod Touch, maybe. The only thing I'm missing is printing, and I can do that via BlueTooth or WiFi from a phone if there's an app for it. Anything bigger than a 6-7 display is too big for traveling light [I use a carry-on bag for trips, 1 day to 2 months or more]. I may as well just carry my Macbook instead of a bigger Netbook. What's the point of a 10-inch 'netbook' when my notebooks are 12 and 13 inches! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
Thanks Betty ... I agree with you about small size being important for road warrioring. And I think the small powerful ones have to weigh more ... because they have more guts... I am interested to know the how's and why's of your going with an iPod Touch and a separate phone. How come you don't just combine the two and go with an iPhone? I don't like the iPhone as a phone. I prefer Nokia for phones, and iPod Touch for other iTunes app features. The N79 has a 5MP autofocus camera with dv stabilization, dual LED flash, Zeiss lens, and video, plus it has two cameras--one on the front and one on the back for video calls; iPhone has much less. Both have GPS. N79 has built-in FM transmitter and FM radio. iPhone has neither. Both have good battery life. iPhone and iTouch have touch screens; N79 doesn't. I can use the N79 very easily as a VOIP phone with several choices; iPhone is just 'learning' how to do this. Nokia has more browser choices than iPhone. iPhone syncs better. iTouch has a bigger display and is amazingly crisp for watching videos. N79 has microSD card slot; iPhone doesn't. iPhone has more memory--a lot, but you can't add any more. I already have home and car chargers for both. I also prefer to separate some functions in two devices instead of one, especially the X6 won't be released until November and the N97 is too expensive. Besides, I like the Touch with its apps and music/video player. Mostly I have to get rid of my awful Sony Ericsson W580 and find something that doesn't have buttons that fall off and gets much better reception. N-series phones are known for their excellent reception, generally better than the iPhone. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
I was going to add, I think UMPC's have been overrun in the public market by either netbooks or the iPod touch. I only see UMPC's in the workplace replacing what would have gone to touchscreen notebooks. I'd examine what you need this for and then see if the iPod touch can suit your needs. Ultimate portability and still a fine device for doing web work/email etc. UMPCs are designed to be used outdoors in the field, not in an office. They're used in manufacturing plants, too [and pretty good for crowded airports while waiting or running to catch a flight. When you're in an office, at home, in a hotel, you have room for a bigger PC or notebook. Netbooks are too big and cumbersome to use in the field, probably too delicate--how good is the quality of a $300 netbook vs a $1000-2500 UMPC? iPod Touch doesn't do as much and doesn't have a modem. It's still faster to type on a real keyboard using two fingers than on a virtual keyboard. Netbooks are good for students and for casual users. The UMPCs are serious computers in tiny packages. iPod Touch is more of an entertainment device. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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What UMPC's do you recommend Betty? dan b_s-wilk wrote: What do you really want/need? An ultra-mobile PC or a small notebook? *That's a very good question and not really sure of the difference. Think a small notebook though. * * The original small hand-held PCs with 4 to 7 inch displays that came out at some 3 or 4 years ago were mostly called ultra-mobile PCs, but in Europe people told me they were netbooks. The UMPCs were great for travel, had WiFi, cellular and regular modems, USB for devices and printing, and could easily fit into a large pocket or small shoulder bag. You probably didn't see [m]any unless you spent a lot of time in airports and foreign cafes, pensions, hostales, albergos, studios, hostels, tabernas, mountains, deserts... However, when the unrelated 8 to 11 inch PCs were released in the ['bigger is better'] US, they were also called netbooks, even though they're almost twice the size as the UMPCs and had fewer features. The larger netbooks are OK, but are often less useful than the smaller ones although are easier for touch typing. UMPCs cost 2 to 5 times as much as a netbook, and are not likely to break when dropped. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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*That's a very good question and not really sure of the difference. Think a small notebook though. * *Randall * What do you really want/need? An ultra-mobile PC or a small notebook? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
What do you really want/need? An ultra-mobile PC or a small notebook? *That's a very good question and not really sure of the difference. Think a small notebook though. * * The original small hand-held PCs with 4 to 7 inch displays that came out at some 3 or 4 years ago were mostly called ultra-mobile PCs, but in Europe people told me they were netbooks. The UMPCs were great for travel, had WiFi, cellular and regular modems, USB for devices and printing, and could easily fit into a large pocket or small shoulder bag. You probably didn't see [m]any unless you spent a lot of time in airports and foreign cafes, pensions, hostales, albergos, studios, hostels, tabernas, mountains, deserts... However, when the unrelated 8 to 11 inch PCs were released in the ['bigger is better'] US, they were also called netbooks, even though they're almost twice the size as the UMPCs and had fewer features. The larger netbooks are OK, but are often less useful than the smaller ones although are easier for touch typing. UMPCs cost 2 to 5 times as much as a netbook, and are not likely to break when dropped. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
Editing a photo does not take near the video ram a video does. Keyboards are keyboards. Want a full size one, plug it in. I can edit photos on my mobile phone. I can surf the 'net on my phone or iPod. Add a keyboard to a netbook and it isn't portable any more [rollups and virtual keyboard, too]. The choice is portable and/or versatile, and cheap vs. expensive quality. Try it before buying. As with choosing any OS, computer, or other device, you define what you need first, they search for devices that fit those needs. Don't look at price first before deciding what you really want. Often, even UMPC or netbook computers that meet your criteria but cost more than the bottom of the barrel models give you a lot more and last longer. What do you really want/need? An ultra-mobile PC or a small notebook? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
Lack of an optical drive for burning DVDs isn't necessarily an obstacle in a 'netbook'. The SD card slot can make up for DVD burner and hard drive or small flash drive. You can save to the SD card the kinds of things you'd normally burn to disk, and your drive space is limited only by the number of SD cards you can afford to buy and carry without losing them. You can burn to DVD, etc. when you get back to your main computer. Most netbooks are hardly replacement notebooks. They're more like very big PDAs--cheaper too. A netbook won't replace your computer if your needs are much more than Internet and basic word processing, maybe touching up or cropping a photo--unless they're full featured UMPCs which often cost more than a regular size PC. Keep the desktop. Save for a real [uncrippled] notebook. interestingthanks On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting Ranbo ran...@gmail.com: But from the responses, guess a netbook can't be a full substitution for a desktop (what I have now) or a laptop, if it doesn't have CD or DVD drives. I was hoping to be able to substitute a laptop (which I don't think I can afford presently) or netbook for a regular Dell desk top, but sounds like netbooks would be more of a supplement. Other than the lack of drives and maybe keyboard size, sounds like it could do most of what I would need, though. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
The first one I installed Fedora on it. I then purchased a second to install Mac OS X. So far no complaints and they work well if you understand the limitations. (Not a gaming platform or heavy graphical machine) They are not laptops; so no mobility. For typical everyday/net experience they work great. Both of mine were obtained for less than $315 including taxes/shipping. I installed a terabyte drive in each nettop so I have lots of space that my other systems can rsync their data. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 04:37:24PM -0400, Reid Katan wrote: Quoting Ranbo ran...@gmail.com: But from the responses, guess a netbook can't be a full substitution for a desktop (what I have now) or a laptop, if it doesn't have CD or DVD drives. I was hoping to be able to substitute a laptop (which I don't think I can afford presently) or netbook for a regular Dell desk top, but sounds like netbooks would be more of a supplement. Other than the lack of drives and maybe keyboard size, sounds like it could do most of what I would need, though. How about a nettop? MSI's got a barebones for $150 at Newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167037cm_re=msi_wind-_-56-167-037-_-Product. Add a drive, a burner, and memory and you're out the door for probably less than $300. I'd bet you have a mouse, keyboard and monitor floating around (maybe even an extra drive and/or burner). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
Even people with smaller hands and slender fingers can have trouble with the small netbook keyboards. I bought an Asus Eee PC, hoping for a portable word processor I could use on the subway or in a car (as a passenger). Learning how to use a keyboard built for hobbits was much harder than I thought it would be. I made a lot of errors when my finger slipped off the tiny key I was intending to hit and contacted an adjacent key instead. Obviously, when you're using a netbook on a Metrobus, a plug-in keyboard is not an option. I have heard of netbooks with keyboards that are slightly larger-- even a little closer to a standard keyboard would be a big help. Recommendations, anyone? --Constance Warner On Sep 22, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It depends on what you want to use it for. As a regular PC/ Notebook it would be a hassle. My Bishop (Who is larger than I am) uses one all the time, loves it. Now I would find it a little cramped, but at work I plug mine in and use a full size keyboard. They are wickedly portable. Just saw a video presentation given today by the local retired sheriff who took one from Alabama to Alaska and back on a motorcycle. Nicely portable. If you travel a lot it would be nice for that. It all depends on what you are looking for. They are really aimed at being ultra portable laptops for those who are on the road a lot. Even the cell companies are getting in on it as they are selling connection plans with them to make them not only ultra portable, but also connected. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
Constance was that a 7 or a 10 one.. I think most of the first Eee PC's were the smaller ones. the 10 ones seem to have a larger keyboard. Stewart At 10:28 AM 9/23/2009, you wrote: Even people with smaller hands and slender fingers can have trouble with the small netbook keyboards. I bought an Asus Eee PC, hoping for a portable word processor I could use on the subway or in a car (as a passenger). Learning how to use a keyboard built for hobbits was much harder than I thought it would be. I made a lot of errors when my finger slipped off the tiny key I was intending to hit and contacted an adjacent key instead. Obviously, when you're using a netbook on a Metrobus, a plug-in keyboard is not an option. I have heard of netbooks with keyboards that are slightly larger-- even a little closer to a standard keyboard would be a big help. Recommendations, anyone? --Constance Warner Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
I am using an ACER right now, with a nine hour battery life. It lets me take notes in a meeting (in which I am currently bored, so I am reading my email and writing back), access my real computer, service my clients, and travel like I never have before. (I started with the 28 pound Osborne, and currently use a 7 pound full size laptop, with paraphernalia.) This three pound (with charger, portable HD, etc.) is a blessing. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Constance Warner Sent: 09/23/2009 11:28 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks Even people with smaller hands and slender fingers can have trouble with the small netbook keyboards. I bought an Asus Eee PC, hoping for a portable word processor I could use on the subway or in a car (as a passenger). Learning how to use a keyboard built for hobbits was much harder than I thought it would be. I made a lot of errors when my finger slipped off the tiny key I was intending to hit and contacted an adjacent key instead. Obviously, when you're using a netbook on a Metrobus, a plug-in keyboard is not an option. I have heard of netbooks with keyboards that are slightly larger-- even a little closer to a standard keyboard would be a big help. Recommendations, anyone? --Constance Warner On Sep 22, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It depends on what you want to use it for. As a regular PC/ Notebook it would be a hassle. My Bishop (Who is larger than I am) uses one all the time, loves it. Now I would find it a little cramped, but at work I plug mine in and use a full size keyboard. They are wickedly portable. Just saw a video presentation given today by the local retired sheriff who took one from Alabama to Alaska and back on a motorcycle. Nicely portable. If you travel a lot it would be nice for that. It all depends on what you are looking for. They are really aimed at being ultra portable laptops for those who are on the road a lot. Even the cell companies are getting in on it as they are selling connection plans with them to make them not only ultra portable, but also connected. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
But from the responses, guess a netbook can't be a full substitution for a desktop (what I have now) or a laptop, if it doesn't have CD or DVD drives. I was hoping to be able to substitute a laptop (which I don't think I can afford presently) or netbook for a regular Dell desk top, but sounds like netbooks would be more of a supplement. Other than the lack of drives and maybe keyboard size, sounds like it could do most of what I would need, though. Randall On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. acker...@astrecg.com wrote: I am using an ACER right now, with a nine hour battery life. It lets me take notes in a meeting (in which I am currently bored, so I am reading my email and writing back), access my real computer, service my clients, and travel like I never have before. (I started with the 28 pound Osborne, and currently use a 7 pound full size laptop, with paraphernalia.) This three pound (with charger, portable HD, etc.) is a blessing. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Constance Warner Sent: 09/23/2009 11:28 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks Even people with smaller hands and slender fingers can have trouble with the small netbook keyboards. I bought an Asus Eee PC, hoping for a portable word processor I could use on the subway or in a car (as a passenger). Learning how to use a keyboard built for hobbits was much harder than I thought it would be. I made a lot of errors when my finger slipped off the tiny key I was intending to hit and contacted an adjacent key instead. Obviously, when you're using a netbook on a Metrobus, a plug-in keyboard is not an option. I have heard of netbooks with keyboards that are slightly larger-- even a little closer to a standard keyboard would be a big help. Recommendations, anyone? --Constance Warner On Sep 22, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It depends on what you want to use it for. As a regular PC/ Notebook it would be a hassle. My Bishop (Who is larger than I am) uses one all the time, loves it. Now I would find it a little cramped, but at work I plug mine in and use a full size keyboard. They are wickedly portable. Just saw a video presentation given today by the local retired sheriff who took one from Alabama to Alaska and back on a motorcycle. Nicely portable. If you travel a lot it would be nice for that. It all depends on what you are looking for. They are really aimed at being ultra portable laptops for those who are on the road a lot. Even the cell companies are getting in on it as they are selling connection plans with them to make them not only ultra portable, but also connected. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
My Eee PC is a 7 one, with the micro-mini keyboard that I thought wouldn't be a problem. When I bought it, I don't think the store had any 10 ones in stock. Later, I went to Micro Center on Rockville Pike to look for other netbooks with easier-to-use keyboards, but they didn't have anything in the price range of the Eee PC. (In fact, there weren't any comparable machines for anywhere near the price or the weight of the Eee PC.) If they had a slightly larger, non-Asus netbook, I might not have bought it, but I certainly would have tried it out for possible purchase at the store later. (In general, if I try it out at the store, I buy it at the store.) Mail-order is a possibility, of course, but after my mistake with the Eee PC child-size keyboard, I'd certainly want to know that the keyboard was significantly larger and/or easier to use. So if there are any of those netbooks I've heard about with slightly larger keyboards, I'd certainly like to know about them. --Constance Warner On Sep 23, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Constance was that a 7 or a 10 one.. I think most of the first Eee PC's were the smaller ones. the 10 ones seem to have a larger keyboard. Stewart At 10:28 AM 9/23/2009, you wrote: Even people with smaller hands and slender fingers can have trouble with the small netbook keyboards. I bought an Asus Eee PC, hoping for a portable word processor I could use on the subway or in a car (as a passenger). Learning how to use a keyboard built for hobbits was much harder than I thought it would be. I made a lot of errors when my finger slipped off the tiny key I was intending to hit and contacted an adjacent key instead. Obviously, when you're using a netbook on a Metrobus, a plug-in keyboard is not an option. I have heard of netbooks with keyboards that are slightly larger-- even a little closer to a standard keyboard would be a big help. Recommendations, anyone? --Constance Warner Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
ACER A0751h $ 345 Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Constance Warner Sent: 09/23/2009 12:33 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks My Eee PC is a 7 one, with the micro-mini keyboard that I thought wouldn't be a problem. When I bought it, I don't think the store had any 10 ones in stock. Later, I went to Micro Center on Rockville Pike to look for other netbooks with easier-to-use keyboards, but they didn't have anything in the price range of the Eee PC. (In fact, there weren't any comparable machines for anywhere near the price or the weight of the Eee PC.) If they had a slightly larger, non-Asus netbook, I might not have bought it, but I certainly would have tried it out for possible purchase at the store later. (In general, if I try it out at the store, I buy it at the store.) Mail-order is a possibility, of course, but after my mistake with the Eee PC child-size keyboard, I'd certainly want to know that the keyboard was significantly larger and/or easier to use. So if there are any of those netbooks I've heard about with slightly larger keyboards, I'd certainly like to know about them. --Constance Warner On Sep 23, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Constance was that a 7 or a 10 one.. I think most of the first Eee PC's were the smaller ones. the 10 ones seem to have a larger keyboard. Stewart At 10:28 AM 9/23/2009, you wrote: Even people with smaller hands and slender fingers can have trouble with the small netbook keyboards. I bought an Asus Eee PC, hoping for a portable word processor I could use on the subway or in a car (as a passenger). Learning how to use a keyboard built for hobbits was much harder than I thought it would be. I made a lot of errors when my finger slipped off the tiny key I was intending to hit and contacted an adjacent key instead. Obviously, when you're using a netbook on a Metrobus, a plug-in keyboard is not an option. I have heard of netbooks with keyboards that are slightly larger-- even a little closer to a standard keyboard would be a big help. Recommendations, anyone? --Constance Warner Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
Dell Mini 10v - $299 (1GB RAM, 160GB HDD, XP) The keyboard is certainly smaller than a standard keyboard, but it's quite usable. ACER A0751h $ 345 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Your bigger Walmart Superstores have had the 10 Acers in stock. You could take a look there and see how the keyboard works. If you ever want to sell the 7 one let me know. Stewart At 11:32 AM 9/23/2009, you wrote: My Eee PC is a 7 one, with the micro-mini keyboard that I thought wouldn't be a problem. When I bought it, I don't think the store had any 10 ones in stock. Later, I went to Micro Center on Rockville Pike to look for other netbooks with easier-to-use keyboards, but they didn't have anything in the price range of the Eee PC. (In fact, there weren't any comparable machines for anywhere near the price or the weight of the Eee PC.) If they had a slightly larger, non-Asus netbook, I might not have bought it, but I certainly would have tried it out for possible purchase at the store later. (In general, if I try it out at the store, I buy it at the store.) Mail-order is a possibility, of course, but after my mistake with the Eee PC child-size keyboard, I'd certainly want to know that the keyboard was significantly larger and/or easier to use. So if there are any of those netbooks I've heard about with slightly larger keyboards, I'd certainly like to know about them. --Constance Warner Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
I also just got an advertisement from Sams Club that they are selling Dell 10 for 299. Stewart At 02:11 PM 9/23/2009, you wrote: Your bigger Walmart Superstores have had the 10 Acers in stock. You could take a look there and see how the keyboard works. If you ever want to sell the 7 one let me know. Stewart At 11:32 AM 9/23/2009, you wrote: My Eee PC is a 7 one, with the micro-mini keyboard that I thought wouldn't be a problem. When I bought it, I don't think the store had any 10 ones in stock. Later, I went to Micro Center on Rockville Pike to look for other netbooks with easier-to-use keyboards, but they didn't have anything in the price range of the Eee PC. (In fact, there weren't any comparable machines for anywhere near the price or the weight of the Eee PC.) If they had a slightly larger, non-Asus netbook, I might not have bought it, but I certainly would have tried it out for possible purchase at the store later. (In general, if I try it out at the store, I buy it at the store.) Mail-order is a possibility, of course, but after my mistake with the Eee PC child-size keyboard, I'd certainly want to know that the keyboard was significantly larger and/or easier to use. So if there are any of those netbooks I've heard about with slightly larger keyboards, I'd certainly like to know about them. --Constance Warner Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:revsamarsh...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
Quoting Ranbo ran...@gmail.com: But from the responses, guess a netbook can't be a full substitution for a desktop (what I have now) or a laptop, if it doesn't have CD or DVD drives. I was hoping to be able to substitute a laptop (which I don't think I can afford presently) or netbook for a regular Dell desk top, but sounds like netbooks would be more of a supplement. Other than the lack of drives and maybe keyboard size, sounds like it could do most of what I would need, though. How about a nettop? MSI's got a barebones for $150 at Newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167037cm_re=msi_wind-_-56-167-037-_-Product. Add a drive, a burner, and memory and you're out the door for probably less than $300. I'd bet you have a mouse, keyboard and monitor floating around (maybe even an extra drive and/or burner). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So if there are any of those netbooks I've heard about with slightly larger keyboards, I'd certainly like to know about them. I hear that. Keyboard ergonomics is VERY important to me. Most non full-sized keyboards I've used have been unsatisfactory for touch typing. I'm pretty fast on a decent keyboard, less so on the notebooks I've used. Much less so, even on the best of the breed, which I consider the Thinkpad T-series to be. Unscientifically, my pinky to thumb tip (spread hand) distance is 8.5 inches. I can just about feel comfortable on a Thinkpad T but it's cramped. Tactile considerations also come into play. Mushy keys don't make it for me. I guess I'm getting old, but I never did get the hang of texting or whatever. If I were you I'd check out the one that Roy mentioned, I've never tried it, though. I'm challenged enough on my laptops to say that a netbook isn't going to do it for me as far as actually being able to type at a reasonable speed. Good luck, just my experience. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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interestingthanks On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting Ranbo ran...@gmail.com: But from the responses, guess a netbook can't be a full substitution for a desktop (what I have now) or a laptop, if it doesn't have CD or DVD drives. I was hoping to be able to substitute a laptop (which I don't think I can afford presently) or netbook for a regular Dell desk top, but sounds like netbooks would be more of a supplement. Other than the lack of drives and maybe keyboard size, sounds like it could do most of what I would need, though. How about a nettop? MSI's got a barebones for $150 at Newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167037cm_re=msi_wind-_-56-167-037-_-Product. Add a drive, a burner, and memory and you're out the door for probably less than $300. I'd bet you have a mouse, keyboard and monitor floating around (maybe even an extra drive and/or burner). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
Power. They are called Netbooks in that their primary function is to surf the net. You can usually run Office, and simple stuff, but they would not be suitable for some games and Video processing. They do not have a CD/DVD, and you must use an external. They have limited memory (If expandable usually max out at 2GB) and may or may not have a physical harddrive (Some have Solid State Drives) Unless they come with the larger battery 2-3 hours tops on battery. Just a simple explanation although probably not complete. Stewart At 07:08 PM 9/22/2009, you wrote: I see some Netbooks at CompUSA for as little as $239, making it much more affordable. What do Netbooks typically lack that Notebooks have? Thanks Randall * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The defining factor is screen size. By definition, netbooks cannot have a screen larger than 10.5 inches. Most models will also lack other stuff like extra memory, fewer/smaller hard drives, no DVD burner, etc. On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Ranbo ran...@gmail.com wrote: I see some Netbooks at CompUSA for as little as $239, making it much more affordable. What do Netbooks typically lack that Notebooks have? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sep 22, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Ranbo wrote: I see some Netbooks at CompUSA for as little as $239, making it much more affordable. What do Netbooks typically lack that Notebooks have? You get what you pay for. If what you want is just basic web and word processing you'll be fine. You may find problems with Flash or AJAX is any computing power is called for. It will not be great for photo editing and other media applications. Think of it like a smart phone with a bigger screen. Some folks hate the keyboards because they are at tad too cramped -- do you have big hands? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I suspect your bias is showing. A lot of the netbooks are quite capable of editing photos. Now Video would be a different deal. Editing a photo does not take near the video ram a video does. Keyboards are keyboards. Want a full size one, plug it in. Stewart At 09:34 PM 9/22/2009, you wrote: On Sep 22, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Ranbo wrote: I see some Netbooks at CompUSA for as little as $239, making it much more affordable. What do Netbooks typically lack that Notebooks have? You get what you pay for. If what you want is just basic web and word processing you'll be fine. You may find problems with Flash or AJAX is any computing power is called for. It will not be great for photo editing and other media applications. Think of it like a smart phone with a bigger screen. Some folks hate the keyboards because they are at tad too cramped -- do you have big hands? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Big enough, I guess, to maybe be cramped, given I'm used to a full-size keyboard. Thanks for the explanations On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Ranbo wrote: I see some Netbooks at CompUSA for as little as $239, making it much more affordable. What do Netbooks typically lack that Notebooks have? You get what you pay for. If what you want is just basic web and word processing you'll be fine. You may find problems with Flash or AJAX is any computing power is called for. It will not be great for photo editing and other media applications. Think of it like a smart phone with a bigger screen. Some folks hate the keyboards because they are at tad too cramped -- do you have big hands? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
It depends on what you want to use it for. As a regular PC/Notebook it would be a hassle. My Bishop (Who is larger than I am) uses one all the time, loves it. Now I would find it a little cramped, but at work I plug mine in and use a full size keyboard. They are wickedly portable. Just saw a video presentation given today by the local retired sheriff who took one from Alabama to Alaska and back on a motorcycle. Nicely portable. If you travel a lot it would be nice for that. It all depends on what you are looking for. They are really aimed at being ultra portable laptops for those who are on the road a lot. Even the cell companies are getting in on it as they are selling connection plans with them to make them not only ultra portable, but also connected. Stewart At 10:23 PM 9/22/2009, you wrote: Big enough, I guess, to maybe be cramped, given I'm used to a full-size keyboard. Thanks for the explanations On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Ranbo wrote: I see some Netbooks at CompUSA for as little as $239, making it much more affordable. What do Netbooks typically lack that Notebooks have? You get what you pay for. If what you want is just basic web and word processing you'll be fine. You may find problems with Flash or AJAX is any computing power is called for. It will not be great for photo editing and other media applications. Think of it like a smart phone with a bigger screen. Some folks hate the keyboards because they are at tad too cramped -- do you have big hands? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
