Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)
It all depends. In the latest release of Eudora actually done by Eudora, they turn into icons. The Icons actually let you know there is something else there. Otherwise I have a hard time deciphering all the punctuation marks, and it reminds me of reading Hebrew! Stewart At 10:23 AM 7/29/2008, you wrote: Does anyone else find Smileys to be insulting? I mean, a little :-) at the end of a comment to explain that you meant it humorously/ironically/sarcastically implies the recipient isn't capable of getting the joke in the first place. Or maybe I should just switch to decaf today... ;-) __ Michel David Lowe Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)
At 11:23 AM -0400 7/29/08, Michel Lowe wrote: Does anyone else find Smileys to be insulting? I mean, a little :-) at the end of a comment to explain that you meant it humorously/ironically/sarcastically implies the recipient isn't capable of getting the joke in the first place. Or maybe I should just switch to decaf today... ;-) Since getting the joke is in the eye of the beholder, and not guaranteed, that's why smileys (or emoticons) were invented in the first place. One's innocent little jibe might be misinterpreted by a reader who had not switched to decaf that day. ;-) I, for one, don't find them insulting. I had never thought of them that way until you just brought it up... paranoia hmm, what did they really mean by that??? /paranoia :-) -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)
The problem is that often there just isn't enough context to realize that the person is trying to be humorous/ironic/sarcastic. In traditional print, you'd have lots and lots of written words to realize this. In realspace, you can judge the body language of the person making the statement. In brief email exchanges, sometimes you need substitutes for those cues - and thats the purpose of the smiley. I don't think the assumption is that the person won't get the joke... its to make sure that people realize it _is_ a joke. On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:23:38AM -0400, Michel Lowe wrote: Does anyone else find Smileys to be insulting? I mean, a little :-) at the end of a comment to explain that you meant it humorously/ironically/sarcastically implies the recipient isn't capable of getting the joke in the first place. Or maybe I should just switch to decaf today... ;-) __ Michel David Lowe -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:COMPUTERGUYS- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:49 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio? But there's a difference between mentioning problems and taking random, gratuitous potshots. Should it be my problem that some folks have no sense of humor? Should we all be required to dial down to low level gloom to accomodate the most morose among us? Should we be denied a good laugh at the folly of the ultra rich? I think not! P.S. I don't do smileys. Smileys are depressing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)
The problem is that often there just isn't enough context to realize that the person is trying to be humorous/ironic/sarcastic. In traditional print, you'd have lots and lots of written words to realize this. In realspace, you can judge the body language of the person making the statement. In brief email exchanges, sometimes you need substitutes for those cues - and thats the purpose of the smiley. I don't think the assumption is that the person won't get the joke... its to make sure that people realize it _is_ a joke. Yes, I think this is exactly right. Email, forums, listserv posts, IMs, and the like lack the cues and/or the space to ensure that the reader knows you're joking. I resisted emoticons for many years before I came (somewhat reluctantly) to this conclusion. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The problem is that often there just isn't enough context to realize that the person is trying to be humorous/ironic/sarcastic. In Yes, I think this is exactly right. Email, forums, listserv posts, IMs, and the like lack the cues and/or the space to ensure that the reader knows you're joking. I resisted emoticons for many years before I came (somewhat reluctantly) to this conclusion. I mostly resisted emoticons because of the need to memorize them and their interpretations. So for years I did things like this: wink, grin, rant mode onrant mode off. I still prefer that approach, but no one likes to type any more. Agree that icons make it a little easier, but they go overboard, too - what does the smiley face with a hat on at a rakish angle mean about the text just preceeding it? angry old curmudgeon mode off -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 02:38:09PM -0400, John DeCarlo wrote: Agree that icons make it a little easier, but they go overboard, too - what does the smiley face with a hat on at a rakish angle mean about the text just preceeding it? That the author is trying, and failing, to be cute. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)
Does anyone else find Smileys to be insulting? I mean, a little :-) at the end of a comment to explain that you meant it humorously/ironically/sarcastically implies the recipient isn't capable of getting the joke in the first place. Or maybe I should just switch to decaf today... ;-) Yep, you should switch. Smiley's don't bother me at all. It's way too easy to misread someone's intent when they are using 'dry' humor ,etc, because you can't see their body language. The smiley's do help keep the intent clear. Paula US/IN raven880atindy.net I'm now at the age where I've got to prove that I'm just as good as I never was.Rex Harrison * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
